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On one hand it's kind of sad that the im/invite community wont commit the time w out incentives, but on the other hand this is great for newbie mixes

I've tried coaching before. It's just not my avenue for helping people.

Thats fine at least you have tried, there are MANY people out there that dont even put the effort in

does this apply to euros with higher level etf2l experience

Newbie Mixes will accept ANY coaches who have decent experience in TF2. Just know that Newbie Mixes start at 9 EST, so that's around 1 AM GMT.

Like Tino said that's fine that you're not great at coaching, it really isn't for everyone. One thing you and players like you might want to consider doing is to come in the mumble and answer questions some of the Newbies might have. When I was one of the admins of Newbie Mixes, I found it very difficult to take time to answer the questions that the Newbies had. It would be great to have the presence of high level players in the mumble, even if you aren't coaching.

For what friend are you asking this torrit? 8)

i think some people dont want to coach newbie mixes because a lot of the players dont do their own basic research before joining. You should make all of the newbies take this quiz before they are allowed to play

http://goo.gl/forms/4ADQl5e5BC

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id like to try coaching because we used to have something similar when i played tribes, basically coaches would come into mumble and pair up with someone who played the same role although the community there was a lot more close knit

im put off coaching newbie mixes because like capn said people dont bother getting a basic understanding of the competitive format, from what ive seen from other peoples streams the players in newbie mixes are like what you'd expect the average user of /r/tf2 to be (14 and loves memes) and some can be really obnoxious and dont understand social interaction

I've only coached once so my sample size is small, but I think just the way I am as a person I would prefer to maybe come into mumble and say like grab a scout main, link them a demo I've already downloaded and watch a 30 minute scrim or something and walk them through my thought process.

Another big issue is that SO much of this game is DM-based that many of these players the best advice we can give them is to play dm/mge for 10 hours a day

This is actually a legit idea! When i coached briefly before it was hard to explain anything if players didnt know the basics, ive coached rugby for a long time and its the same idea, players have to have a base knowledge before coaching can be an effective way to improve

I'd say the raffle would apply to ETF2L players that have played in high+.

This is only a small subset of players in the mixes. Most of the time, you will have 1 of these players maximum. I'm actually working on a 10ish minute basic-6s guide in coordination with some of our best coaches along with good players as well. That should be finished within a couple weeks and will hopefully resolve this issue.

I think anywhere online, you'll find these people. The majority of our newbies are not memers by any means.

I prefer to show up once every 2-4 months and stay the whole night, that way I avoid seeing the same people over and over. I'm sure it's boring for the ones that've already heard my spiel lol.

@raytek

I've *occasionally* had to deal with people who were being disruptive, but usually it's not that hard to deal with them - just get another noobie and send them packing - the admins are usually quite helpful if you've got somebody who is a problem. Once it gets to "serious time" I let them know that I'm gonna do my talk and to ask questions when I address them directly (since I like to deal with each player individually). If they start to irritate me I warn then, I warn them again, if they fuck with me again I just request a sub lol.

If it's somebody who is purposefully there to troll during the playing of the game, or who has a toaster of a PC or bad internet, it's good to watch each of your noobies from spec during your pregame spiel to make sure you don't have a 234 ping pocket or somebody with 6-7 FPS. If it's clearly somebody there to troll and run 24/7 market gardner or whatever, just wait until the end of the round, pause the game (some coaches like to pause after each round anyways) and get a sub (which should only take a few minutes max).

Problems solved lol. Of all the mixes I've done I've only had to deal with 3 problem people and I've prolly done 50 or more.

@marxist it's not that they're intentionally disruptive, it's that they think things like screaming "I AM LE SHPEE LE SHPEE IS ME XD XD!!!" is the peak of tf2 based comedy. In a way it feels a lot like being a camp counselor and it's really exhausting to deal with.

Holy shit I died you are the fucking best capn

sometimes i just

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I've coached before, and I intend to in the future. Currently I have a terrible mic and would not go over well in trying to explain things in mumble.

I've tossed around the idea of coaching but the honest truth is that I just don't want to deal with managing a full team of newbies. It's difficult to give feedback to 5-6 people who are all making mistakes in real time. I tried coaching twice (it's been over a year now though and there's definitely been a change in leadership) and both times it turned into a pug where my newbies spent more time focusing the opposing coach than trying to actually learn the game properly. At the end of the pug I tried to give each person specific feedback based on what they had done but generally they were more interested in adding up again. It was like they wanted it more as a pug service than an actual learning experience.

Why not like... make short youtube videos of how to play their position? There's no point in talking to them over mumble when there's tons of videos that depict good pocket plays/bad pocket plays, and same with the other classes.

Then you can literally leverage the same video going forward, editing/improving it as you go on instead of the same person having to constantly describe each position and setting expectations. Visuals are better, just make it newbie friendly.

This. When I coached the mixes I honestly could not tell if I was being trolled on an alt or not. Some of the questions people asked me and then proceeded to argue, players not knowing the general rollouts to mid, how to rocket jump, the basic role of the class that they're playing, and people purposely overextending to try and kill/melee the other coach, "because they wanted to kill "name" and take a screenshot" (direct quote) were probably the greatest frustrations. If you can weed these people out from the mixes or if youve already implemented a system in order to do that (it's been a while since i've done one), I'll come back and coach. You don't need to enter me into the raffle, I already have the best hat. Ellis' cap :)

I think there are a few problems of perception in the larger tf2 community that lead to a lot of these near-uncoachable people.

There's the whole meme thing, which, whatever, we can't do anything about that. Then there are the people who are the same people on r/truetf2 who make threads like "HELP I ALREADY HAVE 70 HRS ON SCOUT AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE A GREAT PLAYER YET WHAT AM I DOING WRONG". We need to stress that, even as a newbie, it's probably better to have a basic level of competence in tf2 before starting comp tf2. Then there's the hardware/game customization stuff, it's really important that we make tutorials and the like about that as well so people know that someone with 10 fps prolly won't be amazing at this game. Finally, I think there's a serious problem where we liken being new to tf2 with being childlike and we coddle people too much. If the person I'm coaching is like 18+, I'm not going to treat him like an unruly 6 year old. I expect a certain level of maturity from people who aren't like 12, regardless of how long they've spent clicking polygons.

I honestly don't believe that the IM+ should receive incentive for coaching. Without the newbies whom are the same community who spectate, participate, and in many cases donate and contribute to tf2, these invites wouldn't make it to Europe.
IM+ players, you have my topmost respect as a e-sport "athlete" or whatever you want to call it, but it's your chance to give back to the community that has supported you and this great competitive game over the years.

we're not all designed for being a good coach/teacher, that's respectable and not a problem, there are many of you that are. who knows, you may enjoy the hell out of coaching! I love to coach when I can!

yo stevo most invite teams dont go to europe

a lot of high open/IM players have never been in a serious cast by tftv/evltv/etc and i dont think the support of spectators has ever affected a majority of tf2 players in the community. i might b wrong but im pretty sure most people play because they find the game fun and winning is cool, not because 100 viewers r gonna watch a casual cast of their first round open playoffs match

you can't just throw in "whom" as a fancier version of "who", it has to be used to refer to the object of a sentence and not the subject

My apologies, I work with legal documentation all day, I make typos like that all the time, calm your tits

I understand that, but my point is, our target at newbie mixes are usually the people who watch and support open/IM/Invite. and without the spectators in a spectator sport, the sport is nothing, and with no support, it will eventually fall like anything else. So in a sense, it sounds crude, but I believe these or at least most of these high-leveled players owe it to the community which support them.

as for mustardoverlord, get back at me with a good comeback rather than grammar errors. It's the point that should matter, not my bad grammar right?

I won't get back at u with a good comeback because I have no problem with what you said, I just saw it as a jumping off point to teach a community of teenagers about grammar so they don't feel like they are entirely wasting their lives on this forum.

I guess I could make a video about installing my cfg (or any config for that matter). I don't know though I never seem to have enough time/want to do it though. Plus the video really shouldn't be much longer than like 3 minutes. Problem is though if I make a video, it would be for windows 7; tech illiterate people who use MACs and any other version of windows will be confused. Would be a lot of easier to just learn to make an installer probably.