Seeing REAL work on the demoman that is not only extensive but seems to have involved a fair bit of thought is VERY encouraging. This interests me a lot more than "we added damage rampup to the Stickybomb Launcher, bye"
How the changes actually play, I guess we'll wait and see.
Seeing REAL work on the demoman that is not only extensive but seems to have involved a fair bit of thought is VERY encouraging. This interests me a lot more than "we added damage rampup to the Stickybomb Launcher, bye"
How the changes actually play, I guess we'll wait and see.
So which teams are going to be first to throw down in a match in the new mode?
So which teams are going to be first to throw down in a match in the new mode?
the demoman nerf actually seems pretty reasonable.
the demoman nerf actually seems pretty reasonable.
Teapot_the demoman nerf actually seems pretty reasonable.
The thing is, its not much of a nerf. The radius is decreased by 15%, and thats when it first exits the launcher, and it reverts back to normal radius by a mere 2 seconds, which isnt really that much, considering that the damage isn't affected by the change at all.
EDIT: For those who want to know the required materials for the weps:
Quickiebomb(spamlauncher): 2 Recs and tide turner
Panic Attack(beggars shotty): 2 recs and backscatter
Iron Bomber(grenade launcher): 2 recs and airstrike
[quote=Teapot_]the demoman nerf actually seems pretty reasonable.[/quote]
The thing is, its not much of a nerf. The radius is decreased by 15%, and thats when it first exits the launcher, and it reverts back to normal radius by a mere 2 seconds, which isnt really that much, considering that the damage isn't affected by the change at all.
EDIT: For those who want to know the required materials for the weps:
Quickiebomb(spamlauncher): 2 Recs and tide turner
Panic Attack(beggars shotty): 2 recs and backscatter
Iron Bomber(grenade launcher): 2 recs and airstrike
ok guys, finally, the shotgun festive is here O:
ok guys, finally, the shotgun festive is here O:
I'm actually really excited for all these changes
buttttt
matchmaking 6v6 -> please
other retard weapons-> fix please
pubs could be fun to play valve
it's not unreasonable
edit:
I think a lot of people also missed these amazing changes:
Damage variance on grenades and stickybombs reduced from +/-10% damage to +/-2%.
Grenades and Stickies now have the same base blast radius as rockets. Changed from 159Hu to 146Hu.
I'm actually really excited for all these changes
buttttt
matchmaking 6v6 -> please
other retard weapons-> fix please
pubs could be fun to play valve
it's not unreasonable
edit:
I think a lot of people also missed these amazing changes:
Damage variance on grenades and stickybombs reduced from +/-10% damage to +/-2%.
Grenades and Stickies now have the same base blast radius as rockets. Changed from 159Hu to 146Hu.
new shotgun for all classes with faster reload, oh baby
new shotgun for all classes with faster reload, oh baby
AlwaysTeapot_the demoman nerf actually seems pretty reasonable.
The thing is, its not much of a nerf. The radius is decreased by 15%, and thats when it first exits the launcher, and it reverts back to normal radius by a mere 2 seconds, which isnt really that much, considering that the damage isn't affected by the change at all.
the damage is also down by about ~20, and the radius is now in line with rockets always, so
[quote=Always][quote=Teapot_]the demoman nerf actually seems pretty reasonable.[/quote]
The thing is, its not much of a nerf. The radius is decreased by 15%, and thats when it first exits the launcher, and it reverts back to normal radius by a mere 2 seconds, which isnt really that much, considering that the damage isn't affected by the change at all.[/quote]
the damage is also down by about ~20, and the radius is now in line with rockets always, so
It's reasonable precisely because it's not much of a nerf. Though reducing blast radius by ~%10 is pretty significant and the ramp up means that scouts shouldn't be killed off by one sticky at full health.
It's reasonable precisely because it's not much of a nerf. Though reducing blast radius by ~%10 is pretty significant and the ramp up means that scouts shouldn't be killed off by one sticky at full health.
MANNPOWERED IS FULLBRIGHT
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Pipes now do 100 dmg consistently. I am okay with this.
Pipes now do 100 dmg consistently. I am okay with this.
Let me say this right now: The Haste power up is fucking ridiculous. You get Negev-style fire rate, a speed boost, and insane reload speed. Enjoy it while it lasts, everyone.
Let me say this right now: The Haste power up is fucking ridiculous. You get Negev-style fire rate, a speed boost, and insane reload speed. Enjoy it while it lasts, everyone.
Okay so the shotgun is pretty bad since, unlike the beggar's, firing single shots is way too slow. Only good for turning corners or emergency burst.
New Stickybomb launcher seems balanced. Stickies, once touching the ground, last for a little over 1 sec. Traps impossible.
Haven't tried new Grenade Launcher yet.
Still have to see things in play, but this is what I've noticed so far.
Edit: also forgot to mention my lighting is now fucked using maxframes
Okay so the shotgun is pretty bad since, unlike the beggar's, firing single shots is way too slow. Only good for turning corners or emergency burst.
New Stickybomb launcher seems balanced. Stickies, once touching the ground, last for a little over 1 sec. Traps impossible.
Haven't tried new Grenade Launcher yet.
Still have to see things in play, but this is what I've noticed so far.
Edit: also forgot to mention my lighting is now fucked using maxframes
they did some things to direct x 8 or i am having weird issues idk
http://i.imgur.com/t3lNy6G.jpg
they did some things to direct x 8 or i am having weird issues idk
[img]http://i.imgur.com/t3lNy6G.jpg[/img]
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I swear this game mode is just a ball out quake ctf mode
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I swear this game mode is just a ball out quake ctf mode
Valve trying to fool us into thinking it's a small nerf by using radius
pipes and stickies have .92 of original radius
base arm time for air stickies is .85 of nerfed radius, so .78 of original radius
equation for volume of a sphere is v = 4/3 * pi * r^3
For pipes/stickies on the ground:
4/3 * pi * (.92^3) = volume of 3.26, or 78% of original volume
For base arm time of air stickies:
4/3 * pi * (.78^3) = volume of 1.98, or 47% of original volume
Valve trying to fool us into thinking it's a small nerf by using radius
pipes and stickies have .92 of original radius
base arm time for air stickies is .85 of nerfed radius, so .78 of original radius
equation for volume of a sphere is v = 4/3 * pi * r^3
For pipes/stickies on the ground:
4/3 * pi * (.92^3) = volume of 3.26, or 78% of original volume
For base arm time of air stickies:
4/3 * pi * (.78^3) = volume of 1.98, or 47% of original volume
they were pretty smart to sprinkle the 3 nerfs over the patch notes to not piss off too many people. i think it's good though.
they were pretty smart to sprinkle the 3 nerfs over the patch notes to not piss off too many people. i think it's good though.
I tested out the grenade launcher and the only number I'm seeing is 100.
This update is amazing.
I tested out the grenade launcher and the only number I'm seeing is 100.
This update is amazing.
Always
The thing is, its not much of a nerf. The radius is decreased by 15%, and thats when it first exits the launcher, and it reverts back to normal radius by a mere 2 seconds, which isnt really that much, considering that the damage isn't affected by the change at all.
- Stickybombs that detonate in the air now have a radius ramp up, starting at 85% at base arm time (0.8s) going back to 100% over 2 seconds. Stickies that touch the world will have full radius.
Base arm time is 0.8 seconds after you launch the sticky bomb, in other words, the earliest time you can det a sticky after shooting it. 85% radius might not seem like much, but you really shouldn't be looking at the radius, but the volume of the explosion:
V original = 4/3πr^3
V now = 4/3π(0.85r)^3 = 0.614125(4/3πr^3)
The sphere of damage created by a detonating sticky at the earliest detonation time now covers 61% of the volume it used to. The area in the x-z plane is 72%.
This mostly affects the demoman's ability to deal damage to multiple people at once.
[quote=Always]
The thing is, its not much of a nerf. The radius is decreased by 15%, and thats when it first exits the launcher, and it reverts back to normal radius by a mere 2 seconds, which isnt really that much, considering that the damage isn't affected by the change at all.
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- Stickybombs that detonate in the air now have a radius ramp up, starting at 85% at base arm time (0.8s) going back to 100% over 2 seconds. Stickies that touch the world will have full radius.
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Base arm time is 0.8 seconds after you launch the sticky bomb, in other words, the earliest time you can det a sticky after shooting it. 85% radius might not seem like much, but you really shouldn't be looking at the radius, but the volume of the explosion:
V original = 4/3πr^3
V now = 4/3π(0.85r)^3 = 0.614125(4/3πr^3)
The sphere of damage created by a detonating sticky at the earliest detonation time now covers 61% of the volume it used to. The area in the x-z plane is 72%.
This mostly affects the demoman's ability to deal damage to multiple people at once.
The new demo items are terrible. The nade launcher is a direct downgrade? Unless you cant no rollies good? I guess the quickie will be usefull but no sticky traps can be used = other team can push easier if they recognise you are using it :( The loose cannon is amazing tho :D
The new demo items are terrible. The nade launcher is a direct downgrade? Unless you cant no rollies good? I guess the quickie will be usefull but no sticky traps can be used = other team can push easier if they recognise you are using it :( The loose cannon is amazing tho :D
The new weapons
[youtube]http://youtu.be/-z7-98lFH9k[/youtube]
both the new demo weapons are balanced
unban pls
both the new demo weapons are balanced
unban pls
messed around with stickies in walkway and the nerf seems pretty good. I think it's sorta like the DR nerf, not really a nerf but a more appropriate skill index or whatever you call it for the weapon.
also i love the nice round 100s on every pipe
messed around with stickies in walkway and the nerf seems pretty good. I think it's sorta like the DR nerf, not really a nerf but a more appropriate skill index or whatever you call it for the weapon.
also i love the nice round 100s on every pipe
The Iron Bomber is actually really great for small, low damage 'pipe' jumps since it pretty much stays in place on the ground where it hits.
The Iron Bomber is actually really great for small, low damage 'pipe' jumps since it pretty much stays in place on the ground where it hits.
after testing it out I think the sticky nerf is gonna make scouts even more OP in 6s
we shall see tho
after testing it out I think the sticky nerf is gonna make scouts even more OP in 6s
we shall see tho
AsteriLet me say this right now: The Haste power up is fucking ridiculous. You get Negev-style fire rate, a speed boost, and insane reload speed. Enjoy it while it lasts, everyone.
all of the power ups are ridiculously strong
with precision you can two shot or three shot every class at medium range as scout
with regen you are basically immortal unless you get cheesed (to be fair a lot of powerups can cheese you) or your dumb
[quote=Asteri]Let me say this right now: The Haste power up is fucking ridiculous. You get Negev-style fire rate, a speed boost, and insane reload speed. Enjoy it while it lasts, everyone.[/quote]
all of the power ups are ridiculously strong
with precision you can two shot or three shot every class at medium range as scout
with regen you are basically immortal unless you get cheesed (to be fair a lot of powerups can cheese you) or your dumb
The new sticky launcher can still be used for traps. As long as you don't charge the stickies they won't explode after 2 seconds or whatever.
The new sticky launcher can still be used for traps. As long as you don't charge the stickies they won't explode after 2 seconds or whatever.
RigelAlways
The thing is, its not much of a nerf. The radius is decreased by 15%, and thats when it first exits the launcher, and it reverts back to normal radius by a mere 2 seconds, which isnt really that much, considering that the damage isn't affected by the change at all.
- Stickybombs that detonate in the air now have a radius ramp up, starting at 85% at base arm time (0.8s) going back to 100% over 2 seconds. Stickies that touch the world will have full radius.
Base arm time is 0.8 seconds after you launch the sticky bomb, in other words, the earliest time you can det a sticky after shooting it. 85% radius might not seem like much, but you really shouldn't be looking at the radius, but the volume of the explosion:
V original = 4/3πr^3
V now = 4/3π(0.85r)^3 = 0.614125(4/3πr^3)
The sphere of damage created by a detonating sticky at the earliest detonation time now covers 61% of the volume it used to. The area in the x-z plane is 72%.
This mostly affects the demoman's ability to deal damage to multiple people at once.
sticks and pipes both had their radius' nerfed by .92, so airstickies actually have .47 of their original volume.
[quote=Rigel][quote=Always]
The thing is, its not much of a nerf. The radius is decreased by 15%, and thats when it first exits the launcher, and it reverts back to normal radius by a mere 2 seconds, which isnt really that much, considering that the damage isn't affected by the change at all.
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- Stickybombs that detonate in the air now have a radius ramp up, starting at 85% at base arm time (0.8s) going back to 100% over 2 seconds. Stickies that touch the world will have full radius.
[/quote]
Base arm time is 0.8 seconds after you launch the sticky bomb, in other words, the earliest time you can det a sticky after shooting it. 85% radius might not seem like much, but you really shouldn't be looking at the radius, but the volume of the explosion:
V original = 4/3πr^3
V now = 4/3π(0.85r)^3 = 0.614125(4/3πr^3)
The sphere of damage created by a detonating sticky at the earliest detonation time now covers 61% of the volume it used to. The area in the x-z plane is 72%.
This mostly affects the demoman's ability to deal damage to multiple people at once.[/quote]
sticks and pipes both had their radius' nerfed by .92, so airstickies actually have .47 of their original volume.