phAZESaltysally1i don't understand wasn't steel cut before the match fixing happened or am i mistaken?
Steel was part of IBP when they threw the match against netcodeguides. He left the team several months after the match fixing.
Steel got kicked alongside with DaZeD a few weeks before DHW, in one of the dumbest roster decisions ever made.
[quote=phAZE][quote=Saltysally1]i don't understand wasn't steel cut before the match fixing happened or am i mistaken?[/quote]
Steel was part of IBP when they threw the match against netcodeguides. He left the team several months after the match fixing.[/quote]
Steel got kicked alongside with DaZeD a few weeks before DHW, in one of the dumbest roster decisions ever made.
Ond_kajaphAZESaltysally1i don't understand wasn't steel cut before the match fixing happened or am i mistaken?
Steel was part of IBP when they threw the match against netcodeguides. He left the team several months after the match fixing.
Steel got kicked alongside with DaZeD a few weeks befo
Fixed match was on august 21
steel and DaZeD got kicked november 6
http://www.hltv.org/news/13995-ex-ibp-involved-in-betting-scandal
http://www.hltv.org/news/13567-ibuypower-dismiss-steel-dazed
[quote=Ond_kaja][quote=phAZE][quote=Saltysally1]i don't understand wasn't steel cut before the match fixing happened or am i mistaken?[/quote]
Steel was part of IBP when they threw the match against netcodeguides. He left the team several months after the match fixing.[/quote]
Steel got kicked alongside with DaZeD a few weeks befo[/quote]
Fixed match was on august 21
steel and DaZeD got kicked november 6
http://www.hltv.org/news/13995-ex-ibp-involved-in-betting-scandal
http://www.hltv.org/news/13567-ibuypower-dismiss-steel-dazed
miwoAs it should be.
Any other major league sport would give out the same punishment for match-fixing.
If you look at the starcraft 1 match fixing scandal, people were actually fined by the government for this shit. Some of the bigger fines were up to approximately 12000 usd.
[quote=miwo]As it should be.
Any other major league sport would give out the same punishment for match-fixing.[/quote]
If you look at the [url=http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Match_Fixing_Scandal]starcraft 1 match fixing scandal[/url], people were actually fined by the government for this shit. Some of the bigger fines were up to approximately 12000 usd.
Valve doesn't sponsor any of our tournaments stoned :p
Valve doesn't sponsor any of our tournaments stoned :p
Pharaohhttp://youtu.be/tWnMDnzVygo?t=15s
His pupils are way too large...
He used something...
[quote=Pharaoh][youtube]http://youtu.be/tWnMDnzVygo?t=15s[/youtube][/quote]
His pupils are way too large...
He used something...
on esea they are only banned for a year
on esea they are only banned for a year
thmpsnon esea they are only banned for a year
While the initial bans placed are set to expire in one year's time, ESEA reserves the right to extend the bans indefinitely.
[quote=thmpsn]on esea they are only banned for a year[/quote]
While the initial bans placed are set to expire in one year's time, ESEA reserves the right to extend the bans indefinitely.
EDIT: Wait a sec, did iBuyPower foresee this and dropped them?
EDIT: Wait a sec, did iBuyPower foresee this and dropped them?
Shazam should also be banned. There's proof he used insider information and won skins.
Shazam should also be banned. There's proof he used insider information and won skins.
I was talking to someone last night, and they raised a good point. In valves statement, they made it clear pros should not partake in betting, and this was now against their policy. Now no one can think match fixing isn't a bannable offense, but they just made that rule as they banned the players. Im not sure this first time offense in the scene should have been such a career ending one. This is the first time (AFAIK) that valve stepped in to expose something like this, and with no prior statement saying they had rules that applied to other leagues not run by them.
What do you think?
I was talking to someone last night, and they raised a good point. In valves statement, they made it clear pros should not partake in betting, and this was now against their policy. Now no one can think match fixing isn't a bannable offense, but they just made that rule as they banned the players. Im not sure this first time offense in the scene should have been such a career ending one. This is the first time (AFAIK) that valve stepped in to expose something like this, and with no prior statement saying they had rules that applied to other leagues not run by them.
What do you think?
down the line, they always have the power to lessen the bans
however, i think as a precedent, this needed to happen
down the line, they always have the power to lessen the bans
however, i think as a precedent, this needed to happen
https://twitter.com/esportsseinfeld/status/560120083150684161?s=09
cage-I was talking to someone last night, and they raised a good point. In valves statement, they made it clear pros should not partake in betting, and this was now against their policy. Now no one can think match fixing isn't a bannable offense, but they just made that rule as they banned the players. Im not sure this first time offense in the scene should have been such a career ending one. This is the first time (AFAIK) that valve stepped in to expose something like this, and with no prior statement saying they had rules that applied to other leagues not run by them.
What do you think?
i definitely think they deserve to be banned for life
throwing matches destroys the entire point of competing in anything
it's already really lame having seen people do this at fighting game tournaments i've been to and know the people fixing these matches (for about $500 total), but it's another thing doing this to other people for thousands of dollars of in-game items
they knew what they were doing and should have known the consequences if they got caught
[quote=cage-]I was talking to someone last night, and they raised a good point. In valves statement, they made it clear pros should not partake in betting, and this was now against their policy. Now no one can think match fixing isn't a bannable offense, but they just made that rule as they banned the players. Im not sure this first time offense in the scene should have been such a career ending one. This is the first time (AFAIK) that valve stepped in to expose something like this, and with no prior statement saying they had rules that applied to other leagues not run by them.
What do you think?[/quote]
i definitely think they deserve to be banned for life
throwing matches destroys the entire point of competing in anything
it's already really lame having seen people do this at fighting game tournaments i've been to and know the people fixing these matches (for about $500 total), but it's another thing doing this to other people for thousands of dollars of in-game items
they knew what they were doing and should have known the consequences if they got caught
cage-I was talking to someone last night, and they raised a good point. In valves statement, they made it clear pros should not partake in betting, and this was now against their policy. Now no one can think match fixing isn't a bannable offense, but they just made that rule as they banned the players. Im not sure this first time offense in the scene should have been such a career ending one. This is the first time (AFAIK) that valve stepped in to expose something like this, and with no prior statement saying they had rules that applied to other leagues not run by them.
What do you think?
To be honest I think Valve is also partially to blame as they always are in that they're extremely lax about their games. Especially with CSGO getting as big as it is, it's unacceptable to not have an overarching ruleset that can be enforced by Valve. To be honest, I think the whole banned from life from VALVE TOURNAMENTS??? is the dumbest punishment there could be. In the grand scheme of matchfixing, I don't think this will even do anything. If I were interested in a huge matchfixing scandal where I received over $10k in skins, I wouldn't expect to go to Valve tournaments anyway. If I were scummy, that's something I'd do right before quitting, because I don't get VAC banned and I'm not going to be participating in a major anyway.
What I think would've been better is a fine. Fines ensure that the money won isn't even worth the entire process. Maybe with a ban thrown in at the same time, like a year-long ban. But then again, Valve doesn't have any ruleset laid out for this type of jurisdiction. They can't just on-the-fly decide to fine people, but since the majors are their tournaments, they can technically ban whomever they like. Fining actual money is a lot trickier. So now we have 4 of arguably the best players in NA banned for life completely arbitrarily, setting a "precedent" that I don't even think is scary.
And by no means am I defending their actions. I just don't like applauding something that could've been handled better.
[quote=cage-]I was talking to someone last night, and they raised a good point. In valves statement, they made it clear pros should not partake in betting, and this was now against their policy. Now no one can think match fixing isn't a bannable offense, but they just made that rule as they banned the players. Im not sure this first time offense in the scene should have been such a career ending one. This is the first time (AFAIK) that valve stepped in to expose something like this, and with no prior statement saying they had rules that applied to other leagues not run by them.
What do you think?[/quote]
To be honest I think Valve is also partially to blame as they [i]always are[/i] in that they're extremely lax about their games. Especially with CSGO getting as big as it is, it's unacceptable to not have an overarching ruleset that can be enforced by Valve. To be honest, I think the whole banned from life from VALVE TOURNAMENTS??? is the dumbest punishment there could be. In the grand scheme of matchfixing, I don't think this will even do anything. If I were interested in a huge matchfixing scandal where I received over $10k in skins, I wouldn't expect to go to Valve tournaments anyway. If I were scummy, that's something I'd do right before quitting, because I don't get VAC banned and I'm not going to be participating in a major anyway.
What I think would've been better is a fine. Fines ensure that the money won isn't even worth the entire process. Maybe with a ban thrown in at the same time, like a year-long ban. But then again, Valve doesn't have any ruleset laid out for this type of jurisdiction. They can't just on-the-fly decide to fine people, but since the majors are their tournaments, they can technically ban whomever they like. Fining actual money is a lot trickier. So now we have 4 of arguably the best players in NA banned [i]for life[/i] completely arbitrarily, setting a "precedent" that I don't even think is scary.
And by no means am I defending their actions. I just don't like applauding something that could've been handled better.
clckwrkWhat I think would've been better is a fine. Fines ensure that the money won isn't even worth the entire process. Maybe with a ban thrown in at the same time, like a year-long ban. But then again, Valve doesn't have any ruleset laid out for this type of jurisdiction. They can't just on-the-fly decide to fine people, but since the majors are their tournaments, they can technically ban whomever they like. Fining actual money is a lot trickier. So now we have 4 of arguably the best players in NA banned for life completely arbitrarily, setting a "precedent" that I don't even think is scary.
i feel like unless the fine is substantially more than what they won in skins this would result in more of a "lets do it and worst case scenario we wasted our time, best case scenario we make some free money". better to chance someone match fixing at the end of their career than leaving it open to be abused by lax punishment the rest of the time
if youre scummy enough to shit all over the fans that are the reason you get to play games for a living, i think a lifetime ban is the perfect punishment. The ban wasnt just about match fixing its about insuring that the people representing the esport arent a bunch of retards doing retarded shit
[quote=clckwrk]
What I think would've been better is a fine. Fines ensure that the money won isn't even worth the entire process. Maybe with a ban thrown in at the same time, like a year-long ban. But then again, Valve doesn't have any ruleset laid out for this type of jurisdiction. They can't just on-the-fly decide to fine people, but since the majors are their tournaments, they can technically ban whomever they like. Fining actual money is a lot trickier. So now we have 4 of arguably the best players in NA banned [i]for life[/i] completely arbitrarily, setting a "precedent" that I don't even think is scary.
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i feel like unless the fine is substantially more than what they won in skins this would result in more of a "lets do it and worst case scenario we wasted our time, best case scenario we make some free money". better to chance someone match fixing at the end of their career than leaving it open to be abused by lax punishment the rest of the time
if youre scummy enough to shit all over the fans that are the reason you get to play games for a living, i think a lifetime ban is the perfect punishment. The ban wasnt just about match fixing its about insuring that the people representing the esport arent a bunch of retards doing retarded shit
[img]http://i.imgur.com/ZHpVgum.jpg[/img] lol
Wait so they shouldn't be banned for life? Only a year+a fine? This is much worse than a year and a fine. I'm pretty sure that not playing cs ever again in tournaments is worse than a fine. For some of these people, this is all they do. No player will match fix as they know their career will be over.
Wait so they shouldn't be banned for life? Only a year+a fine? This is much worse than a year and a fine. I'm pretty sure that not playing cs ever again in tournaments is worse than a fine. For some of these people, this is all they do. No player will match fix as they know their career will be over.
if it was me i would have the guy bet all his skins against me then i try super hard so he loses all them
if it was me i would have the guy bet all his skins against me then i try super hard so he loses all them
Pro players that have been banned from this deserved the ban. How can you call yourself a "professional" if you're throwing your team's matches. This is bad for the team, your sponsors, and eSports in general.
As for the ban for life, I can see it's pros and cons. One being that it will hopefully let other pro players know that this is unacceptable and that this is the result if you match-fix, thus preventing more match-fixes. But a life ban could be a disaster, some pro gamers that stick to their game, make it their "life/career" pretty much. Also a life ban is a lot in the end, a 1-2 year ban with a fine would've been better.
Pro players that have been banned from this deserved the ban. How can you call yourself a "professional" if you're throwing your team's matches. This is bad for the team, your sponsors, and eSports in general.
As for the ban for life, I can see it's pros and cons. One being that it will hopefully let other pro players know that this is unacceptable and that this is the result if you match-fix, thus preventing more match-fixes. But a life ban could be a disaster, some pro gamers that stick to their game, make it their "life/career" pretty much. Also a life ban is a lot in the end, a 1-2 year ban with a fine would've been better.
some1 at valve lost their bet and got upset
some1 at valve lost their bet and got upset
clckwrkWhat I think would've been better is a fine. Fines ensure that the money won isn't even worth the entire process. Maybe with a ban thrown in at the same time, like a year-long ban. But then again, Valve doesn't have any ruleset laid out for this type of jurisdiction. They can't just on-the-fly decide to fine people, but since the majors are their tournaments, they can technically ban whomever they like. Fining actual money is a lot trickier. So now we have 4 of arguably the best players in NA banned for life completely arbitrarily, setting a "precedent" that I don't even think is scary.
And by no means am I defending their actions. I just don't like applauding something that could've been handled better.
I don't think valve has that power unless they make them pay to play in their tournaments again. Unless I'm missing some big contract like LoL has for all its players, there is no real regulation. I do agree that this is actually still a half-assed response because it literally came from nowhere and they haven't announced any steps to help regulate this shit beyond setting this precedent like you said. It's too bad valve wants to be laissez faire as possible aside from when they can make money selling stuff.
[quote=clckwrk]What I think would've been better is a fine. Fines ensure that the money won isn't even worth the entire process. Maybe with a ban thrown in at the same time, like a year-long ban. But then again, Valve doesn't have any ruleset laid out for this type of jurisdiction. They can't just on-the-fly decide to fine people, but since the majors are their tournaments, they can technically ban whomever they like. Fining actual money is a lot trickier. So now we have 4 of arguably the best players in NA banned [i]for life[/i] completely arbitrarily, setting a "precedent" that I don't even think is scary.
And by no means am I defending their actions. I just don't like applauding something that could've been handled better.[/quote]
I don't think valve has that power unless they make them pay to play in their tournaments again. Unless I'm missing some big contract like LoL has for all its players, there is no real regulation. I do agree that this is actually still a half-assed response because it literally came from nowhere and they haven't announced any steps to help regulate this shit beyond setting this precedent like you said. It's too bad valve wants to be laissez faire as possible aside from when they can make money selling stuff.
[quote=Pharaoh][youtube]http://youtu.be/tWnMDnzVygo?t=15s[/youtube][/quote]
Looks like baby Ruwin
brownymasterclckwrkWhat I think would've been better is a fine. Fines ensure that the money won isn't even worth the entire process. Maybe with a ban thrown in at the same time, like a year-long ban. But then again, Valve doesn't have any ruleset laid out for this type of jurisdiction. They can't just on-the-fly decide to fine people, but since the majors are their tournaments, they can technically ban whomever they like. Fining actual money is a lot trickier. So now we have 4 of arguably the best players in NA banned for life completely arbitrarily, setting a "precedent" that I don't even think is scary.
And by no means am I defending their actions. I just don't like applauding something that could've been handled better.
I don't think valve has that power unless they make them pay to play in their tournaments again. Unless I'm missing some big contract like LoL has for all its players, there is no real regulation. I do agree that this is actually still a half-assed response because it literally came from nowhere and they haven't announced any steps to help regulate this shit beyond setting this precedent like you said. It's too bad valve wants to be laissez faire as possible aside from when they can make money selling stuff.
Yeah I don't really know the specifics, but it's classic valve basically. If they ever manage to fix the smokes in CS or fix matchmaking servers in either dota or CS, you'd best bet everyone will be thanking them for "fixing everything," when the fix will probably bring about new problems and should have been issued much sooner. Based valve yo
[quote=brownymaster][quote=clckwrk]What I think would've been better is a fine. Fines ensure that the money won isn't even worth the entire process. Maybe with a ban thrown in at the same time, like a year-long ban. But then again, Valve doesn't have any ruleset laid out for this type of jurisdiction. They can't just on-the-fly decide to fine people, but since the majors are their tournaments, they can technically ban whomever they like. Fining actual money is a lot trickier. So now we have 4 of arguably the best players in NA banned [i]for life[/i] completely arbitrarily, setting a "precedent" that I don't even think is scary.
And by no means am I defending their actions. I just don't like applauding something that could've been handled better.[/quote]
I don't think valve has that power unless they make them pay to play in their tournaments again. Unless I'm missing some big contract like LoL has for all its players, there is no real regulation. I do agree that this is actually still a half-assed response because it literally came from nowhere and they haven't announced any steps to help regulate this shit beyond setting this precedent like you said. It's too bad valve wants to be laissez faire as possible aside from when they can make money selling stuff.[/quote]
Yeah I don't really know the specifics, but it's classic valve basically. If they ever manage to fix the smokes in CS or fix matchmaking servers in either dota or CS, you'd best bet everyone will be thanking them for "fixing everything," when the fix will probably bring about new problems and should have been issued much sooner. Based valve yo
4G to throw lan for some major cash dolla
4G to throw lan for some major cash dolla
I already tried to throw lan last season when I ran spy to middle but elevate couldn't handle it
I already tried to throw lan last season when I ran spy to middle but elevate couldn't handle it
[img]http://i.imgur.com/xC90PF3.png[/img]
clckwrkI already tried to throw lan last season when I ran spy to middle but elevate couldn't handle it
I don't know if its considered throwing harder than us running pyro and sniper to mid
[quote=clckwrk]I already tried to throw lan last season when I ran spy to middle but elevate couldn't handle it[/quote]
I don't know if its considered throwing harder than us running pyro and sniper to mid
the inferior team is never throwing
the inferior team is never throwing