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edit: idk why this got -fragged

so I have been playing dota a decent amount (about 300 hours) and im looking to try out league since all my friends in person say that league is more fun and that I should try that

is there anything important I need to know or be able to do?

edit: idk why this got -fragged

so I have been playing dota a decent amount (about 300 hours) and im looking to try out league since all my friends in person say that league is more fun and that I should try that

is there anything important I need to know or be able to do?
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There is a set meta and following it is necessary, otherwise people get mad. Leveling to 30 (which is when you can play ranked) takes about a month, give or take. You will need to buy all the champs with IP, which is a free point system where you get points for wins/losses, that also takes a long time. Expect to throw money at the game for this reason, else just pick a few favorites and play them. Find a role in the meta that suits you and what you want to do, experiment with this before 30.

GL!

There is a set meta and following it is necessary, otherwise people get mad. Leveling to 30 (which is when you can play ranked) takes about a month, give or take. You will need to buy all the champs with IP, which is a free point system where you get points for wins/losses, that also takes a long time. Expect to throw money at the game for this reason, else just pick a few favorites and play them. Find a role in the meta that suits you and what you want to do, experiment with this before 30.

GL!
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Pick cute girl character (theres hundreds im sure you acn pick one) -> buy them first thing you do -> play the game until youre rank 30 -> enjoy the game

Pick cute girl character (theres hundreds im sure you acn pick one) -> buy them first thing you do -> play the game until youre rank 30 -> enjoy the game
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downpourPick cute girl character (theres hundreds im sure you acn pick one) -> buy them first thing you do -> play the game until youre rank 30 -> enjoy the game

lmaoo i can tell you watch anime

[quote=downpour]Pick cute girl character (theres hundreds im sure you acn pick one) -> buy them first thing you do -> play the game until youre rank 30 -> enjoy the game[/quote]
lmaoo i can tell you watch anime
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League's p2w by technicality (unless you have like 10k hours you can still spend $$ to get an advantage however small it may be)
League's easier to pick up and learn, though some dota habits might be a problem
Most players speak english but they're still children about the game

I still play league but not dota because I think it's funner and more casual, even though it's completely 100% a worse game imo due to the leveling and points system

Quick list off the top of my head, uh, buying recommended items is enough for bot games, or your first pvp games. Guides on third party websites are generally okay when it comes to itemization when you're new, but having a friend tell you what's good and why is better. Try to skip out on jungling for as long as possible, you'll probably learn when you're capable of it as soon as you are. If you queue with friends on their mains or smurfs, you're gonna have to be against extremely silly matchups in terms of experience or rank, up to you whether you think that's worth it.

The rest would just be dumb or really specific stuff like how to play the game itself as certain roles/heroes so idk, just have fun and don't give a shit if some player smurfing gets mad

League's p2w by technicality (unless you have like 10k hours you can still spend $$ to get an advantage however small it may be)
League's easier to pick up and learn, though some dota habits might be a problem
Most players speak english but they're still children about the game

I still play league but not dota because I think it's funner and more casual, even though it's completely 100% a worse game imo due to the leveling and points system

Quick list off the top of my head, uh, buying recommended items is enough for bot games, or your first pvp games. Guides on third party websites are generally okay when it comes to itemization when you're new, but having a friend tell you what's good and why is better. Try to skip out on jungling for as long as possible, you'll probably learn when you're capable of it as soon as you are. If you queue with friends on their mains or smurfs, you're gonna have to be against extremely silly matchups in terms of experience or rank, up to you whether you think that's worth it.

The rest would just be dumb or really specific stuff like how to play the game itself as certain roles/heroes so idk, just have fun and don't give a shit if some player smurfing gets mad
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+1 licor

the communities are both toxic, but people tend to flame less in league because you need more teamwork in league to win and pissing off your teammates isn't a good idea with that in mind

main differences you should be aware of transitioning:

-can't play all heros/champions upon installing the game
-there's no denying in league
-in league basically you always run a jungler -> don't try this when you're new
-in league, spells are worth alot less than in dota, (basically they're more spammable and don't cost as much mana)
-league is a LOT more casual than dota, if you couldn't tell from the graphics already
-you can run LoL on a toaster
-all champions only have four skills + a passive, no invoker/rubick etc, this makes the learning curve alot more -relaxed instead of the wall that dota is
-league you can't 1v5, or even 3v5 in most situations, teamfighting you need your entire team there or you're at a massive disadvantage
-meta is very fixed, the lanes usually work out to have high utility AD/AP or melee tank top, ap carry/burst mid, support/adc in bot, and a jungler
-you can't lose gold from dying
-you can tp to base at any time
-in league there are bushes/brushes you can stand in that make you invisible
-leavers in league usually that team lost, 4v5 is incredibly hard in league compared to dota

tl;dr - league is more casual than dota, meta doesn't change much, and teamwork is much more important than in dota (you can't win 1v5)

+1 licor

the communities are both toxic, but people tend to flame less in league because you need more teamwork in league to win and pissing off your teammates isn't a good idea with that in mind

main differences you should be aware of transitioning:

-can't play all heros/champions upon installing the game
-there's no denying in league
-in league basically you always run a jungler -> don't try this when you're new
-in league, spells are worth alot less than in dota, (basically they're more spammable and don't cost as much mana)
-league is a LOT more casual than dota, if you couldn't tell from the graphics already
-you can run LoL on a toaster
-all champions only have four skills + a passive, no invoker/rubick etc, this makes the learning curve alot more -relaxed instead of the wall that dota is
-league you can't 1v5, or even 3v5 in most situations, teamfighting you need your entire team there or you're at a massive disadvantage
-meta is very fixed, the lanes usually work out to have high utility AD/AP or melee tank top, ap carry/burst mid, support/adc in bot, and a jungler
-you can't lose gold from dying
-you can tp to base at any time
-in league there are bushes/brushes you can stand in that make you invisible
-leavers in league usually that team lost, 4v5 is incredibly hard in league compared to dota

tl;dr - league is more casual than dota, meta doesn't change much, and teamwork is much more important than in dota (you can't win 1v5)
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sounds like you need new friends shitlord

sounds like you need new friends shitlord
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sleeepysounds like you need new friends shitlord

I agree, but whatever everyone said so far helps. I disagree on the 1v5 part. There's a lot of variables and situations that depend whether one can 4v5, 1v5, and etc. It just depends on the players on your team and who you're up against in the end. Pentakills in League and rampages in Dota 2 are all dependent in the end and I wouldn't say you can win 1v5 in Dota 2, unless your perspective of winning 1v5 is different from mine.

A lot of what fsXD covers major differences, but I wouldn't say that Dota habits would be a problem in most cases or all. It's usually League habits that have bad cases in Dota(like continual aggression and spamming abilities, and etc.). If you want to have a lot of fun, try to get Blitzcrank and go AD on him.

[quote=sleeepy]sounds like you need new friends shitlord[/quote]
I agree, but whatever everyone said so far helps. I disagree on the 1v5 part. There's a lot of variables and situations that depend whether one can 4v5, 1v5, and etc. It just depends on the players on your team and who you're up against in the end. Pentakills in League and rampages in Dota 2 are all dependent in the end and I wouldn't say you can win 1v5 in Dota 2, unless your perspective of winning 1v5 is different from mine.

A lot of what fsXD covers major differences, but I wouldn't say that Dota habits would be a problem in most cases or all. It's usually League habits that have bad cases in Dota(like continual aggression and spamming abilities, and etc.). If you want to have a lot of fun, try to get Blitzcrank and go AD on him.
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only difference
League: skillshots
Dota: no skillshots

only difference
League: skillshots
Dota: no skillshots
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MOOSE_only difference
League: skillshots
Dota: no skillshots

except there are a lot of skillshots in dota

powershot, pudge hook, clockwork hook, sunstrike, potm arrow, etc.

[quote=MOOSE_]only difference
League: skillshots
Dota: no skillshots[/quote]

except there are a lot of skillshots in dota

powershot, pudge hook, clockwork hook, sunstrike, potm arrow, etc.
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dont mind moose hes the resident shit poster

dont mind moose hes the resident shit poster
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Speaking of shit posters, what happened to hithere?

Speaking of shit posters, what happened to hithere?
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dokidokipanicSpeaking of shit posters, what happened to hithere?

or 9v9enthusiast

downpourdont mind moose hes the resident shit poster

http://i.imgur.com/OtwVnnA.png

http://i.imgur.com/EVRniej.png

[quote=dokidokipanic]Speaking of shit posters, what happened to hithere?[/quote]
or 9v9enthusiast

[quote=downpour]dont mind moose hes the resident shit poster[/quote]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/OtwVnnA.png[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/EVRniej.png[/img]
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LicorLeague's p2w by technicality (unless you have like 10k hours you can still spend $$ to get an advantage however small it may be)

It'd be p2w if you could buy Runes with it. Otherwise, it's not - skins and champions are not an advantage in game.

[quote=Licor]League's p2w by technicality (unless you have like 10k hours you can still spend $$ to get an advantage however small it may be)[/quote]
It'd be p2w if you could buy Runes with it. Otherwise, it's not - skins and champions are not an advantage in game.
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rage1LicorLeague's p2w by technicality (unless you have like 10k hours you can still spend $$ to get an advantage however small it may be)It'd be p2w if you could buy Runes with it. Otherwise, it's not - skins and champions are not an advantage in game.

you can buy masteries though
when ranking up to 30 you pretty much have to decide between characters and masteries, because both cost so much IP

[quote=rage1][quote=Licor]League's p2w by technicality (unless you have like 10k hours you can still spend $$ to get an advantage however small it may be)[/quote]
It'd be p2w if you could buy Runes with it. Otherwise, it's not - skins and champions are not an advantage in game.[/quote]
you can buy masteries though
when ranking up to 30 you pretty much have to decide between characters and masteries, because both cost so much IP
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Nah man, your friends should be able to teach you all you need to know.

Also this dude is just asking a question, no need to downfrag him. tf.tvs bias agaisnt league is ridiculuos

Nah man, your friends should be able to teach you all you need to know.

Also this dude is just asking a question, no need to downfrag him. tf.tvs bias agaisnt league is ridiculuos
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#17
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their bias against anything non-tf2 related is laughable

their bias against anything non-tf2 related is laughable
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thmpsndokidokipanicSpeaking of shit posters, what happened to hithere?or 9v9enthusiast
downpourdont mind moose hes the resident shit posterhttp://i.imgur.com/OtwVnnA.png
http://i.imgur.com/EVRniej.png

why did you quote me twice?
and yeah i shitpost anime so what

[quote=thmpsn][quote=dokidokipanic]Speaking of shit posters, what happened to hithere?[/quote]
or 9v9enthusiast

[quote=downpour]dont mind moose hes the resident shit poster[/quote]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/OtwVnnA.png[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/EVRniej.png[/img][/quote]
why did you quote me twice?
and yeah i shitpost anime so what
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LoL is NOT a p2w game. Just because you can buy runes and various cosmetic stuff doesn't mean you are getting any advantage, apart from saving yourself a week of playing. I am playing LoL for a few years now, and I think I've spent like 20 dollars so far, and even that was purely for skins. With every game you get influence points, and with them you can buy stuff like runes. From my experience, it's enough to have around 10k IP to get things like that, and you get that amount fairly fast.

The meta is not a brick in the wall, it's changing all the time. I remember Ashe being played on mid, today I see Alistar top, blitz + tresh on bottom, blitz and azir in jungle, Mundo as support etc. However, people who do try to change meta end up being flamed a lot, which is really shitty because new stuff might work.

I recommend to start playing with Support as it might be a bit more easier at start. Play some games with bots first, just to get a general feeling on the game.

LoL is NOT a p2w game. Just because you can buy runes and various cosmetic stuff doesn't mean you are getting any advantage, apart from saving yourself a week of playing. I am playing LoL for a few years now, and I think I've spent like 20 dollars so far, and even that was purely for skins. With every game you get influence points, and with them you can buy stuff like runes. From my experience, it's enough to have around 10k IP to get things like that, and you get that amount fairly fast.

The meta is not a brick in the wall, it's changing all the time. I remember Ashe being played on mid, today I see Alistar top, blitz + tresh on bottom, blitz and azir in jungle, Mundo as support etc. However, people who do try to change meta end up being flamed a lot, which is really shitty because new stuff might work.

I recommend to start playing with Support as it might be a bit more easier at start. Play some games with bots first, just to get a general feeling on the game.
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I just don't get at all the you can 1v5 on DotA and win the game.. Why would you say that?
The rest is pretty much already said and the best thing on LoL ( on my DotA perspective ) is that you have no ruskies to worry about.

I just don't get at all the you can 1v5 on DotA and win the game.. Why would you say that?
The rest is pretty much already said and the best thing on LoL ( on my DotA perspective ) is that you have no ruskies to worry about.
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Johny_16_I just don't get at all the you can 1v5 on DotA and win the game.. Why would you say that?
The rest is pretty much already said and the best thing on LoL ( on my DotA perspective ) is that you have no ruskies to worry about.

When people say that they mean a carry can 1v5 the enemy team with enough items. This doesn't happen very often in LoL, infact it's an extremely rare occurance, but in DOTA it happens quite alot due to snowballing mechanics and yeah.

[quote=Johny_16_]I just don't get at all the you can 1v5 on DotA and win the game.. Why would you say that?
The rest is pretty much already said and the best thing on LoL ( on my DotA perspective ) is that you have no ruskies to worry about.[/quote]

When people say that they mean a carry can 1v5 the enemy team with enough items. This doesn't happen very often in LoL, infact it's an extremely rare occurance, but in DOTA it happens quite alot due to snowballing mechanics and yeah.
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LinkLeveling to 30 (which is when you can play ranked) takes about a month, give or take.

Or you can be like me and play it for almost 2 years and be still level 24 because I can't take more than 10 matches per month

http://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/jtv_user_pictures/chansub-global-emoticon-ddc6e3a8732cb50f-25x28.png

[quote=Link]Leveling to 30 (which is when you can play ranked) takes about a month, give or take.[/quote]
Or you can be like me and play it for almost 2 years and be still level 24 because I can't take more than 10 matches per month [img]http://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/jtv_user_pictures/chansub-global-emoticon-ddc6e3a8732cb50f-25x28.png[/img]
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surrender at 20

surrender at 20
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rage1LicorLeague's p2w by technicality (unless you have like 10k hours you can still spend $$ to get an advantage however small it may be)It'd be p2w if you could buy Runes with it. Otherwise, it's not - skins and champions are not an advantage in game.Reservoir_dogLoL is NOT a p2w game. Just because you can buy runes and various cosmetic stuff doesn't mean you are getting any advantage, apart from saving yourself a week of playing. I am playing LoL for a few years now, and I think I've spent like 20 dollars so far, and even that was purely for skins. With every game you get influence points, and with them you can buy stuff like runes. From my experience, it's enough to have around 10k IP to get things like that, and you get that amount fairly fast.

If your only champions are sivir and cho'gath, I think it'd be a pretty big advantage to own every champion in the game, and have multiple full rune pages by the time you can start buying tier 3s. If you want to play ranked you have to own 16 champions, buying a load of 450s and 1350s is still pretty costly in terms of time and effort compared to the low low price of opening your wallet.

Aside from the fact I think buying champions IS an ingame advantage, if we ignore that, someone who buys champions with riot points will be infinitely better off once they hit level 30 to have rune pages and be able to fill them. Trying to tell me that a good player won't notice their opposing adc has 9 less armor and 10 less damage than they do at level 1 and get a free lane win on anyone equally skilled is silly.

And my 10k hours clause stands. You're gonna be missing runes so very easily without getting champions with RP over IP. Not to mention there are IP boosters that cut the time it takes to get runes by half. If you actually play the game, grinding out ~75IP average per game, buying all the viable 6300, 4800, 3150, 1350, 450 champions that you need/want, on top of buying the necessary runes for competing against equally skilled players who also have them, is possible, with time. There's nothing about League that says you can't get thousands of games played, devoting your free time to it and no other games or hobbies, but until you hit that point, you will, objectively, not have enough IP for everything you need.

It's not all to say that someone without runes can't beat players with them - I think anyone who plays tf2 at an high level would destroy new players with 10% damage resistance across the board - but a statistical advantage earned by spending ingame currency before the match, in a moba and potential mirror matchup, where you are supposed to be matched against people of your skill level, is a pretty stupid fucking concept to me, and the only way I can play league is by not taking it seriously.

[quote=rage1][quote=Licor]League's p2w by technicality (unless you have like 10k hours you can still spend $$ to get an advantage however small it may be)[/quote]
It'd be p2w if you could buy Runes with it. Otherwise, it's not - skins and champions are not an advantage in game.[/quote]

[quote=Reservoir_dog]LoL is NOT a p2w game. Just because you can buy runes and various cosmetic stuff doesn't mean you are getting any advantage, apart from saving yourself a week of playing. I am playing LoL for a few years now, and I think I've spent like 20 dollars so far, and even that was purely for skins. With every game you get influence points, and with them you can buy stuff like runes. From my experience, it's enough to have around 10k IP to get things like that, and you get that amount fairly fast.[/quote]

If your only champions are sivir and cho'gath, I think it'd be a pretty big advantage to own every champion in the game, and have multiple full rune pages by the time you can start buying tier 3s. If you want to play ranked you have to own 16 champions, buying a load of 450s and 1350s is still pretty costly in terms of time and effort compared to the low low price of opening your wallet.

Aside from the fact I think buying champions IS an ingame advantage, if we ignore that, someone who buys champions with riot points will be infinitely better off once they hit level 30 to have rune pages and be able to fill them. Trying to tell me that a good player won't notice their opposing adc has 9 less armor and 10 less damage than they do at level 1 and get a free lane win on anyone equally skilled is silly.

And my 10k hours clause stands. You're gonna be missing runes so very easily without getting champions with RP over IP. Not to mention there are IP boosters that cut the time it takes to get runes by half. If you actually play the game, grinding out ~75IP average per game, buying all the viable 6300, 4800, 3150, 1350, 450 champions that you need/want, on top of buying the necessary runes for competing against equally skilled players who [i]also[/i] have them, is possible, with time. There's nothing about League that says you can't get thousands of games played, devoting your free time to it and no other games or hobbies, but until you hit that point, you will, objectively, not have enough IP for everything you need.

It's not all to say that someone without runes can't beat players with them - I think anyone who plays tf2 at an high level would destroy new players with 10% damage resistance across the board - but a statistical advantage earned by spending ingame currency before the match, in a moba and potential mirror matchup, where you are supposed to be matched against people of your skill level, is a pretty stupid fucking concept to me, and the only way I can play league is by not taking it seriously.
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You can´t buy runes with real life money(rp), only in-game currency (ip)

You can´t buy runes with real life money(rp), only in-game currency (ip)
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My entire post was literally about how champions cost IP, runes cost IP, and you can save IP by spending RP on champions instead. This leads to having champions + runes, opposed to other players who only have champions or runes, not both.

My entire post was literally about how champions cost IP, runes cost IP, and you can save IP by spending RP on champions instead. This leads to having champions + runes, opposed to other players who only have champions or runes, not both.
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although having to unlock champions certainly is annoying, the game isn't pay-to-win by any stretch

there are plenty of f2p heroes that get rotated every week and by the time you're level 30 you'll have more than enough IP to buy a full set of runes for 1-2 roles

ex:

  • attack speed quints/flat ad reds/flat armor yellows/flat mr blues
  • flat ap quints/mpen reds/flat armor yellows/flat mr blues
although having to unlock champions certainly is annoying, the game isn't pay-to-win by any stretch

there are plenty of f2p heroes that get rotated every week and by the time you're level 30 you'll have more than enough IP to buy a full set of runes for 1-2 roles

ex:

[list]
[*] attack speed quints/flat ad reds/flat armor yellows/flat mr blues
[*] flat ap quints/mpen reds/flat armor yellows/flat mr blues
[/list]
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thmpsn
all my friends in person say that league is more fun

Its not

[quote=thmpsn]

all my friends in person say that league is more fun[/quote]

Its not
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#29
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Having to unlock champs kinda just means you can start ranked with maybe five champs you're capable of playing, or have to grind blind pick normals more before ever playing ranked/draft. I'm not thinking of smurfs who know what they're doing, by the way, like rushing two pubstomp champs they're good with, buying a bunch of filler champs that are cheap, and climbing fast with just a rune page or two.

I suppose you could make the argument that if someone entered the game with the goal in mind to be competing in ranked as soon as it were available to them, rather than just having fun by trying to win games, and were being fed information about what choices to make from level 1, they could choose a few champions, a main role, the proper runes and all for their initial 2 pages, and just hope that they end up liking their versatile adc/ap mid picks until having enough IP to get more champs. Dodging when they ended up forced into jungle or something might end up working badly tho if they're, again, not a smurf who will win 95% of their main role's games.

Idk, I don't think I'll ever agree that being objectively stronger than another player via microtransactions is ever okay, the only thing arguable to me is the degree it impacts the game, and affects how fun anyone thinks it is. If it doesn't make you tired of the game then whatever, even I still play it, personally. I'm just not gonna say it's perfect or has any good decisions in terms of microtransactions outside of cosmetics.

Having to unlock champs kinda just means you can start ranked with maybe five champs you're capable of playing, or have to grind blind pick normals more before ever playing ranked/draft. I'm not thinking of smurfs who know what they're doing, by the way, like rushing two pubstomp champs they're good with, buying a bunch of filler champs that are cheap, and climbing fast with just a rune page or two.

I suppose you could make the argument that if someone entered the game with the goal in mind to be competing in ranked as soon as it were available to them, rather than just having fun by trying to win games, and were being fed information about what choices to make from level 1, they could choose a few champions, a main role, the proper runes and all for their initial 2 pages, and just hope that they end up liking their versatile adc/ap mid picks until having enough IP to get more champs. Dodging when they ended up forced into jungle or something might end up working badly tho if they're, again, not a smurf who will win 95% of their main role's games.

Idk, I don't think I'll ever agree that being objectively stronger than another player via microtransactions is ever okay, the only thing arguable to me is the degree it impacts the game, and affects how fun anyone thinks it is. If it doesn't make you tired of the game then whatever, even I still play it, personally. I'm just not gonna say it's perfect or has any good decisions in terms of microtransactions outside of cosmetics.
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all of ur arguments about pay to win and IP based champion pool being unfair are null when u realize there's only 10-15 champs in the meta at any given time that have a significant advantage over every other of the 200+ champs

every few weeks ull swap one or 2 out bc of riot nerfs but their are are core champs tht have remained for a year+

all of ur arguments about pay to win and IP based champion pool being unfair are null when u realize there's only 10-15 champs in the meta at any given time that have a significant advantage over every other of the 200+ champs

every few weeks ull swap one or 2 out bc of riot nerfs but their are are core champs tht have remained for a year+
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