This is what TF2 deserves with its blind, "short term gain, long term pain" support of ESEA.

^ I mean in actuality it's quite the opposite but okay

Thursday@10:30 apparently :'(

https://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&d=match&id=5132696

NICE ONE ESEA

wondering why are these ESEA admins are paid to do their job

they did do their job retard they have no control over the client being updated

it's their job to make sure it's updated. update has been out since 5 days.

Their job is to run the league. They aren't programmers, and they aren't the bosses of the client programmers most likely. I don't see how it's their responsibility at all.

They are probably as pissed because it's making it hard to do their own job.

I think his point was the someone is paid to keep to client up to date and isn't doing their job. He just used the wrong word, but point still stands.

I'm not so sure it isn't their job. One of the things I discussed with ESEA when trying to become an admin myself was greater transparency between the league and the community. The TF2 admins can't go update the client, that shouldn't be expected. But they should be serving as the line of communcation between the league and the players. This is playoffs, invite playoffs: the most important time for everyone involved with ESEA TF2. You would think the TF2 admins would be ensuring the functionality of the esea client via communicating through the appropriate channels; and should they be unable to have the client determined as functional, they should be communicating with the players, the broadcasters, somebody on the community side, to ensure 15 people do not set aside time to participate in a thing that will not be happening, and the thousands interested in seeing the thing do not keep getting their hopes up.

I'm sure the current ESEA TF2 admins have their own frustrations, and it wouldn't be right to peg this just on them, but I still feel that lack of transparency and communcation with the TF2 community is damning as well as mind-boggling..

Where tf is Tri

And Killing?

Bloodsire deserve to be admin.

Killing was playing DOTA during the whole wait.

honestly I couldn't agree more with you, but really what are they going to "communicate" thats going to make the situation better? tell you that its being worked on when you already know its being worked on? They have 0 power when it comes to fixing or updating the client/servers so I really don't understand the witch hunting. I can't speak for killing cause I don't ask him for help much but tri is ALWAYS on point when asking him to take care of reschedules, tickets or problems within his capability.

The situation sucks, and I agree that it sucks, but everyone needs to chill and realize that our three tf2 admins make up a tiny percentage of the ESEA company and its not all on them to make everything magically work, this is a problem with ESEA at its core not our community admins. so please stop the bandwagon hate, they do as much as they are capable of doing.

(also why is everyone saying its tri and killings job to make sure the client updated? it literally isn't)

We aren't asking them to communicate with us the status of the client. It really shouldn't ever come to that. The communication needs to be from the admins to the programmers. Outside of a late night update there is NO excuse that the client isn't updated. Valve has a service to give early notice on updates (that is how wickedplayer is so fast), and tftv is super active whenever there is an update. Even if the programmer doesn't keep up with it the admins should be on top of it and bother them over and over until it's fixed. And if admins are afraid of bothering a programmer to do their job you shouldn't be an admin of anything...

yeah because cevo was infinitely better and had a great client that was always updated

wait

I 100% agree with you, but I also know for a fact that shooter and tri are always informing the programmers of the updates and at that point its really out of their hands as the tf2 admins. ESEA prolly has all their guys focused on all the cs go servers and updates unfortunately, but our TF2 admins are certainly informing the programmers of required updates. Once again its the fault of ESEA at its core not our TF2 admins.

I adore casting, but multiple times this season I (and others) have cancelled plans only to have client issues cause us to not only not be able to talk about video games.. but end up blowing people/things off for no reason.

Now if TF2 updates an hour before the match? Acceptable but still rather annoying and *should* be able to be resolved. If it's not, I'm not that upset and move on with my life.

Last night? Completely mind-numbingly irritating, TF2 itself was updated 5 days ago. This wasn't any hour-before-the-match-surprise-update, these are the INVITE playoffs for god damn $16,000 (is that number right?)

So you 100% know that when the update happened 5 days ago they (the programmers) were told to update the servers by the TF2 admins? Even if this is true you'd imagine a follow up inquiry would be needed based on how bad they've been in the past, aye?

I don't know tri or killing personally, so I'm not in the market for slander/wondering why no one cared enough to think ahead/pay attention to the highest TF2 division in NA.. all I want to know is this:

Tri and/or Killing will the client be updated for tomorrow. Is it safe for me to plan on talking about video games?

Ya they were informed, of course they were, maybe more follow up was needed but you guys are all acting like there was virtually no activity from TF2 admins. Im not defending ESEA or saying that what is going on isn't unprofessional or irritating but you guys are really going out of your way to put the blame on tri and killing in something that is basically out of their control.

tldr people paid good money for this service, and there is money on the line for tournament. admins are expected to communicate things but they dont(correct?)

Luc, I think you're focusing on a facet of this debate that isn't as important as you think it is. No one here is saying it is specifically tri or killing's fault that the client isn't updated. If it is one man's job to keep a piece of technology updated, they should be the ones that are on top of that. What we ARE saying is that we don't know what the TF2 admins are doing. And you are no different. You can't say this:

if you aren't tri or killing. You're giving a lot of credit when one of the admins was playing DOTA during the 2nd most important match of the season. That is irresponsible at best.

I'm not putting any blame on the messengers, I'm just saying that if I was getting paid I perhaps would consider something like this:

'Hey programmer dude, remember that update that I told you about 5 days ago. Well the match for a shit ton of money is tonight and I was wondering if in your free time you got around to it?'

ya fair enough, I understand what you guys are saying and I can't speak for killing but I know shooter and tri are very active and helpful admins and if there was more they could do about this situation Im sure they would.

You may have your answer tonight when open finals is attempted to be played/casted.

Is this best of one now?

yes, thanks to esea

A BO1 on sunshine for LBF??? Ok then.

A LBF as a BO1...thanks ESEA.

When will you guys stop being surprised by how little esea gives a fuck?

Dunno if it's been said but in froyo's latest scrims (at least the last ones I could find on logs.tf), b4nny and ash switched roles, so we might see b4nny on pocket just as Sideshow predicted a while back on a stream.

[edit] well no he didnt really predict it he just heard some rumours but whatever