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TurinWonderland why are you OK with police racial profiling based on looks

Could we not?

[quote=Turin]Wonderland why are you OK with police racial profiling based on looks[/quote]

Could we not?
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It's all fun and games until someone gets shot..

It's all fun and games until someone gets shot..
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AntaresIt's all fun and games until someone gets shot..

it's not fun or a game

[quote=Antares]It's all fun and games until someone gets shot..[/quote]
it's not fun or a game
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AntaresIt's all fun and games until someone gets shot..

Losing your chance at future job applications sure is fun and games. Getting humiliated in front of a live audience is fun and games. Having you family/friends/co-workers/lover find out you got raided by a SWAT team fun and games.

Yup, sounds fun to me.

[quote=Antares]It's all fun and games until someone gets shot..[/quote]
Losing your chance at future job applications sure is fun and games. Getting humiliated in front of a live audience is fun and games. Having you family/friends/co-workers/lover find out you got raided by a SWAT team fun and games.

Yup, sounds [i]fun[/i] to me.
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I meant it from the perspectives of the guys who do this shit.

God...

I meant it from the perspectives of the guys who do this shit.

God...
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"It's all fun and games until X" is literally a phrase people use to point out the stupidity of actions like these. It's targeted at the "pranksters" themselves. Sure would be nice if everyone stopped purposefully misinterpreting statements so they could have a strawman to beat up.

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"It's all fun and games until X" is literally a phrase people use to point out the stupidity of actions like these. It's targeted at the "pranksters" themselves. Sure would be nice if everyone stopped purposefully misinterpreting statements so they could have a strawman to beat up.

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wonderland, not everyone in the world has to be calm and respectful, especially during a raid. What are you trying to do anyway, make it so all swat officers aren't allowed to swear or be rude? deal with it, at least they're protecting you and putting their lives on the line.

wonderland, not everyone in the world has to be calm and respectful, especially during a raid. What are you trying to do anyway, make it so all swat officers aren't allowed to swear or be rude? deal with it, at least they're protecting you and putting their lives on the line.
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This has become pretty big, just saw it on our national news broadcast.

They described the people who called 911 as "Frustrated gamers who can't deal with losing"

This has become pretty big, just saw it on our national news broadcast.

They described the people who called 911 as "Frustrated gamers who can't deal with losing"
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I'm actually embarrassed to admit how much I play games with all this BS that gets attributed to gamers. Dumb news :(

I'm actually embarrassed to admit how much I play games with all this BS that gets attributed to gamers. Dumb news :(
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ExquisiteStoneThis has become pretty big, just saw it on our national news broadcast.

They described the people who called 911 as "Frustrated gamers who can't deal with losing"

In most cases, it is. Unfortunately there have been more than common cases where they get mad because they lost or something. In Creature's case it was someone who just wanted to make some sick fun for himself. Technology is going so far.

[quote=ExquisiteStone]This has become pretty big, just saw it on our national news broadcast.

They described the people who called 911 as "Frustrated gamers who can't deal with losing"[/quote]

In most cases, it is. Unfortunately there have been more than common cases where they get mad because they lost or something. In Creature's case it was someone who just wanted to make some sick fun for himself. Technology is going so far.
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some weird people in this thread. wonder when they last put their lives in danger for complete strangers, let alone on a daily basis. complaining because they swore at the guy, haha.

some weird people in this thread. wonder when they last put their lives in danger for complete strangers, let alone on a daily basis. complaining because they swore at the guy, haha.
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turtsmcgurtssome weird people in this thread. wonder when they last put their lives in danger for complete strangers, let alone on a daily basis. complaining because they swore at the guy, haha.

the idea that cops are heroes just by virtue of their profession is ridiculous just fyi

[quote=turtsmcgurts]some weird people in this thread. wonder when they last put their lives in danger for complete strangers, let alone on a daily basis. complaining because they swore at the guy, haha.[/quote]

the idea that cops are heroes just by virtue of their profession is ridiculous just fyi
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Yeah tell me when a geography teacher gets shot at as part of his job description, or when an accountant has to deal with HIV+ meth heads.

Yeah tell me when a geography teacher gets shot at as part of his job description, or when an accountant has to deal with HIV+ meth heads.
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Mr_Owlturtsmcgurtssome weird people in this thread. wonder when they last put their lives in danger for complete strangers, let alone on a daily basis. complaining because they swore at the guy, haha.
the idea that cops are heroes just by virtue of their profession is ridiculous just fyi

He didnt say they were but plenty do lay their lives down on the line every day just for putting on a uniform. Almost lost my dad because 5 thugs didnt like cops so why not jump one at a gas station while hes filling up. The amount of cop haters surfacing is alarming whats more disturbing to me is how much support they get

[quote=Mr_Owl][quote=turtsmcgurts]some weird people in this thread. wonder when they last put their lives in danger for complete strangers, let alone on a daily basis. complaining because they swore at the guy, haha.[/quote]

the idea that cops are heroes just by virtue of their profession is ridiculous just fyi[/quote]
He didnt say they were but plenty do lay their lives down on the line every day just for putting on a uniform. Almost lost my dad because 5 thugs didnt like cops so why not jump one at a gas station while hes filling up. The amount of cop haters surfacing is alarming whats more disturbing to me is how much support they get
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my dad risks his life everyday on the swat team he is a hero!

my dad risks his life everyday on the swat team he is a hero!
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TurinYeah tell me when a geography teacher gets shot at as part of his job description, or when an accountant has to deal with HIV+ meth heads.

Yeah tell me what percentage of cops in the US deal with either of those things on any sort of regular basis.

There are great cops out there and being a cop means you have a greater chance of being put in a situation requiring heroism but worshiping the uniform is really unhealthy and it's what leads to a lot of the dickhead cops that are running around out there.

[quote=Turin]Yeah tell me when a geography teacher gets shot at as part of his job description, or when an accountant has to deal with HIV+ meth heads.[/quote]

Yeah tell me what percentage of cops in the US deal with either of those things on any sort of regular basis.

There are great cops out there and being a cop means you have a greater chance of being put in a situation requiring heroism but worshiping the uniform is really unhealthy and it's what leads to a lot of the dickhead cops that are running around out there.
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Marxisthas grounds for a lawsuit on several accounts

Not really.

The 4th amendment violation won't come into play legally, unless the guy gets charged with something and it goes to court. In which case any evidence on his phone will potentially (based on a ruling) be unable to be brought into evidence and shown in front of a jury.

Unless this guy was seriously injured (doubt it) no lawyer would take his case because he's not likely to be awarded monetary damages.

The main thing to think about in a lawsuit is how much money it directly cost the person. Medical bills, construction defects that need $$$ to be fixed, wages that would otherwise be earned, stock values, etc. Attorneys will not take a case unless there is a pretty clear economic benefit for them -- which almost never comes from "pain and suffering." Pain and suffering is always asked for as an additional bonus on the award, and very rarely awarded.

[quote=Marxist]has grounds for a lawsuit on several accounts[/quote]
Not really.

The 4th amendment violation won't come into play legally, unless the guy gets charged with something and it goes to court. In which case any evidence on his phone will potentially (based on a ruling) be unable to be brought into evidence and shown in front of a jury.

Unless this guy was seriously injured (doubt it) no lawyer would take his case because he's not likely to be awarded monetary damages.

The main thing to think about in a lawsuit is how much money it directly cost the person. Medical bills, construction defects that need $$$ to be fixed, wages that would otherwise be earned, stock values, etc. Attorneys will not take a case unless there is a pretty clear economic benefit for them -- which almost never comes from "pain and suffering." Pain and suffering is [i]always[/i] asked for as an additional bonus on the award, and very rarely awarded.
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It depends on the state really - somebody calling a swat team on you to fuck with you surely could be pretty easily proven in court and it'd be pretty easy to show that you were damaged as a result of the actions of the caller. In the same way that I'd be allowed to sue somebody who fucks up my car or writes/says nasty (untrue) things about me.

Also the amount of "cop hate" is directly related to the amount of shitty things they do. It shouldn't come as a surprise that the more often force is utilized in policing the more people will grow to distrust and dislike the police in general. Thankfully, I live in an extremely rural area so everybody basically knows everybody, so even if you are being an asshole the police usually just talk it out and 80% of their job is wrangling lost farm animals lol. I've been arrested twice for criminal non-civil acts and twice for disobedience and I've never even been so much as thrown to the ground lol.

It depends on the state really - somebody calling a swat team on you to fuck with you surely could be pretty easily proven in court and it'd be pretty easy to show that you were damaged as a result of the actions of the caller. In the same way that I'd be allowed to sue somebody who fucks up my car or writes/says nasty (untrue) things about me.

Also the amount of "cop hate" is directly related to the amount of shitty things they do. It shouldn't come as a surprise that the more often force is utilized in policing the more people will grow to distrust and dislike the police in general. Thankfully, I live in an extremely rural area so everybody basically knows everybody, so even if you are being an asshole the police usually just talk it out and 80% of their job is wrangling lost farm animals lol. I've been arrested twice for criminal non-civil acts and twice for disobedience and I've never even been so much as thrown to the ground lol.
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Mr_OwlYeah tell me what percentage of cops in the US deal with either of those things on any sort of regular basis.

There are approximately 900,000 police officers in the US as of 2014. In the past year (2013) there were 100 officers killed, and 15,000 injuries. That's less than 1% of officers that sustained casualties. However, there have been about 60,000 assaults against officers (not including incidents with more than one officer being assaulted, so this may not represent the actual number). That brings it to 7% of officers that face assault.
(I got the statistics from http://www.nleomf.org/facts/)

[quote=Mr_Owl]
Yeah tell me what percentage of cops in the US deal with either of those things on any sort of regular basis.

[/quote]

There are approximately 900,000 police officers in the US as of 2014. In the past year (2013) there were 100 officers killed, and 15,000 injuries. That's less than 1% of officers that sustained casualties. However, there have been about 60,000 assaults against officers (not including incidents with more than one officer being assaulted, so this may not represent the actual number). That brings it to 7% of officers that face assault.
(I got the statistics from http://www.nleomf.org/facts/)
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TurinThere are approximately 900,000 police officers in the US as of 2014. In the past year (2013) there were 100 officers killed, and 15,000 injuries. That's less than 1% of officers that sustained casualties. However, there have been about 60,000 assaults against officers (not including incidents with more than one officer being assaulted, so this may not represent the actual number). That brings it to 7% of officers that face assault.

Compared to the 5% of teachers who have been assaulted by students.

Not a compelling statistic.

[quote=Turin]There are approximately 900,000 police officers in the US as of 2014. In the past year (2013) there were 100 officers killed, and 15,000 injuries. That's less than 1% of officers that sustained casualties. However, there have been about 60,000 assaults against officers (not including incidents with more than one officer being assaulted, so this may not represent the actual number). That brings it to 7% of officers that face assault.[/quote]

Compared to the 5% of teachers who have been assaulted by students.

Not a compelling statistic.
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I also stated that they didn't mention the number of officers in each case of assault, sometimes it could be multiple officers. That means that 7% is probably well under the actual number. If it's 2/3 officers on average it could be 14-21% for all we know. It just seems like you have an issue with the police that has nothing to do with statistics, more of you don't like them.

I also stated that they didn't mention the number of officers in each case of assault, sometimes it could be multiple officers. That means that 7% is probably well under the actual number. If it's 2/3 officers on average it could be 14-21% for all we know. It just seems like you have an issue with the police that has nothing to do with statistics, more of you don't like them.
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Mr_OwlTurinThere are approximately 900,000 police officers in the US as of 2014. In the past year (2013) there were 100 officers killed, and 15,000 injuries. That's less than 1% of officers that sustained casualties. However, there have been about 60,000 assaults against officers (not including incidents with more than one officer being assaulted, so this may not represent the actual number). That brings it to 7% of officers that face assault.
Compared to the 5% of teachers who have been assaulted by students.

Not a compelling statistic.

Can you give a source on that? that really doesn't seem likely as I've never seen or heard of an assault on a teacher in my school or any school around me. Granted I live in a really rich area where everyone gets a mustang from their parents but act like they're "in the hood"

[quote=Mr_Owl][quote=Turin]There are approximately 900,000 police officers in the US as of 2014. In the past year (2013) there were 100 officers killed, and 15,000 injuries. That's less than 1% of officers that sustained casualties. However, there have been about 60,000 assaults against officers (not including incidents with more than one officer being assaulted, so this may not represent the actual number). That brings it to 7% of officers that face assault.[/quote]

Compared to the 5% of teachers who have been assaulted by students.

Not a compelling statistic.[/quote]


Can you give a source on that? that really doesn't seem likely as I've never seen or heard of an assault on a teacher in my school or any school around me. Granted I live in a really rich area where everyone gets a mustang from their parents but act like they're "in the hood"
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I don't see how anyone actually considers this police brutality. Those men, as far as they knew, could have been putting their lives on the line. Let's be real here. The streamer was 100% innocent; some cunts swatted him, but we can't expect any sympathy until after the case has been settled entirely.

If you want police brutality, look at the man who recently died because the NYPD kept him in a choke hold too tightly, even after repeatedly trying to say that he couldn't breathe.

I don't see how anyone actually considers this police brutality. Those men, as far as they knew, could have been putting their lives on the line. Let's be real here. The streamer was 100% innocent; some cunts swatted him, but we can't expect any sympathy until after the case has been settled entirely.

If you want police brutality, look at the man who recently died because the NYPD kept him in a choke hold too tightly, even after repeatedly trying to say that he couldn't breathe.
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It depends on the state really - somebody calling a swat team on you to fuck with you surely could be pretty easily proven in court and it'd be pretty easy to show that you were damaged as a result of the actions of the caller. In the same way that I'd be allowed to sue somebody who fucks up my car or writes/says nasty (untrue) things about me.

if you can find the caller, the feds will have found him too. After criminal charges, there will be nothing left to award.

Yes, you could sue, you'd probably win, but you'd never get anything. So, no lawyer would take your case.

[quote]It depends on the state really - somebody calling a swat team on you to fuck with you surely could be pretty easily proven in court and it'd be pretty easy to show that you were damaged as a result of the actions of the caller. In the same way that I'd be allowed to sue somebody who fucks up my car or writes/says nasty (untrue) things about me. [/quote]
if you can find the caller, the feds will have found him too. After criminal charges, there will be nothing left to award.

Yes, you could sue, you'd probably win, but you'd never get anything. So, no lawyer would take your case.
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lafaa123Can you give a source on that? that really doesn't seem likely as I've never seen or heard of an assault on a teacher in my school or any school around me. Granted I live in a really rich area where everyone gets a mustang from their parents but act like they're "in the hood"

Anecdotal, but both my parents are teachers in low-middle class schools and have been assaulted by students multiple times in their careers. Worst case involved military grade explosives that some asshole somehow got a hold of. Claimed it was a prank.

[quote=lafaa123]Can you give a source on that? that really doesn't seem likely as I've never seen or heard of an assault on a teacher in my school or any school around me. Granted I live in a really rich area where everyone gets a mustang from their parents but act like they're "in the hood"[/quote]

Anecdotal, but both my parents are teachers in low-middle class schools and have been assaulted by students multiple times in their careers. Worst case involved military grade explosives that some asshole somehow got a hold of. Claimed it was a prank.
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are we really comparing being a teacher to being a cop? Cops deal with scum all day long. They don't get calls because good things are happening. They spend most of their night shifts dealing with drunk people looking for a fight. When wearing a bullet proof vest is part of your job description you are going to be on edge sometimes.

are we really comparing being a teacher to being a cop? Cops deal with scum all day long. They don't get calls because good things are happening. They spend most of their night shifts dealing with drunk people looking for a fight. When wearing a bullet proof vest is part of your job description you are going to be on edge sometimes.
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WithADanceNumberAntaresIt's all fun and games until someone gets shot..Losing your chance at future job applications sure is fun and games. Getting humiliated in front of a live audience is fun and games. Having you family/friends/co-workers/lover find out you got raided by a SWAT team fun and games.

Yup, sounds fun to me.

I dont quite understand, he didnt do anything, on what grounds is he losing his chance at a future job?

[quote=WithADanceNumber][quote=Antares]It's all fun and games until someone gets shot..[/quote]
Losing your chance at future job applications sure is fun and games. Getting humiliated in front of a live audience is fun and games. Having you family/friends/co-workers/lover find out you got raided by a SWAT team fun and games.

Yup, sounds [i]fun[/i] to me.[/quote]
I dont quite understand, he didnt do anything, on what grounds is he losing his chance at a future job?
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you dont think your potential employer is going to Google you? Seeing this would be a turn off.

you dont think your potential employer is going to Google you? Seeing this would be a turn off.
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I've contemplated swatting slin in the past

I've contemplated swatting slin in the past
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lexsWithADanceNumberAntaresIt's all fun and games until someone gets shot..Losing your chance at future job applications sure is fun and games. Getting humiliated in front of a live audience is fun and games. Having you family/friends/co-workers/lover find out you got raided by a SWAT team fun and games.

Yup, sounds fun to me.
I dont quite understand, he didnt do anything, on what grounds is he losing his chance at a future job?

At least in the US, an arrest is public information. Add in "newspapers" like busted, that only show the mugshots and why they were arrested before finding out if they are guilty or not, will always be with the person that was arrested.

[quote=lexs][quote=WithADanceNumber][quote=Antares]It's all fun and games until someone gets shot..[/quote]
Losing your chance at future job applications sure is fun and games. Getting humiliated in front of a live audience is fun and games. Having you family/friends/co-workers/lover find out you got raided by a SWAT team fun and games.

Yup, sounds [i]fun[/i] to me.[/quote]
I dont quite understand, he didnt do anything, on what grounds is he losing his chance at a future job?[/quote]

At least in the US, an arrest is public information. Add in "newspapers" like busted, that only show the mugshots and why they were arrested before finding out if they are guilty or not, will always be with the person that was arrested.
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