you didn't answer the question he actually asked, you answered why pedophilia is wrong. at no point did he say it was morally right or wrong, he simply asked how it was different than being gay. Its a sexuality. Its a fucked up sexuality, and one that is illegal, but if you're going to say that homosexuality isn't a mental illness, then you can't say that pedophilia is.

its wrong, but its a sexuality.

i agree with that, but not so long ago homosexuality was treated with the same kind of disgust that pedophilia is.

in no way is a sexual relationship with a child ever okay, for any reason, but both pedophilia and homosexuality are sexualities.

elliott we need to hear you say that youre not defending pedophilia because you are one or this thread is gonna get hostile

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Pedophillia and rape are two different things.

This is the kind of attitude that prevents pedophiles from trying to get help to control their urges. People can't help who they find sexually attractive. I agree that people who abuse children in any way should be put in prison and never go near a child again however people who are attracted to children should get help and support so they never do abuse any kids. Prevention is the key to the problem of pedophilia and if the government and society supported people with these sexual urges to get help instead of ridiculing then I believe the amount of child abuse cases would drop significantly.

ofc not

however prosecuting ppl because of it, as well as the way its discussed and viewed is very damaging . The draconian response measures deter ppl from seeking help (not good) and the stigma against pedophiles ofc deters them from seeking help even more. its silly tbh

also the way ppl view it and try to justify its moral badness is bad too because you need a SOLID reason to be against it imo so that u dont start a slippery slope that ends w/ ppl getting therapy for sodomy or smthn

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are you really comparing two consenting adults of the same sex to someone who wants to fuck a child as both "sexualities"? you are a goddamn idiot air

this thread makes me sad :c

You're missing the point, which is that neither homosexuality or pedophilia are something someone can choose to be or not to be. It's obviously not being 100% equated to it.

I'm not assuming pedophilia is rape. I gave multiple sourced justifications as to why children cannot consent to sexual activity. It's literally at the top of the post, I encourage you to reread it. The only "logical leap" I made was that the seizure of someone's autonomy by another is not morally correct, which I'm assuming is pretty well accepted by everyone. The train of thought is such: Taking away someone's bodily autonomy is wrong. Rape is a violation of someone's bodily autonomy because the victim has not consented. A child cannot consent to sexual activity with an adult(for the reasons I mentioned in my last post). Therefore, sexual activity between an adult and a child is a violation of the victim's bodily autonomy.

You're right. In my opinion, pedophilia (even without acting on it) is morally wrong because it creates a market for child pornography and child sex slavery (which is bad for reasons I previously mentioned). But I don't really want to get into that discussion.

I said why homosexuality is different than pedophilia at the bottom of my post. To summarize, the distinction is the ability to consent.

c ur not explaining why they arent

ur starting at the end of the argmnt

this is the prob w/ this thng

bcuz no one says WHY pedophilia is bad from a moral standpoint

like in a perfect example

where there is a child

who is

perfectly competent

in a way akin to an adullt

would u be against the cild fuikkn a 30 year old?

because if yes, you need to explain why, since no argument yet has :\

usually the opposite is the path people take.
They're like gay -> animal fucking.

On your moral argument: It's harm onto something that is incapable of actually fighting back.

HE'S NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE BOTH OK OR THAT NEITHER IS OK

THEY ARE SEXUALITIES. You don't get to pick what you're attracted to and while I agree that pedophilia is objectively wrong, I don't think that pedophiles can help their attractions. What they can do is keep themselves from acting on those urges.

someone who wants to "fuck a child" has the sexuality of being attracted to children. a sexuality is someone's sexual preference or attraction, if you're attracted to children thats what your sexuality is. if you're attracted to the same sex that is your sexuality. consent doesn't factor into what sexuality you have.

just because its wrong doesn't change what it is.

owl stop defending me

hey elliot how r u enjoying intro to logic

i'd disagree because i can fuck a 90 pound woman just fine, whereas a 10 year old boy can easily be ~130 pounds and near ur height if ur a manlet

also i took ethics 101 eat a dick nerd

you cant just nonchalantly say that someones existence is morally wrong, and then not want to get into that discussion. In the past, it was not uncommon for men to take wives that were still quite young. granted, it was usually 13 years or older, but at what point can we say that someone is mature enough? what is old enough? when were the laws granting age of consent added? what was the average age of marriage at the time? theres way too much gray area for you to just generalize like that.

i think you need to slow down

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To those who are saying that if pedophilia is a mental illness then so is homosexuality should probably look up what a mental illness actually is. The very first sentence you get from Wikipedia if you google mental illness is -

"A mental disorder, also called a mental illness or psychiatric disorder, is a mental or behavioral pattern or anomaly that causes either suffering or an impaired ability to function in ordinary life"

Pedophilia is a sexual preference and a mental anomaly that causes suffering and an impaired ability to function in ordinary life to both the person with the disorder and the victims of it.

Homosexuality is a sexual preference and a mental anomaly that causes happiness, love and pleasure to those who consent to it.

Homosexuality is not an illness of any kind and pedophilia is. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just ignorant of the facts.

i didnt proof read i cant actually rape anyone sorry

kind of sad about the opening post because he was one of two csgo streamers that i actually watched/followed on twitch

also the arguments going on in this topic are really silly

idk how people can possibly relate being gay as having a mental illness or being the same thing as pedophilia, but it doesn't surprise me that people can think that way in the slightest

I didn't really want to get into this discussion because it kind of upsets me, but I guess I should've elaborated more. To answer your question, I Canada's laws are a good baseline as far as age of consent laws go. (http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/other-autre/clp/faq.html).
Yes I'm generalizing, but I feel like in this situation it's much better to err on the side of caution, especially when it's children's lives and wellbeings at stake.
Keep in mind, things like lynching, beating your wife, and yes, marrying a 13 year old were legally acceptable not too long ago. Today, there's no legal grey area there.

i know of one person in this community whos doing this hmmm

you know who u are

this isnt about legal gray areas. you specifically mentioned moral standpoints. however, this thread is already dying, so im not gonna say much more.

http://i.imgur.com/Ycjqfq4.gif

You'd probably lose a fight to an 8 year old with brittle bone disease in actuality but hypothetically, sure.
At it's root, it's an extreme example of Submissive/Dominant relationships. Given that a child is mentally frail and has very little capability of actually arguing it's merits you have the dominant hand. Similar to rape fantasies, it's a power fetish. Given that the submissive party has no way of resisting (in actuality -- get your pedant bullshit out of here, manlet) it is equivalent to rape. If your sexuality is dependent on the other party being invalid, it is wrong.
Homosexuality does not rely on this power structure to exist. It can exist in equals.
If your argument is that a 13 year old can have the same mental faculties as a 30 year old, you have a semi-valid point (as well as an irl example in yourself). There are different rates of maturity, and they can have extremes. However, because of these being minutia at best, it is blanketed as wrong.

"You'd probably lose a fight to an 8 year old with brittle bone disease,"

:(

i liked the rest of ur post it was GREAT sick epic cool

http://i.imgur.com/ZrCtq7k.jpg

Where is the guy that wanked onto the picture of some guys kid?

This thread is setting the mood for an ama