First off, I've renamed myself MGE Mighty in memory of this: http://www.teamfortress.tv/thread/25877/bash-my-mge . Now thats out of the way, I feel like my gamesense isn't improving at all with TF2C. I've watched a few Pocket and Roamer PoVs, and I feel like the people in lobbies are way more aggressive and think less. I'm looking for a way to improve my gamesense and actually make use of any skill I will obtain through MGE. I've tried to put off learning to pocket for a long time because of my sh** gamesense, but now that I actually play pocket, I think it would be really good for me to get better at it.
join a team
acquire demos of your play
get a mentor
review the demos of your play
if you dont want to get a mentor, rewatch your demos and every time you do something, think "why did I do that" if you dont have a good reason, dont do it anymore
acquire demos of your play
get a mentor
review the demos of your play
if you dont want to get a mentor, rewatch your demos and every time you do something, think "why did I do that" if you dont have a good reason, dont do it anymore
It comes with time playing the game.
Review your own demos, other players/team's demos. Get a feel for how aggressive you can be in certain situations, when to fall back, when to spam, avoiding damage. It's so hard to just say one, two, three or even more things for you to do - just play really.
b4nny has an excellent stream where he does a lot of demo reviews and has a fantastic insight to the game. Go check out some of his vods or watch him some time
I have a bunch of random povs/demo reviews on my yt which are kinda old, but still somewhat relevant.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjN-ECx3wIeuAx_07155e94QplXAORCXJ
There are plenty of other resources out there for you. Combine them with playing and over time you will improve
good luck
Review your own demos, other players/team's demos. Get a feel for how aggressive you can be in certain situations, when to fall back, when to spam, avoiding damage. It's so hard to just say one, two, three or even more things for you to do - just play really.
b4nny has an excellent stream where he does a lot of demo reviews and has a fantastic insight to the game. Go check out some of his vods or watch him some time
I have a bunch of random povs/demo reviews on my yt which are kinda old, but still somewhat relevant.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjN-ECx3wIeuAx_07155e94QplXAORCXJ
There are plenty of other resources out there for you. Combine them with playing and over time you will improve
good luck
Don't exclusively try to acquire gamesense for the class you play. The more understanding you have of the classes and things around you the better your decision making will be as a whole.
honestly I find that watching some casts of high level games and actually really concentrating on the movements and timings of the players helps
You mentioned that you're not improving with lobbies. Try out tf2pug.me (although you might get fatkidded at first) and inhouse pugs, those generally have a higher level of skill and tend to be taken more seriously. As others have said though, the best way to improve your gamesense is to search for and find a team and scrim with them
TwistedDon't exclusively try to acquire gamesense for the class you play. The more understanding you have of the classes and things around you the better your decision making will be as a whole.
As Fire said, this is important. Typically, you acquire good gamesense as a whole, but don't try to specifically work on gamesense for just one class.
I think most people who have bad gamesense are people who have a really awful understanding of their surroundings and environment. They don't check around them all that much, tunnel vision hard, are oblivious to a lot of simple things, and have a difficult time anticipating certain plays that the opponent(s) can possibly do. A lot of this can be obtained by playing pugs/scrims/matches and reviewing your own demos. You won't get good gamesense in a day, but it's very achievable for most people.
As Fire said, this is important. Typically, you acquire good gamesense as a whole, but don't try to specifically work on gamesense for just one class.
I think most people who have bad gamesense are people who have a really awful understanding of their surroundings and environment. They don't check around them all that much, tunnel vision hard, are oblivious to a lot of simple things, and have a difficult time anticipating certain plays that the opponent(s) can possibly do. A lot of this can be obtained by playing pugs/scrims/matches and reviewing your own demos. You won't get good gamesense in a day, but it's very achievable for most people.
What i do as roamer/pocket is just load up the map on a local server and play around on it. I try to find strong places to stand, various jumps, hiding spots, spam angles, etc. Another thing to remember as roamer is to NEVER jump/push from the same spot twice. Learning jumps like the window jump onto ramp on snakewater will let you do this even more effectively
think about why you died after every death, try to recognize patterns and not make the same mistake over and over
Mightyhttp://www.teamfortress.tv/thread/25877/bash-my-mge
why did that server have damage spread?
why did that server have damage spread?
KhanYou mentioned that you're not improving with lobbies. Try out tf2pug.me (although you might get fatkidded at first) and inhouse pugs, those generally have a higher level of skill and tend to be taken more seriously. As others have said though, the best way to improve your gamesense is to search for and find a team and scrim with them
I am a fat kid.
I really think a lot of this isn't really a complete gamesense issue, but its also a confidence issue. I've never had any confidence in myself, and the one time I did have confidence I was a decent pocket. This is why I a lot of the time play roamer, because having a team on your back makes you need even more confidence. I don't think I should go to tf2pug.me at this stage, because being fatkidded in a place with better players is probably the worst thing for me. Some of the people in lobbies that dominate me on leveled playing fields are people that I can go 20-10 with consistently with in MGE, which is another reason I think my mentality is my problem.
owlget a mentor
I think this is what I really need.
aieraMightyhttp://www.teamfortress.tv/thread/25877/bash-my-mgewhy did that server have damage spread?
lol idk. At least now I have something to laugh at after that thread...
[s]I am a fat kid.[/s]
I really think a lot of this isn't really a complete gamesense issue, but its also a confidence issue. I've never had any confidence in myself, and the one time I did have confidence I was a decent pocket. This is why I a lot of the time play roamer, because having a team on your back makes you need even more confidence. I don't think I should go to tf2pug.me at this stage, because being fatkidded in a place with better players is probably the worst thing for me. Some of the people in lobbies that dominate me on leveled playing fields are people that I can go 20-10 with consistently with in MGE, which is another reason I think my mentality is my problem.
[quote=owl]get a mentor[/quote]
I think this is what I really need.
[quote=aiera][quote=Mighty]http://www.teamfortress.tv/thread/25877/bash-my-mge[/quote]
why did that server have damage spread?[/quote]
lol idk. At least now I have something to laugh at after that thread...
play pugs/dm/scrims/matches instead of mge because it sounds like you play it too much and it probably puts you in a DM focused mentality (instead of focusing on the strategy of the game which is what you want). Like some newer roamers (such as a certain individual whose name rhymes with Leon), you may also think that you need to consistently make huge plays, win 1v1s on flank, etc. Though this is clearly more fun than simply playing on flank and taking smart fights (2v1s and such), it can often get you killed and will screw over the rest of your team. The main priorities should be making sure nobody gets in through flank and forcing the enemy medic when they are pushing with advantage.
Watching demos of better players is never a bad idea, but learning from your own mistakes is sometimes easier to wrap your head around. It's definitely a good idea to ask yourself why you did something and if you die, what mistakes you made.
Watching demos of better players is never a bad idea, but learning from your own mistakes is sometimes easier to wrap your head around. It's definitely a good idea to ask yourself why you did something and if you die, what mistakes you made.
Maybe just play instead of trying to get attention in TF2C chat
18:34:39 MGE Mighty: no blacks pls
18:34:55 fsidu: does the current al system try to balance friends & teammates against each other in the interest of removing that pre-existing chemistry etc. or nah?
18:34:57 locals only: even cloudmaker has HL stats and he he hates hl
18:35:02 MGE Mighty: NO BLACK PEOPLE PLEASE
18:35:21 cloudmaker: haha
18:35:26 MGE Mighty: WHITIES ONLY
[quote]18:34:39 MGE Mighty: no blacks pls
18:34:55 fsidu: does the current al system try to balance friends & teammates against each other in the interest of removing that pre-existing chemistry etc. or nah?
18:34:57 locals only: even cloudmaker has HL stats and he he hates hl
18:35:02 MGE Mighty: NO BLACK PEOPLE PLEASE
18:35:21 cloudmaker: haha
18:35:26 MGE Mighty: WHITIES ONLY[/quote]
You don't just put on the mge tag because you fucked up
You have to earn it
You have to earn it