What's up with the new video system? Like... it's really bad. I haven't talked to anyone who likes the changes. There is a delay of up to 60 seconds now on my stream where there used to be 5-10. I can't interact with my viewers anymore, and it's frustrating. For a small stream like my own, one-on-one, conversational viewer interaction is the only thing keeping things alive when I'm doing things like surf/jumping. I can't answer questions, talk to new people, or do anything really.
My stream had just started picking up, averaging 7-15 people watching my scrims and pugs, and it was a lot of fun. Now I'm lucky to get 4, and chat is always dead. It's pretty lame, honestly.
Can someone direct me to a source as to why they changed it or something? Is it problems with bandwidth or what? I really don't want the small little community of friends in twitch chat I've built up over the past few months to die out. Like, I'd be incredible upset if that happened.
I'm sure other small streamers would agree.
What's up with the new video system? Like... it's really bad. I haven't talked to anyone who likes the changes. There is a delay of up to 60 seconds now on my stream where there used to be 5-10. I can't interact with my viewers anymore, and it's frustrating. For a small stream like my own, one-on-one, conversational viewer interaction is the only thing keeping things alive when I'm doing things like surf/jumping. I can't answer questions, talk to new people, or do anything really.
My stream had just started picking up, averaging 7-15 people watching my scrims and pugs, and it was a lot of fun. Now I'm lucky to get 4, and chat is always dead. It's pretty lame, honestly.
Can someone direct me to a source as to why they changed it or something? Is it problems with bandwidth or what? I really don't want the small little community of friends in twitch chat I've built up over the past few months to die out. Like, I'd be incredible upset if that happened.
I'm sure other small streamers would agree.
watching dellor right now, noticing the same thing is happening, just thought it was my bad internet.
watching dellor right now, noticing the same thing is happening, just thought it was my bad internet.
http://blog.twitch.tv/2013/12/service-update-major-video-system-update-and-prague-is-online/
too bad the video buffers for like 10 seconds every three minutes
im so glad that 20mbps both ways isnt enough to watch a medium stream for longer than a minute without buffering
im so glad that 20mbps both ways isnt enough to watch a medium stream for longer than a minute without buffering
Mangachuhttp://blog.twitch.tv/2013/12/service-update-major-video-system-update-and-prague-is-online/
too bad the video buffers for like 10 seconds every three minutes
I stream at just-above-garbage-pail quality, so I haven't had a huge problem with buffering. Watching HD streams is rough, though. I wouldn't even have that big a problem if the buffer actually worked, but it doesn't even do anything on my side though. It just freezes the stream with the circle loading thing, then after it buffers for a few seconds, it'll play the video for a bit, skip a few seconds and have to buffer again.
[quote=Mangachu]http://blog.twitch.tv/2013/12/service-update-major-video-system-update-and-prague-is-online/
too bad the video buffers for like 10 seconds every three minutes[/quote]
I stream at just-above-garbage-pail quality, so I haven't had a huge problem with buffering. Watching HD streams is rough, though. I wouldn't even have that big a problem if the buffer actually worked, but it doesn't even do anything on my side though. It just freezes the stream with the circle loading thing, then after it buffers for a few seconds, it'll play the video for a bit, skip a few seconds and have to buffer again.
I hate the delay just as much as everyone else, but one positive thing that I've noticed is that viewers tend to receive the content at approximately the same time. Before, people would receive it at varying times based on their internet speed. Now, the entire chat blows up at the same time which is kind of cool.
But yeah the viewer-chat interaction has been killed off to a certain extent. I feel like it encourages streamers to put on more of a "show" for viewers rather than making the stream about just interacting with a player.
I hate the delay just as much as everyone else, but one positive thing that I've noticed is that viewers tend to receive the content at approximately the same time. Before, people would receive it at varying times based on their internet speed. Now, the entire chat blows up at the same time which is kind of cool.
But yeah the viewer-chat interaction has been killed off to a certain extent. I feel like it encourages streamers to put on more of a "show" for viewers rather than making the stream about just interacting with a player.
MR_SLINI hate the delay just as much as everyone else, but one positive thing that I've noticed is that viewers tend to receive the content at approximately the same time. Before, people would receive it at varying times based on their internet speed. Now, the entire chat blows up at the same time which is kind of cool.
But yeah the viewer-chat interaction has been killed off to a certain extent. I feel like it encourages streamers to put on more of a "show" for viewers rather than making the stream about just interacting with a player.
I dunno. Very rarely do I watch a stream just to witness a "show". Especially for TF2. While people are occasionally I'll watch a match or invite scrim where the streamer doesn't read chat at all, but that's not very often for me, and I'm sure people can relate. Regardless, people were able to put on a show before. The stream viewers being a couple seconds apart doesn't affect that all that much.
I guess part of this opinion comes from me being less of a talented TF2 player and more of just a silly nerd that likes to talk to his chat. That's why I started streaming, at least.
[quote=MR_SLIN]I hate the delay just as much as everyone else, but one positive thing that I've noticed is that viewers tend to receive the content at approximately the same time. Before, people would receive it at varying times based on their internet speed. Now, the entire chat blows up at the same time which is kind of cool.
But yeah the viewer-chat interaction has been killed off to a certain extent. I feel like it encourages streamers to put on more of a "show" for viewers rather than making the stream about just interacting with a player.[/quote]
I dunno. Very rarely do I watch a stream just to witness a "show". Especially for TF2. While people are occasionally I'll watch a match or invite scrim where the streamer doesn't read chat at all, but that's not very often for me, and I'm sure people can relate. Regardless, people were able to put on a show before. The stream viewers being a couple seconds apart doesn't affect that all that much.
I guess part of this opinion comes from me being less of a talented TF2 player and more of just a silly nerd that likes to talk to his chat. That's why I started streaming, at least.
Oh same for me too for sure. I've always figured that if I'm just going to watch a show, it might as well be YouTube. Although for the casted events it is kind of nice to watch it live with the chat -- it's like watching a movie with your friends.
Except they're not your friends, they're strangers. Oh and it's a lot of spam. And nothing meaningful is said.
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Oh same for me too for sure. I've always figured that if I'm just going to watch a show, it might as well be YouTube. Although for the casted events it is kind of nice to watch it live with the chat -- it's like watching a movie with your friends.
Except they're not your friends, they're strangers. Oh and it's a lot of spam. And nothing meaningful is said.
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twitchOne of the design process decisions we made upfront with the new video system was to initially value quality and stability of video playback over hand wave latency (i.e., the difference in time between when the broadcaster waves and when the viewer sees it). With the initial release of the unified video system, we’ve increased the latency by multiple seconds to make sure that we’re delivering smooth video.
it does say "initially" so hopefully this is something they can dial back once they are satisfied that the rollout hasn't broken everything completely
[quote=twitch]One of the design process decisions we made upfront with the new video system was to initially value quality and stability of video playback over hand wave latency (i.e., the difference in time between when the broadcaster waves and when the viewer sees it). With the initial release of the unified video system, we’ve increased the latency by multiple seconds to make sure that we’re delivering smooth video.[/quote]
it does say "initially" so hopefully this is something they can dial back once they are satisfied that the rollout hasn't broken everything completely
Most recently, we upgraded our Amsterdam point of presence (POP), increasing its capacity by 200%. Also, in an effort to provide better coverage for our European users, we recently completed a new POP in Prague, CZ. Our Prague POP will be open to broadcasting very soon, possibly as soon as Saturday!
Does providing better coverage for Europe mean making it almost universally worse? I have 8mb/s down in the UK and I was lagging on "Low" on several streams. I know one guy in Estonia with 50/50 fibre and he couldn't watch any streams at all since last weekend.
[quote]Most recently, we upgraded our Amsterdam point of presence (POP), increasing its capacity by 200%. Also, in an effort to provide better coverage for our European users, we recently completed a new POP in Prague, CZ. Our Prague POP will be open to broadcasting very soon, possibly as soon as Saturday![/quote]
Does providing better coverage for Europe mean making it almost universally worse? I have 8mb/s down in the UK and I was lagging on "Low" on several streams. I know one guy in Estonia with 50/50 fibre and he couldn't watch any streams at all since last weekend.
Aside from the chat delay has anyone else noticed how Twitch got worse over the past one or two months? I now can't watch a single stream without buffering (except the big ones with thousands of viewers) even though I'm on a fast connection. And watching Vods is now taking even longer for the video to start :(
Aside from the chat delay has anyone else noticed how Twitch got worse over the past one or two months? I now can't watch a single stream without buffering (except the big ones with thousands of viewers) even though I'm on a fast connection. And watching Vods is now taking even longer for the video to start :(
Yup, twitch has expanded like crazy recently (already integrated into PS4, minecraft, path of exile, and coming to xbone soon) and their infrastructure hasn't really kept up. I doubt it's going to get much better any time soon, but who knows how these new video changes will actually affect things.
Yup, twitch has expanded like crazy recently (already integrated into PS4, minecraft, path of exile, and coming to xbone soon) and their infrastructure hasn't really kept up. I doubt it's going to get much better any time soon, but who knows how these new video changes will actually affect things.
To be perfectly honest the plugin that r1ch made has been working perfectly for me and I've not been lagging at all on twitch. I have 60 down and before I installed it I couldn't watch anything without major lag, I'd recommend to everyone try it. It's also nice to see the bitrate of the stream on each quality available.
To be perfectly honest the plugin that r1ch made has been working perfectly for me and I've not been lagging at all on twitch. I have 60 down and before I installed it I couldn't watch anything without major lag, I'd recommend to everyone try it. It's also nice to see the bitrate of the stream on each quality available.
I assume you're talking about this, sadly it probably won't do anything for those of us in the US that still get laggy twitch all the time
I assume you're talking about [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=434208]this[/url], sadly it probably won't do anything for those of us in the US that still get laggy twitch all the time
This update has screwed with saltybet bigtime :/
This update has screwed with saltybet bigtime :/
erkstonI assume you're talking about this, sadly it probably won't do anything for those of us in the US that still get laggy twitch all the time
Works for me. :)
[quote=erkston]I assume you're talking about [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=434208]this[/url], sadly it probably won't do anything for those of us in the US that still get laggy twitch all the time[/quote]
Works for me. :)
http://themittani.com/news/twitchtv-rolls-out-new-streaming-system
The android app has completely broken for me as well recently, it crashes every time I load a stream
The android app has completely broken for me as well recently, it crashes every time I load a stream
YawnyThe android app has completely broken for me as well recently, it crashes every time I load a stream
I've been experiencing this issue too
[quote=Yawny]The android app has completely broken for me as well recently, it crashes every time I load a stream[/quote] I've been experiencing this issue too
i know the chat delay probably blows for a lot of people, but not having to buffer every 5 seconds because of twitch choking on itself is very nice for me.
fuck the android app in every way though. half of the time it crashes on a stream, half of the time it starts loading a stream and just gives me a black void to stare into with the loading icon gone. the only stream i'm following that actually loads for me on a regular basis is kripp's
i know the chat delay probably blows for a lot of people, but not having to buffer every 5 seconds because of twitch choking on itself is very nice for me.
fuck the android app in every way though. half of the time it crashes on a stream, half of the time it starts loading a stream and just gives me a black void to stare into with the loading icon gone. the only stream i'm following that actually loads for me on a regular basis is kripp's
djci know the chat delay probably blows for a lot of people, but not having to buffer every 5 seconds because of twitch choking on itself is very nice for me.
I guess it's nice in that regard, but maybe that could be an option for you/others like you. not the default/ only way. I personally prefer a little stutter here and there if I can chat with the steamer.
idunno
[quote=djc]i know the chat delay probably blows for a lot of people, but not having to buffer every 5 seconds because of twitch choking on itself is very nice for me.[/quote]
I guess it's nice in that regard, but maybe that could be an option for you/others like you. not the default/ only way. I personally prefer a little stutter here and there if I can chat with the steamer.
idunno