Since the idea of donating money to LAN teams seems to be losing interest and create arguments within the community, why not create a donation fund to send casters to the next LAN instead?
From what I remember, ESEA would like to have TF2 casted on-site but they don't want to cover the travel costs of the casters. So in the interest of the community and creating a bigger viewership, why not send two of our casters to the next LAN and have TF2 properly promoted (live updates about matches, team/individual interviews, etc)? That way, future LAN's might benefit from more support from the league (maybe attracting sponsors if implemented efficiently by ESEA).
Thoughts? Might sound like a dumb idea at first, but I think with the proper support of the community this could possibly work really well in our advantage.
Since the idea of donating money to LAN teams seems to be losing interest and create arguments within the community, why not create a donation fund to send casters to the next LAN instead?
From what I remember, ESEA would like to have TF2 casted on-site but they don't want to cover the travel costs of the casters. So in the interest of the community and creating a bigger viewership, why not send two of our casters to the next LAN and have TF2 properly promoted (live updates about matches, team/individual interviews, etc)? That way, future LAN's might benefit from more support from the league (maybe attracting sponsors if implemented efficiently by ESEA).
Thoughts? Might sound like a dumb idea at first, but I think with the proper support of the community this could possibly work really well in our advantage.
hell yeah man totally #renegadeLANcast
hell yeah man totally #renegadeLANcast
Hardest part would probably be confirming the casters people want to send are available so far in advance.
Regardless, its worth a shot.
Hardest part would probably be confirming the casters people want to send are available so far in advance.
Regardless, its worth a shot.
the casters do already get paid by ESEA (almost enough to cover the costs of flights)
I think the problem is that there isn't enough of a benefit to having the casters on location that warrants having to deal with setup/logistics on site
the casters [i]do[/i] already get paid by ESEA (almost enough to cover the costs of flights)
I think the problem is that there isn't enough of a benefit to having the casters on location that warrants having to deal with setup/logistics on site
enigmathe casters do already get paid by ESEA (almost enough to cover the costs of flights)
I think the problem is that there isn't enough of a benefit to having the casters on location that warrants having to deal with setup/logistics on site
I see, I was just thinking it's more beneficial overall for the community (not that beneficial for ESEA) to re-direct those donation money to the casters instead of the teams.
Makes sense that it's a hassle to set all of this up, I remember how much production went into the CS:GO casting last LAN.
[quote=enigma]the casters [i]do[/i] already get paid by ESEA (almost enough to cover the costs of flights)
I think the problem is that there isn't enough of a benefit to having the casters on location that warrants having to deal with setup/logistics on site[/quote]
I see, I was just thinking it's more beneficial overall for the community (not that beneficial for ESEA) to re-direct those donation money to the casters instead of the teams.
Makes sense that it's a hassle to set all of this up, I remember how much production went into the CS:GO casting last LAN.
I think having casters there would only make sense if there were more of an on-site spectator presence like the Insomnia LAN.
I think having casters there would only make sense if there were more of an on-site spectator presence like the Insomnia LAN.
Honestly, I doubt having on-site casters could really do much beyond providing live interviews for between matches.
If we wanna throw resources into things, we'd get a much bigger bang for our bucks out of creating content for BETWEEN games beyond truk-truk's excellent taste in music and Disney show tunes (;P)
Most of the viewer count drops occur when there's 30-45 minutes between LAN matches.
If we could fill that time with something cool (even just old frag videos, show matches, surfing races, old shade interviews, skype interviews, or ANYTHING other than a locked screen) we'd have a much better LAN program in general.
Obviously live events would be harder to plan because you never know when you're gonna have to use the whole block of time assigned to a bo3 because of great matches or computer problems. But still *something* should be inserted there.
Honestly, I doubt having on-site casters could really do much beyond providing live interviews for between matches.
If we wanna throw resources into things, we'd get a much bigger bang for our bucks out of creating content for BETWEEN games beyond truk-truk's excellent taste in music and Disney show tunes (;P)
Most of the viewer count drops occur when there's 30-45 minutes between LAN matches.
If we could fill that time with something cool (even just old frag videos, show matches, surfing races, old shade interviews, skype interviews, or ANYTHING other than a locked screen) we'd have a much better LAN program in general.
Obviously live events would be harder to plan because you never know when you're gonna have to use the whole block of time assigned to a bo3 because of great matches or computer problems. But still *something* should be inserted there.
Marxist I've seen ESL casts and when in CSGO a pause happens, casters wait around 3/4 minutes talking about the game. If they see it's gonna take a long time they "go to a comercial break" and play music till they unpause.
Although I do like your idea of filling the "dead time" with something to watch.
Marxist I've seen ESL casts and when in CSGO a pause happens, casters wait around 3/4 minutes talking about the game. If they see it's gonna take a long time they "go to a comercial break" and play music till they unpause.
Although I do like your idea of filling the "dead time" with something to watch.
I watch a ton of Sc2, and they mostly do the same thing but there we're talking like a maximal wait for 10-15 minutes - which music is fine for because people have other things they can do or drinks to get, but 30-45 minutes of music and title card will surely cause a viewer hemorrhage - and I think it did this LAN since we were pretty low compared to what we usually get.
I watch a ton of Sc2, and they mostly do the same thing but there we're talking like a maximal wait for 10-15 minutes - which music is fine for because people have other things they can do or drinks to get, but 30-45 minutes of music and title card will surely cause a viewer hemorrhage - and I think it did this LAN since we were pretty low compared to what we usually get.
If there is on-site casting in association with ESEA, ESEA should be funding the cost of the caster's travel and accomodation. Simple as that.
I was willing to do that in the past and volunteer my time while there, but ESEA should also be compensating the casters financially for their time.
If there is on-site casting in association with ESEA, ESEA should be funding the cost of the caster's travel and accomodation. Simple as that.
I was willing to do that in the past and volunteer my time while there, but ESEA should also be compensating the casters financially for their time.
Instead of casters on-site, what about having a emcee and a sideline reporter or two?
The emcee can be somebody who can provide background info on upcoming matches, recap completed matches and generally be a on-air personality to keep viewers engaged. While the sideline reporter can roam with a wireless mic setup and find people to interview, or when pauses happen get a quick word in with a player to see what's going on.
Add in a on-site producer to make sure it doesn't fly off the rails and you have a fully-functional broadcast component, which if it breaks doesn't break the cast in the process (presuming you rely on a off-site streamer as has been the case the past few LANs).
Instead of casters on-site, what about having a emcee and a sideline reporter or two?
The emcee can be somebody who can provide background info on upcoming matches, recap completed matches and generally be a on-air personality to keep viewers engaged. While the sideline reporter can roam with a wireless mic setup and find people to interview, or when pauses happen get a quick word in with a player to see what's going on.
Add in a on-site producer to make sure it doesn't fly off the rails and you have a fully-functional broadcast component, which if it breaks doesn't break the cast in the process (presuming you rely on a off-site streamer as has been the case the past few LANs).
renxzenMrPoT4tOAlthough I do like your idea of filling the "dead time" with something to watch.
Why not repetitions like in soccer?
"lets see that 4k again, ohh look at that" "yeah i think if x was here instead of here he would have been denied" "yeah but he wanted to pick that demo and then bla bla bla" "yeah interesting" "interessting interestngignsngingi"
As much as I would love for this to be a thing, I don't think that it would be possible while the game is happening.
Yes, you CAN do it through STV, but you would need the demo first - meaning the match needs to be over and the STV needs to be uploaded. Can't forget that you would need to skip to the ticks where it happened, etc etc.
It would be pretty neat, though - cause some players doing the camera-work don't catch what the casters are looking at (though truk is somehow amazing at catching everything.)
[quote=renxzen][quote=MrPoT4tO]Although I do like your idea of filling the "dead time" with something to watch.[/quote]
Why not repetitions like in soccer?
"lets see that 4k again, ohh look at that" "yeah i think if x was here instead of here he would have been denied" "yeah but he wanted to pick that demo and then bla bla bla" "yeah interesting" "interessting interestngignsngingi"[/quote]
As much as I would love for this to be a thing, I don't think that it would be possible while the game is happening.
Yes, you CAN do it through STV, but you would need the demo first - meaning the match needs to be over and the STV needs to be uploaded. Can't forget that you would need to skip to the ticks where it happened, etc etc.
It would be pretty neat, though - cause some players doing the camera-work don't catch what the casters are looking at (though truk is somehow amazing at catching everything.)
renxzenMrPoT4tOAlthough I do like your idea of filling the "dead time" with something to watch.
Why not repetitions like in soccer?
"lets see that 4k again, ohh look at that" "yeah i think if x was here instead of here he would have been denied" "yeah but he wanted to pick that demo and then bla bla bla" "yeah interesting" "interessting interestngignsngingi"
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[quote=renxzen][quote=MrPoT4tO]Although I do like your idea of filling the "dead time" with something to watch.[/quote]
Why not repetitions like in soccer?
"lets see that 4k again, ohh look at that" "yeah i think if x was here instead of here he would have been denied" "yeah but he wanted to pick that demo and then bla bla bla" "yeah interesting" "interessting interestngignsngingi"[/quote]
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dashnerLKincheloeInstead of casters on-site, what about having a emcee and a sideline reporter or two?
The emcee can be somebody who can provide background info on upcoming matches, recap completed matches and generally be a on-air personality to keep viewers engaged. While the sideline reporter can roam with a wireless mic setup and find people to interview, or when pauses happen get a quick word in with a player to see what's going on.
Add in a on-site producer to make sure it doesn't fly off the rails and you have a fully-functional broadcast component, which if it breaks doesn't break the cast in the process (presuming you rely on a off-site streamer as has been the case the past few LANs).
I think Lange did this one year when MGE was casting and flew down there to be on-site. My general feeling was it was something that was neat to have but didn't really revolutionize the cast.
Salamancer also did it in S11 I believe.
[quote=dashner][quote=LKincheloe]Instead of casters on-site, what about having a emcee and a sideline reporter or two?
The emcee can be somebody who can provide background info on upcoming matches, recap completed matches and generally be a on-air personality to keep viewers engaged. While the sideline reporter can roam with a wireless mic setup and find people to interview, or when pauses happen get a quick word in with a player to see what's going on.
Add in a on-site producer to make sure it doesn't fly off the rails and you have a fully-functional broadcast component, which if it breaks doesn't break the cast in the process (presuming you rely on a off-site streamer as has been the case the past few LANs).[/quote]
I think Lange did this one year when MGE was casting and flew down there to be on-site. My general feeling was it was something that was neat to have but didn't really revolutionize the cast.[/quote]
Salamancer also did it in S11 I believe.
Could players who don't have a match cast? I don't know what other players do during matches and I'm assuming they use this time to go eat and whatever but maybe 2 of them would be willing to cast for a few extra dollars?
Could players who don't have a match cast? I don't know what other players do during matches and I'm assuming they use this time to go eat and whatever but maybe 2 of them would be willing to cast for a few extra dollars?
eXtineIf there is on-site casting in association with ESEA, ESEA should be funding the cost of the caster's travel and accomodation. Simple as that.
I was willing to do that in the past and volunteer my time while there, but ESEA should also be compensating the casters financially for their time.
It would be awesome though if there was a live (21+) stream/cast event in Portland for major tourneys. Maybe Burnsiders could make this happen in the future? I'd go.
Edit: Even BYOB...
[quote=eXtine]If there is on-site casting in association with ESEA, ESEA should be funding the cost of the caster's travel and accomodation. Simple as that.
I was willing to do that in the past and volunteer my time while there, but ESEA should also be compensating the casters financially for their time.[/quote]
It would be awesome though if there was a live (21+) stream/cast event in Portland for major tourneys. Maybe Burnsiders could make this happen in the future? I'd go.
Edit: Even BYOB...
You mean, I could potentially go to a LAN?
You mean, I could potentially go to a LAN?
TomSkirrettIt would be awesome though if there was a live (21+) stream/cast event in Portland for major tourneys. Maybe Burnsiders could make this happen in the future? I'd go.
Edit: Even BYOB...
Wow, I literally lol'd. We're actually making plans to do just that. I have a contact at Lagunitas, just gotta get him lined up with Free Geek's info and we're gtg with a beer donation.
We might be able to get 12 steam boXes (built by Free Geek) with steam controllers (from Valve?). That'd be ideal so we have systems people can use, and well, if it was all on steam controller it might be lolzly but it'd definitely be hype.
Very eXcited bout the prospects. Would be casted to the internet in front of a live crowd watching the players live.
[quote=TomSkirrett]It would be awesome though if there was a live (21+) stream/cast event in Portland for major tourneys. Maybe Burnsiders could make this happen in the future? I'd go.
Edit: Even BYOB...[/quote]
Wow, I literally lol'd. We're actually making plans to do just that. I have a contact at Lagunitas, just gotta get him lined up with Free Geek's info and we're gtg with a beer donation.
We might be able to get 12 steam boXes (built by Free Geek) with steam controllers (from Valve?). That'd be ideal so we have systems people can use, and well, if it was all on steam controller it might be lolzly but it'd definitely be hype.
Very eXcited bout the prospects. Would be casted to the internet in front of a live crowd watching the players live.
eXtine, you are a true legend.
eXtine, you are a true legend.
If I remember correctly during some stages of i49 the casters jumped into the teams respective mumbles for a minute or two mid-game. Obviously swearing is an issue but that was a really cool thing that I thought was fantastic for people who've never played TF2.
Maybe something like that could make happen?
If I remember correctly during some stages of i49 the casters jumped into the teams respective mumbles for a minute or two mid-game. Obviously swearing is an issue but that was a really cool thing that I thought was fantastic for people who've never played TF2.
Maybe something like that could make happen?
i honestly dont see the point in on scene casting but its just my opinion
i honestly dont see the point in on scene casting but its just my opinion