i think the most worrying thing about this is the fact that people actually take a debate about creationism being real seriously
Bill Nye/Ken Ham religion debate
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i think the most worrying thing about this is the fact that people actually take a debate about creationism being real seriously
marmadukeGRYLLSalthough im not religious at all, i used to be and went to catholic school for 10 years. i always thought of the bible as a book of life lessons (mixed in with some crazy ass sexism/homoeroticism/other weird shit) and shouldn't be taken literally.
if you think some dude got eaten by a whale and just chilled in his stomach for a while then came back home...holy shit.
but, there are those extremists out there who think 1 guy ate an apple because his girlfriend persuaded him to after being convinced it was a good idea by a talking snake and doomed all of humanity. they won't be convinced the earth isn't 2000 years old, so why bother. let them be comforted by their intentional ignorance if that's how they choose to get through life; no point in wasting time on them.
the problem becomes apparent when these people vote based on their ignorance
[quote=marmadukeGRYLLS]although im not religious at all, i used to be and went to catholic school for 10 years. i always thought of the bible as a book of life lessons (mixed in with some crazy ass sexism/homoeroticism/other weird shit) and shouldn't be taken literally.
if you think some dude got eaten by a whale and just chilled in his stomach for a while then came back home...holy shit.
but, there are those extremists out there who think 1 guy ate an apple because his girlfriend persuaded him to after being convinced it was a good idea by a talking snake and doomed all of humanity. they won't be convinced the earth isn't 2000 years old, so why bother. let them be comforted by their intentional ignorance if that's how they choose to get through life; no point in wasting time on them.[/quote]
the problem becomes apparent when these people vote based on their ignorance
if you think some dude got eaten by a whale and just chilled in his stomach for a while then came back home...holy shit.
but, there are those extremists out there who think 1 guy ate an apple because his girlfriend persuaded him to after being convinced it was a good idea by a talking snake and doomed all of humanity. they won't be convinced the earth isn't 2000 years old, so why bother. let them be comforted by their intentional ignorance if that's how they choose to get through life; no point in wasting time on them.[/quote]
the problem becomes apparent when these people vote based on their ignorance
I'm glad he used the telephone argument. I'm not glad Ken Ham doesn't seem to understand the truth behind it.
I'm glad he used the telephone argument. I'm not glad Ken Ham doesn't seem to understand the truth behind it.
tehh4ck3ri think the most worrying thing about this is the fact that people actually take a debate about creationism being real seriously
Most of the American population would agree with you but for the opposite reason
[quote=tehh4ck3r]i think the most worrying thing about this is the fact that people actually take a debate about creationism being real seriously[/quote]
Most of the American population would agree with you but for the opposite reason
Most of the American population would agree with you but for the opposite reason
“One of the truly bad effects of religion is that it teaches us that it is a virtue to be satisfied with not understanding.”
“One of the truly bad effects of religion is that it teaches us that it is a virtue to be satisfied with not understanding.”
bill nye's wife has a restraining order on him what cold u posbile y learn from listening 2 him i know its col 2 be athiest on the internet but ur gonna realize how much god has done for u and i ope u cry
bill nye's wife has a restraining order on him what cold u posbile y learn from listening 2 him i know its col 2 be athiest on the internet but ur gonna realize how much god has done for u and i ope u cry
It was Bill Nye who tried to get a restraining order against her, for trying to poison him or something. Not that there is any point responding to an obvious troll attempt.
It was Bill Nye who tried to get a restraining order against her, for trying to poison him or something. Not that there is any point responding to an obvious troll attempt.
BobWear
Is it possible that both Bill Nye and Ken Ham could both be right. Maybe the earth appears or is actually millions or billions of years old, yet, God produced the earth in 7 days by fast forwarding the natural processes and time?
This would explain how life existed before man and why there are layers of earth with different types of ancient fossils. In Genesis God commands the animals to breed, why didn't He just create an earth fully populated with animals? How could the earth be full of animals in just a few days before man came on the scene unless God fast forwarded the natural processes?
It would be impossible for animals to reproduce in such a short period of time and fill the whole earth unless God fast forwarded time.
When Jesus did the miracle of making wine from water he spoke and caused the water to turn into wine. If you started with grapes to ferment this process would take several years to make great tasting wine. Therefore he has the capacity to speed up processes or just do the miraculous in short periods of time.
Jesus’s disciples said that He did so many miracles that they all could not even be written down.Most of the 12 disciples died terrible deaths because they believed what they saw with their eyes and saw the risen Christ.
wat
[quote]BobWear
Is it possible that both Bill Nye and Ken Ham could both be right. Maybe the earth appears or is actually millions or billions of years old, yet, God produced the earth in 7 days by fast forwarding the natural processes and time?
This would explain how life existed before man and why there are layers of earth with different types of ancient fossils. In Genesis God commands the animals to breed, why didn't He just create an earth fully populated with animals? How could the earth be full of animals in just a few days before man came on the scene unless God fast forwarded the natural processes?
It would be impossible for animals to reproduce in such a short period of time and fill the whole earth unless God fast forwarded time.
When Jesus did the miracle of making wine from water he spoke and caused the water to turn into wine. If you started with grapes to ferment this process would take several years to make great tasting wine. Therefore he has the capacity to speed up processes or just do the miraculous in short periods of time.
Jesus’s disciples said that He did so many miracles that they all could not even be written down.Most of the 12 disciples died terrible deaths because they believed what they saw with their eyes and saw the risen Christ.[/quote]
wat
Is it possible that both Bill Nye and Ken Ham could both be right. Maybe the earth appears or is actually millions or billions of years old, yet, God produced the earth in 7 days by fast forwarding the natural processes and time?
This would explain how life existed before man and why there are layers of earth with different types of ancient fossils. In Genesis God commands the animals to breed, why didn't He just create an earth fully populated with animals? How could the earth be full of animals in just a few days before man came on the scene unless God fast forwarded the natural processes?
It would be impossible for animals to reproduce in such a short period of time and fill the whole earth unless God fast forwarded time.
When Jesus did the miracle of making wine from water he spoke and caused the water to turn into wine. If you started with grapes to ferment this process would take several years to make great tasting wine. Therefore he has the capacity to speed up processes or just do the miraculous in short periods of time.
Jesus’s disciples said that He did so many miracles that they all could not even be written down.Most of the 12 disciples died terrible deaths because they believed what they saw with their eyes and saw the risen Christ.[/quote]
wat
Religious and political debates literally lead no where, but at least these two were civil about it.
The main point that should be made is http://i.imgur.com/seDHs1E.jpg
Religious and political debates literally lead no where, but at least these two were civil about it.
The main point that should be made is http://i.imgur.com/seDHs1E.jpg
The main point that should be made is http://i.imgur.com/seDHs1E.jpg
yukiwat
I actually find that a better ideology/much less denial. It actually attempts to explain old stuff instead of things being created to coincide with natural processes and saying God made fake evidence.
Still wrong in the grand scheme of things, but they acknowledge the facts and evidence and are mainly trying to explain God/religion to themselves.
[quote=yuki]wat[/quote]
I actually find that a better ideology/much less denial. It actually attempts to explain old stuff instead of things being created to coincide with natural processes and saying God made fake evidence.
Still wrong in the grand scheme of things, but they acknowledge the facts and evidence and are mainly trying to explain God/religion to themselves.
I actually find that a better ideology/much less denial. It actually attempts to explain old stuff instead of things being created to coincide with natural processes and saying God made fake evidence.
Still wrong in the grand scheme of things, but they acknowledge the facts and evidence and are mainly trying to explain God/religion to themselves.
If you're interested in watching more ignorant people talk, feel free to watch the pre-debate show, featuring all of one side of the debate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIoOmIfcAcw&feature=share&t=1s
For those unaware, Ken Ham is the President of Answers in Genesis and founder of the Creationism Museum, which is cleverly disguised as a dinosaur theme park. His creationist buddy Eric Hovind (the main guy in the video above) is son of Kent Hovind, a prominent figure in creationism, who is currently serving a ten year prison sentence for over 50 federal offences, including smurfing and tax evasion. It's too bad Ray couldn't make it.
Apparently, the creationism museum is losing money over a loss of attendance... what better way to grab some attention than to put on a show with arguably the most known science guy on the planet?
As for the debate itself, nothing new on either side, but I kind of got a kick out of Ken Ham's stumbling when asked what it would take to change his mind. After Bill Nye's response to the same question, I think anyone with a thinking mind can say who is the more reasonable person.
If you're interested in watching more ignorant people talk, feel free to watch the pre-debate show, featuring all of one side of the debate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIoOmIfcAcw&feature=share&t=1s
For those unaware, Ken Ham is the President of Answers in Genesis and founder of the Creationism Museum, which is cleverly disguised as a dinosaur theme park. His creationist buddy Eric Hovind (the main guy in the video above) is son of Kent Hovind, a prominent figure in creationism, who is currently serving a ten year prison sentence for over 50 federal offences, including smurfing and tax evasion. It's too bad [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z-OLG0KyR4]Ray[/url] couldn't make it.
Apparently, the creationism museum is losing money over a loss of attendance... what better way to grab some attention than to put on a show with arguably the most known science guy on the planet?
As for the debate itself, nothing new on either side, but I kind of got a kick out of Ken Ham's stumbling when asked what it would take to change his mind. After Bill Nye's response to the same question, I think anyone with a thinking mind can say who is the more reasonable person.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIoOmIfcAcw&feature=share&t=1s
For those unaware, Ken Ham is the President of Answers in Genesis and founder of the Creationism Museum, which is cleverly disguised as a dinosaur theme park. His creationist buddy Eric Hovind (the main guy in the video above) is son of Kent Hovind, a prominent figure in creationism, who is currently serving a ten year prison sentence for over 50 federal offences, including smurfing and tax evasion. It's too bad [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z-OLG0KyR4]Ray[/url] couldn't make it.
Apparently, the creationism museum is losing money over a loss of attendance... what better way to grab some attention than to put on a show with arguably the most known science guy on the planet?
As for the debate itself, nothing new on either side, but I kind of got a kick out of Ken Ham's stumbling when asked what it would take to change his mind. After Bill Nye's response to the same question, I think anyone with a thinking mind can say who is the more reasonable person.
"When did these pyramids get here? They weren't here yesterday!"
"I don't know man! They sort of just showed up!"
"When did these pyramids get here? They weren't here yesterday!"
"I don't know man! They sort of just showed up!"
[img]http://puu.sh/6KiWZ.jpg[/img]
"I don't know man! They sort of just showed up!"
[img]http://puu.sh/6KiWZ.jpg[/img]
IT IS TIME FOR MY AVATAR TO TRULY SHINE!
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In other news, there is a post-show interview with Bill Nye here, and a poll up at Christian Today asking who won the debate here.
Spoiler Alert: Bill Nye is currently winning the poll 92% to 8%.
gg was close
IT IS TIME FOR MY AVATAR TO TRULY SHINE!
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In other news, there is a post-show interview with Bill Nye [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjV0C6oLGlQ]here[/url], and a poll up at Christian Today asking who won the debate [url=http://www.christiantoday.com/article/bill.nye.vs.ken.ham.debate.live.stream.free.watch.online.creation.vs.evolution.debate.here.start.time/35688.htm]here[/url].
Spoiler Alert: Bill Nye is currently winning the poll 92% to 8%.
gg was close
[img]https://d1fj4sro0cm5nu.cloudfront.net/global/images/users/222072.8.jpg[/img]
In other news, there is a post-show interview with Bill Nye [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjV0C6oLGlQ]here[/url], and a poll up at Christian Today asking who won the debate [url=http://www.christiantoday.com/article/bill.nye.vs.ken.ham.debate.live.stream.free.watch.online.creation.vs.evolution.debate.here.start.time/35688.htm]here[/url].
Spoiler Alert: Bill Nye is currently winning the poll 92% to 8%.
gg was close
everytime bill said consider, I imagined him saying consider the following
everytime bill said consider, I imagined him saying consider the following
I've got an anthropology midterm in a few hours and this was some good review. Incidentally, how do people like Mr. Ham get the venture capital to start companies like that?
I've got an anthropology midterm in a few hours and this was some good review. Incidentally, how do people like Mr. Ham get the venture capital to start companies like that?
"talks about the origin of the universe, the origin of matter, and the origin of light, and the origin of darkness, and the origin of day and night, and the origin of night, and the origin of the earth, and the origin of dry land, and the origin of plants, and the origin of the sun, moon, and stars, and the origin of sea creatures, the origin of flying creatures, and the origin of land creatures, the origin of man, the origin of women, the origin of death, and the origin of sin, the origin of marriage, the origin of different languages, the origin of clothing, the origin of nations. I mean it's a very very specific book."
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"talks about the origin of the universe, the origin of matter, and the origin of light, and the origin of darkness, and the origin of day and night, and the origin of night, and the origin of the earth, and the origin of dry land, and the origin of plants, and the origin of the sun, moon, and stars, and the origin of sea creatures, the origin of flying creatures, and the origin of land creatures, the origin of man, the origin of women, the origin of death, and the origin of sin, the origin of marriage, the origin of different languages, the origin of clothing, the origin of nations. I mean it's a very very specific book."
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I went into this expecting it to be pretty shit. But was pleasantly surprised.
I got kind of a laugh that Ham kept resorting to an elementary debate tactic that you'd get out of page one of the "idiots guide to debate." That is, 'control the definition of terms' so much throughout the debate.
His few theological justifications were pretty weak - especially given that a major conception within the book of Genesis is the "second" genesis which comes immediately after the opening bit upon which the creation museum is invariably founded upon. He also could've gotten burned pretty badly by his delving into literal vs. contextual interpretation which is one of the most thorny bits of theology.
If Ham had simply chosen not to talk about creation as an absolute truth, and rather, kept the debate as it was in the first five minutes, that is to say, pointing out the contributions that persons who believed in a divine creation to science, who were fully capable of being successful scientists, he'd have had a much better showing. But he chose to try and construct an entire ideology from a bronze age text and made a fool of himself in the eyes of just about anybody with rudimentary amounts of education - and that was something Bill was able to stay on the whole time.
My absolute favorite moment of the whole debate was when Ham attempted to use verse 30 of Genesis literally and say that every single animal was a vegetarian lol.
I went into this expecting it to be pretty shit. But was pleasantly surprised.
I got kind of a laugh that Ham kept resorting to an elementary debate tactic that you'd get out of page one of the "idiots guide to debate." That is, 'control the definition of terms' so much throughout the debate.
His few theological justifications were pretty weak - especially given that a major conception within the book of Genesis is the "second" genesis which comes immediately after the opening bit upon which the creation museum is invariably founded upon. He also could've gotten burned pretty badly by his delving into literal vs. contextual interpretation which is one of the most thorny bits of theology.
If Ham had simply chosen not to talk about creation as an absolute truth, and rather, kept the debate as it was in the first five minutes, that is to say, pointing out the contributions that persons who believed in a divine creation to science, who were fully capable of being successful scientists, he'd have had a much better showing. But he chose to try and construct an entire ideology from a bronze age text and made a fool of himself in the eyes of just about anybody with rudimentary amounts of education - and that was something Bill was able to stay on the whole time.
My absolute favorite moment of the whole debate was when Ham attempted to use verse 30 of Genesis literally and say that every single animal was a vegetarian lol.
I got kind of a laugh that Ham kept resorting to an elementary debate tactic that you'd get out of page one of the "idiots guide to debate." That is, 'control the definition of terms' so much throughout the debate.
His few theological justifications were pretty weak - especially given that a major conception within the book of Genesis is the "second" genesis which comes immediately after the opening bit upon which the creation museum is invariably founded upon. He also could've gotten burned pretty badly by his delving into literal vs. contextual interpretation which is one of the most thorny bits of theology.
If Ham had simply chosen not to talk about creation as an absolute truth, and rather, kept the debate as it was in the first five minutes, that is to say, pointing out the contributions that persons who believed in a divine creation to science, who were fully capable of being successful scientists, he'd have had a much better showing. But he chose to try and construct an entire ideology from a bronze age text and made a fool of himself in the eyes of just about anybody with rudimentary amounts of education - and that was something Bill was able to stay on the whole time.
My absolute favorite moment of the whole debate was when Ham attempted to use verse 30 of Genesis literally and say that every single animal was a vegetarian lol.
I think the topic is actually kind of important to debate (teaching religion in like high schools or junior Hugh's) but this debate in particular sucked (Ham was way too biased towards a Christian view of god). A good number of people are unaware of the modern day philosophical arguments of religion (don't confuse it with theology nor Judaic or Christian views) it's saddening, so it probably should be taught in schools . Hell even most college philosophy of religion courses are out dated a lot of states like Illinois still usetext books that argue the "theistic/personal/Judaic" western world god(s) when that stuff has been outdated for like 15 years (including Rowe's book). The arguments in current philosophical are tend to promote critical thinking and general open mindedness.
I think the topic is actually kind of important to debate (teaching religion in like high schools or junior Hugh's) but this debate in particular sucked (Ham was way too biased towards a Christian view of god). A good number of people are unaware of the modern day philosophical arguments of religion (don't confuse it with theology nor Judaic or Christian views) it's saddening, so it probably should be taught in schools . Hell even most college philosophy of religion courses are out dated a lot of states like Illinois still usetext books that argue the "theistic/personal/Judaic" western world god(s) when that stuff has been outdated for like 15 years (including Rowe's book). The arguments in current philosophical are tend to promote critical thinking and general open mindedness.
Just some typical arguments for Bill.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages-from-creationists-to-people-who-believe-in-evolutio?bftw
*sigh*
Just some typical arguments for Bill.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages-from-creationists-to-people-who-believe-in-evolutio?bftw
*sigh*
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages-from-creationists-to-people-who-believe-in-evolutio?bftw
*sigh*
-Mike-Just some typical arguments for Bill.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages-from-creationists-to-people-who-believe-in-evolutio?bftw
*sigh*
I sure would love to show them this
https://31.media.tumblr.com/2cfa7dfd2d2ef74301fe7aaa0f66c816/tumblr_n07fdc2kmZ1r7866ao2_500.jpg
[quote=-Mike-]Just some typical arguments for Bill.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages-from-creationists-to-people-who-believe-in-evolutio?bftw
*sigh*[/quote]
I sure would love to show them this
[img]https://31.media.tumblr.com/2cfa7dfd2d2ef74301fe7aaa0f66c816/tumblr_n07fdc2kmZ1r7866ao2_500.jpg[/img]
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages-from-creationists-to-people-who-believe-in-evolutio?bftw
*sigh*[/quote]
I sure would love to show them this
[img]https://31.media.tumblr.com/2cfa7dfd2d2ef74301fe7aaa0f66c816/tumblr_n07fdc2kmZ1r7866ao2_500.jpg[/img]
Ken Ham doesn't care whether he's right or wrong in these debates. He doesn't actually have to believe the stupid crap that comes out of his mouth. He just has to get attention so people will go to his stupid crap museum and give him more money.
Ken Ham doesn't care whether he's right or wrong in these debates. He doesn't actually have to believe the stupid crap that comes out of his mouth. He just has to get attention so people will go to his stupid crap museum and give him more money.
jesus fucking christ
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holy shit another gem
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-02/enhanced/webdr02/5/0/enhanced-15285-1391576908-9.jpg
jesus fucking christ
[img]http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-02/enhanced/webdr05/5/0/enhanced-27109-1391576856-1.jpg[/img]
holy shit another gem
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holy shit another gem
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look at this smug motherfucker. you can see on his face that he just pulled out his trump card. no way those atheists are gonna win this time.
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look at this smug motherfucker. you can see on his face that he just pulled out his trump card. no way those atheists are gonna win this time.
look at this smug motherfucker. you can see on his face that he just pulled out his trump card. no way those atheists are gonna win this time.
I SAW IT ALL DEFIANCE SMOBO CAME FIRST
shit I should get off tftv
I SAW IT ALL DEFIANCE SMOBO CAME FIRST
shit I should get off tftv
shit I should get off tftv
defiancejesus fucking christ
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[quote=defiance]jesus fucking christ
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defiancejesus fucking christ
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[quote=defiance]jesus fucking christ
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