DDoSing is a federal crime and that needs to be understood.
Like, seriously, you can destroy someone's life by reporting them to the police with hard evidence they're involved in controlling, maintaining, creating, or funding a botnet in any way.
So let's do that.
DDoSing is a federal crime and that needs to be understood.
Like, seriously, you can destroy someone's life by reporting them to the police with hard evidence they're involved in controlling, maintaining, creating, or funding a botnet in any way.
So let's do that.
hey id like to say to whoever is doing this:
fuck you asshat
hey id like to say to whoever is doing this:
fuck you asshat
DavidTheWinWhen investigating this during GGG we found a way that you can find pretty much any server that someone on steam is playing on in under a minute.
would it be possible for tftv to make private accounts with only very common alias' and just have the players use those for the matches + change the names on the cast like you do with invite players that don't alias with their known alias?
[quote=DavidTheWin]
When investigating this during GGG we found a way that you can find pretty much any server that someone on steam is playing on in under a minute.[/quote]
would it be possible for tftv to make private accounts with only very common alias' and just have the players use those for the matches + change the names on the cast like you do with invite players that don't alias with their known alias?
HellbentDavidTheWinWhen investigating this during GGG we found a way that you can find pretty much any server that someone on steam is playing on in under a minute.
would it be possible for tftv to make private accounts with only very common alias' and just have the players use those for the matches + change the names on the cast like you do with invite players that don't alias with their known alias?
This wouldn't work, casters would be confused by the aliases for a start, not to mention the fact the attackers can just look up the server in the browser, even if it is private, there aren't that many servers once you filter by map, it's super hard to try and completely conseal the server.
[quote=Hellbent][quote=DavidTheWin]
When investigating this during GGG we found a way that you can find pretty much any server that someone on steam is playing on in under a minute.[/quote]
would it be possible for tftv to make private accounts with only very common alias' and just have the players use those for the matches + change the names on the cast like you do with invite players that don't alias with their known alias?[/quote]
This wouldn't work, casters would be confused by the aliases for a start, not to mention the fact the attackers can just look up the server in the browser, even if it is private, there aren't that many servers once you filter by map, it's super hard to try and completely conseal the server.
Does anyone know how CS:GO goes about preventing DDosing at the majors?
Qualifiers for Cologne happened a couple weeks ago and there was no DDosing despite much more being on the line there not just in skins and betting but in qualifying for a Valve funded major
Does anyone know how CS:GO goes about preventing DDosing at the majors?
Qualifiers for Cologne happened a couple weeks ago and there was no DDosing despite much more being on the line there not just in skins and betting but in qualifying for a Valve funded major
then why is there a thread about it when there is literally nothing anyone can do about it
then why is there a thread about it when there is literally nothing anyone can do about it
Hellbentthen why is there a thread about it when there is literally nothing anyone can do about it
I believe it was an appeal to whoever's doing it, in hopes that they'd have second thoughts. If hackers can quit and apologize, I guess anything can happen.
[quote=Hellbent]then why is there a thread about it when there is literally nothing anyone can do about it[/quote]
I believe it was an appeal to whoever's doing it, in hopes that they'd have second thoughts. If hackers can quit and apologize, I guess anything can happen.
phobiacmon dingo stop ddosing
??? If anyone is ddosing it's not dingo. It's either bullet, yight, bape, or some other retard.
[quote=phobia]cmon dingo stop ddosing[/quote]
??? If anyone is ddosing it's not dingo. It's either bullet, yight, bape, or some other retard.
Max_Does anyone know how CS:GO goes about preventing DDosing at the majors?
Qualifiers for Cologne happened a couple weeks ago and there was no DDosing despite much more being on the line there not just in skins and betting but in qualifying for a Valve funded major
All qualifiers for that were played on LAN though
[quote=Max_]Does anyone know how CS:GO goes about preventing DDosing at the majors?
Qualifiers for Cologne happened a couple weeks ago and there was no DDosing despite much more being on the line there not just in skins and betting but in qualifying for a Valve funded major[/quote]
All qualifiers for that were played on LAN though
I'm sorry to hear that the games haven't been flowing so well. Hopefully these ddos attacks will stop.
I'm sorry to hear that the games haven't been flowing so well. Hopefully these ddos attacks will stop.
-protowe're giving them what they want by making these threads. there's nothing we can do about it aside from simple personal precautions. these people are children who get neglected by their parents and all they want is for people to pay attention to them...
"Ignore them and they will go away".
Yeah great advice...(!)
Best we can do is to continue and try our best...I remember it was really bad a few years ago then stopped...in the run up to i55 seems someone has an anti comp tf2 agenda. Whoever it is, they will get bored eventually and fuck off somewhere else, we just got to keep trying. Certainly it is AN ISSUE and it isn't one we should ignore and we should always keep trying. It's worth it.
[quote=-proto]we're giving them what they want by making these threads. there's nothing we can do about it aside from simple personal precautions. these people are children who get neglected by their parents and all they want is for people to pay attention to them...[/quote]
"Ignore them and they will go away".
Yeah great advice...(!)
Best we can do is to continue and try our best...I remember it was really bad a few years ago then stopped...in the run up to i55 seems someone has an anti comp tf2 agenda. Whoever it is, they will get bored eventually and fuck off somewhere else, we just got to keep trying. Certainly it is AN ISSUE and it isn't one we should ignore and we should always keep trying. It's worth it.
Hildreth-protowe're giving them what they want by making these threads. there's nothing we can do about it aside from simple personal precautions. these people are children who get neglected by their parents and all they want is for people to pay attention to them...
"Ignore them and they will go away".
Yeah great advice...(!)
Best we can do is to continue and try our best...I remember it was really bad a few years ago then stopped...in the run up to i55 seems someone has an anti comp tf2 agenda. Whoever it is, they will get bored eventually and fuck off somewhere else, we just got to keep trying. Certainly it is AN ISSUE and it isn't one we should ignore and we should always keep trying. It's worth it.
I'm not saying to ignore it and it will go away I'm saying these threads are making the problem worse. We're giving the ddosers the attention and outcry that they are desperately looking for. Read my friend.
[quote=Hildreth][quote=-proto]we're giving them what they want by making these threads. there's nothing we can do about it [b]aside from simple personal precautions[/b]. these people are children who get neglected by their parents and all they want is for people to pay attention to them...[/quote]
"Ignore them and they will go away".
Yeah great advice...(!)
Best we can do is to continue and try our best...I remember it was really bad a few years ago then stopped...in the run up to i55 seems someone has an anti comp tf2 agenda. Whoever it is, they will get bored eventually and fuck off somewhere else, we just got to keep trying. Certainly it is AN ISSUE and it isn't one we should ignore and we should always keep trying. It's worth it.[/quote]
I'm not saying to ignore it and it will go away I'm saying these threads are making the problem worse. We're giving the ddosers the attention and outcry that they are desperately looking for. Read my friend.
ComangliaQuazzy15 and 16 year old edgy kids who think they're super cool for ddosing.
It's gross that those who put in hours and hours of work into something that reaps no financial reward period have their efforts tarnished by a few individuals.
Jesus
I don't think some random teenager has the patience, perseverance, the technical know how, or enough money to be DDoSing so consistently and multiple targets at a time.
Well, in the past FBTF has had problems with DDoS attacks and, I'm not really sure about the details, but it seems they were orchestrated by a group of angry teenagers. I don't really know what were their motivations, but it had something to do with not agreeing with how the league was run, "the game being dead", and other shit.
AFAIK one of the ways they got specif player ip's was through steam voice chat.
[quote=Comanglia][quote=Quazzy]15 and 16 year old edgy kids who think they're super cool for ddosing.
It's gross that those who put in hours and hours of work into something that reaps no financial reward period have their efforts tarnished by a few individuals.
Jesus[/quote]
I don't think some random teenager has the patience, perseverance, the technical know how, or enough money to be DDoSing so consistently and multiple targets at a time.[/quote]
Well, in the past FBTF has had problems with DDoS attacks and, I'm not really sure about the details, but it seems they were orchestrated by a group of angry teenagers. I don't really know what were their motivations, but it had something to do with not agreeing with how the league was run, "the game being dead", and other shit.
AFAIK one of the ways they got specif player ip's was through steam voice chat.
Max_Does anyone know how CS:GO goes about preventing DDosing at the majors?
Qualifiers for Cologne happened a couple weeks ago and there was no DDosing despite much more being on the line there not just in skins and betting but in qualifying for a Valve funded major
you can't ddos lan
[quote=Max_]Does anyone know how CS:GO goes about preventing DDosing at the majors?
Qualifiers for Cologne happened a couple weeks ago and there was no DDosing despite much more being on the line there not just in skins and betting but in qualifying for a Valve funded major[/quote]
you can't ddos lan
I got ddosed as well like 1 hour ago or so during some random mix with friend. Shit got real and it's a serious issue.
I got ddosed as well like 1 hour ago or so during some random mix with friend. Shit got real and it's a serious issue.
http://puu.sh/jHskt/eb9410df18.jpg
http://www.teamfortress.tv/25468/saloon-tf-and-ddosing
I really thought that the only reason people were ddosing was to win stuff from Saloon.tf and thats why I warned people in that thread. It seems like I was wrong about it and people are actually just doing this ruin other peoples fun. I'll never understand why people are doing this to TF2, it's a small game and we all just play it for fun like you really need to be a fucked up person to do this. Sorry to Cherry and Saloon.tf for putting the blame straight on you
TurinSheepy, this isn't the first time DDoS's have happened in league matches. ESEA-O and IM finals have a history of being DDoS'd.
It's happened to you now and that's why you care, not because "it's going to kill tf2".
I think we can all agree now that its got nothing to do with people being salty they lost a game to a ddos attack. This could really end up killing TF2.
Anyway here is some basic advice from ondkaja that might minimize the risk of you getting ddos'd
Ond_kaja
1. Don't use IRC without protection (VERY important):
When you join a channel in most IRC servers, your IP can be grabbed with minimal effort. How to protect yourself differs from server to server, use google. A bouncer is the best protection.
2. Don't accept random skype/steam calls. Steam/skype voice calls are P2P so they can get your IP from this.
3. Don't click fishy links. Could be an IP grabber.
Just a little bit of common sense will protect you from most vulnerabilities, having to do further than basic efforts scares away most script kiddies.
For preventing server ddoses:
1. Go offline on steam (otherwise the IP will be shown in "view game info") BEFORE joining a server.
2. Don't use serveme.tf servers. They are great, but they are also not protected.
3. Server cvar "hide_server 1" so it doesn't show up in the server browser.
http://www.teamfortress.tv/25468/saloon-tf-and-ddosing
I really thought that the only reason people were ddosing was to win stuff from Saloon.tf and thats why I warned people in that thread. It seems like I was wrong about it and people are actually just doing this ruin other peoples fun. I'll never understand why people are doing this to TF2, it's a small game and we all just play it for fun like you really need to be a fucked up person to do this. Sorry to Cherry and Saloon.tf for putting the blame straight on you
[quote=Turin]Sheepy, this isn't the first time DDoS's have happened in league matches. ESEA-O and IM finals have a history of being DDoS'd.
It's happened to you now and that's why you care, not because "it's going to kill tf2".[/quote]
I think we can all agree now that its got nothing to do with people being salty they lost a game to a ddos attack. This could really end up killing TF2.
Anyway here is some basic advice from ondkaja that might minimize the risk of you getting ddos'd
[quote=Ond_kaja]
1. Don't use IRC without protection (VERY important):
When you join a channel in most IRC servers, your IP can be grabbed with minimal effort. How to protect yourself differs from server to server, use google. A bouncer is the best protection.
2. Don't accept random skype/steam calls. Steam/skype voice calls are P2P so they can get your IP from this.
3. Don't click fishy links. Could be an IP grabber.
Just a little bit of common sense will protect you from most vulnerabilities, having to do further than basic efforts scares away most script kiddies.
For preventing server ddoses:
1. Go offline on steam (otherwise the IP will be shown in "view game info") BEFORE joining a server.
2. Don't use serveme.tf servers. They are great, but they are also not protected.
3. Server cvar "hide_server 1" so it doesn't show up in the server browser.[/quote]
Why not have hide_server 1 for Serveme servers by default? I mean, it doesn't hurt anyone apart from DDOSers, which is a plus.
Why not have hide_server 1 for Serveme servers by default? I mean, it doesn't hurt anyone apart from DDOSers, which is a plus.
-protoHildreth-protowe're giving them what they want by making these threads. there's nothing we can do about it aside from simple personal precautions. these people are children who get neglected by their parents and all they want is for people to pay attention to them...
"Ignore them and they will go away".
Yeah great advice...(!)
Best we can do is to continue and try our best...I remember it was really bad a few years ago then stopped...in the run up to i55 seems someone has an anti comp tf2 agenda. Whoever it is, they will get bored eventually and fuck off somewhere else, we just got to keep trying. Certainly it is AN ISSUE and it isn't one we should ignore and we should always keep trying. It's worth it.
I'm not saying to ignore it and it will go away I'm saying these threads are making the problem worse. We're giving the ddosers the attention and outcry that they are desperately looking for. Read my friend.
Unless you have a degree in Psychology or you know the perpetrator personality and have a deep seeded understanding of their mental state, I struggle to believe this can actually be proven as the motivation in any way.
[quote=-proto][quote=Hildreth][quote=-proto]we're giving them what they want by making these threads. there's nothing we can do about it [b]aside from simple personal precautions[/b]. these people are children who get neglected by their parents and all they want is for people to pay attention to them...[/quote]
"Ignore them and they will go away".
Yeah great advice...(!)
Best we can do is to continue and try our best...I remember it was really bad a few years ago then stopped...in the run up to i55 seems someone has an anti comp tf2 agenda. Whoever it is, they will get bored eventually and fuck off somewhere else, we just got to keep trying. Certainly it is AN ISSUE and it isn't one we should ignore and we should always keep trying. It's worth it.[/quote]
I'm not saying to ignore it and it will go away I'm saying these threads are making the problem worse. We're giving the ddosers the attention and outcry that they are desperately looking for. Read my friend.[/quote]
Unless you have a degree in Psychology or you know the perpetrator personality and have a deep seeded understanding of their mental state, I struggle to believe this can actually be proven as the motivation in any way.
SheepylolOnd_kaja
1. Don't use IRC without protection (VERY important):
When you join a channel in most IRC servers, your IP can be grabbed with minimal effort. How to protect yourself differs from server to server, use google. A bouncer is the best protection.
2. Don't accept random skype/steam calls. Steam/skype voice calls are P2P so they can get your IP from this.
3. Don't click fishy links. Could be an IP grabber.
Just a little bit of common sense will protect you from most vulnerabilities, having to do further than basic efforts scares away most script kiddies.
For preventing server ddoses:
1. Go offline on steam (otherwise the IP will be shown in "view game info") BEFORE joining a server.
2. Don't use serveme.tf servers. They are great, but they are also not protected.
3. Server cvar "hide_server 1" so it doesn't show up in the server browser.
The RheinBrigade servers and all French ones on serveme.tf are DDoS protected. The issues we're having at the moment is the type of attacks aren't being mitigated on these servers.
[quote=Sheepylol]
[quote=Ond_kaja]
1. Don't use IRC without protection (VERY important):
When you join a channel in most IRC servers, your IP can be grabbed with minimal effort. How to protect yourself differs from server to server, use google. A bouncer is the best protection.
2. Don't accept random skype/steam calls. Steam/skype voice calls are P2P so they can get your IP from this.
3. Don't click fishy links. Could be an IP grabber.
Just a little bit of common sense will protect you from most vulnerabilities, having to do further than basic efforts scares away most script kiddies.
For preventing server ddoses:
1. Go offline on steam (otherwise the IP will be shown in "view game info") BEFORE joining a server.
2. Don't use serveme.tf servers. They are great, but they are also not protected.
3. Server cvar "hide_server 1" so it doesn't show up in the server browser.[/quote][/quote]
The RheinBrigade servers and all French ones on serveme.tf are DDoS protected. The issues we're having at the moment is the type of attacks aren't being mitigated on these servers.
what about !stv command in twitch chat and public access to it? no more of that thing until attacks stop I guess?
what about !stv command in twitch chat and public access to it? no more of that thing until attacks stop I guess?
You would think felony charges and jail time would be enough not to DDoS. Why risk ruining your future?
You would think felony charges and jail time would be enough not to DDoS. Why risk ruining your future?
hide_server 1 isn't sufficient. Nor is every player being offline. STV relays are still fine (although we might still avoid them just in case) but any direct STV access is a no-go.
hide_server 1 isn't sufficient. Nor is every player being offline. STV relays are still fine (although we might still avoid them just in case) but any direct STV access is a no-go.
[quote=Pellovley]http://puu.sh/jHskt/eb9410df18.jpg[/quote]
Good times. Good times.
we need a new server var valve:
sv_private
when set to 1, mask server info on steam's "view game info" page ("%name% is playing on a private server"), and disallow joining via the "join game" button on steam. sending invites should still work however, and players should be able to join if invited.
we need a new server var valve:
sv_private
when set to 1, mask server info on steam's "view game info" page ("%name% is playing on a private server"), and disallow joining via the "join game" button on steam. sending invites should still work however, and players should be able to join if invited.
BLoodSireYou would think felony charges and jail time would be enough not to DDoS. Why risk ruining your future?
Fairly hard to find a ddosser unless they are stupid and/or start issuing threads/demands. Fairly low risk, but yes if you do get caught you're fucked.
[quote=BLoodSire]You would think felony charges and jail time would be enough not to DDoS. Why risk ruining your future?[/quote]
Fairly hard to find a ddosser unless they are stupid and/or start issuing threads/demands. Fairly low risk, but yes if you do get caught you're fucked.
BLoodSireYou would think felony charges and jail time would be enough not to DDoS. Why risk ruining your future?
They might be coming from a country that doesn't extradite to the US.
[quote=BLoodSire]You would think felony charges and jail time would be enough not to DDoS. Why risk ruining your future?[/quote]
They might be coming from a country that doesn't extradite to the US.
Permzillaour tf2pug.me game was ddosed just now, ridiculous smh
No offence but people throw around the term ddos too often. With pugme, more than likely it was either just an ISP networking issue, or the servers were temporarily overloaded. Almost all game servers are hosted in a shared environment, so if one user suddenly has a bad script, or is running something very resource intensive it can bring the entire server down to a halt. The effect can feel similar to a DDOS attack, but a DDOS attack is intentional, where an overloaded server or ISP issues are just a random occurrence.
Game servers are often times "oversold." E.g. 20x 24 slot TF2 servers are hosted on one physical server. 99% of the time everything is fine because only 3-4 servers are being used at once. But on a busy night when 15 servers are all being used there could be some serious resource problems.
BLoodSireYou would think felony charges and jail time would be enough not to DDoS. Why risk ruining your future?
Does any government agency have the time/resources to go after kids that DDOS with a few hundred computer botnet? I doubt it. They go after the big guys that bring down large government and corporate websites.
Hellbentthen why is there a thread about it when there is literally nothing anyone can do about it
If you pay more and use a large reputable data center, they can definitely disable the small to medium DDOS attacks. DDOS protection which can handle 1 to 10Gb/s is quite available.
[quote=Permzilla]our tf2pug.me game was ddosed just now, ridiculous smh[/quote]
No offence but people throw around the term ddos too often. With pugme, more than likely it was either just an ISP networking issue, or the servers were temporarily overloaded. Almost all game servers are hosted in a shared environment, so if one user suddenly has a bad script, or is running something very resource intensive it can bring the entire server down to a halt. The effect can feel similar to a DDOS attack, but a DDOS attack is intentional, where an overloaded server or ISP issues are just a random occurrence.
Game servers are often times "oversold." E.g. 20x 24 slot TF2 servers are hosted on one physical server. 99% of the time everything is fine because only 3-4 servers are being used at once. But on a busy night when 15 servers are all being used there could be some serious resource problems.
[quote=BLoodSire]You would think felony charges and jail time would be enough not to DDoS. Why risk ruining your future?[/quote]
Does any government agency have the time/resources to go after kids that DDOS with a few hundred computer botnet? I doubt it. They go after the big guys that bring down large government and corporate websites.
[quote=Hellbent]then why is there a thread about it when there is literally nothing anyone can do about it[/quote]
If you pay more and use a large reputable data center, they can definitely disable the small to medium DDOS attacks. DDOS protection which can handle 1 to 10Gb/s is quite available.