OTHER THREAD GOT LOCKED AND I DIDNT GET TO POST WTF...PLEASE NO AUTISM...ok since im like really bored at school right now, ill dissect your posts mr. twenty. yes, me, the 13 rws player, no big deal tho :D Kappa...ANYWAY...from my limited experience of playing low tier counter strike, i can tell you that A LOT of your knowledge is just flat out wrong and it makes you come off as condescending. the whole theory of dazed stealing happy's igling is just so mind-boggling to me because they have completely different igling styles. happy is known for his wolf pack, no respect mentality. this type of igling is very simple because it heavily relies on your aim. honestly, watch envy play t side inferno. if the cts show no mid aggression and dont presmoke it, they will do their mid walk and let kenny dry peek with his awp or have apex follow a flash in. literally theres no depth behind this strat, theres 1 flash at most. happy's igling is not high percentage counter strike. he constantly takes risks because he makes everything an aim battle. envyus is the definition of SCRIMMY. on the other hand, dazed, plays high percentage counter strike. his ibp team actually had roles in comparison to happy's envy. ibp would set up in a default, work an entry, and when they got that entry, they would fake/execute a site. its high percentage counter strike because his team got the first kill and they are going to use that slight advantage to the fullest. say if they go up 5v4 ct side on inferno because skadoodle gets a pick at car, he will tell his team to play passive. they have the advantage this round. if envy go up 5v4, they will keep repeeking and force the error until it stops working. the only similarity there is between dazed and happy is that dazed will adopt a scrimmy style when they are playing lower tier teams simply because he knows his teams aim is better. thats pretty much what cloud9 does to the rest of NA right now. freakazoid just pushes somewhere and destroys. it makes counter strike really simple. seangares is actually a really good igl and he has really shined in these past few months. happy does not watch as many demos as seangares and that is very clear because of happy's igl style. like i said before, happy will keep running the same strat because it worked before. regarding seangares, u should listen to the pov comms of cloud9 at esl finals. he read teams like a book because he did his homework. he counterstrated the old envy with shox because he watched hours of demos and knew what to expect. it was incredible to watch. the majority of his reads were on the dot with what envy was actually doing that round. the kills would come to cloud9, there was almost no work involved. they would just hold an angle and click their button lol. seangares plays more constructed, microy cs. dazed has a mixture of both and happy prefers to play really scrimmy. also, idk where ur getting this swag is poor thing. i believe he is pretty well off. have u ever seen his room when he streams? he has a nicely finished room with carpet, a large couch, and a king sized bed. I KNOW IM CREEPY BUT...theres no fucking way hes poor. not only that he threw for like 30 bucks lol. nice 30 bucks can get u chick fil a for a week dawg. ANYWAYZ....Dats My 2 Cents :)
IM NOT JUST GOING TO SCRAP THIS WHOLE THING ... :(
I mean you made some good points but it's a fucking wall of text
Just throw three random ass indentations in there and it becomes so much more readable.
i agree that nV is the most scrimmy team you will see that high, but I think saying they dont have roles or strats is not completely correct.
Watching dazed review their demos, and watching their games myself, you can see that they do have set situations they play through.
Like you said, if they lose the advantage, they will use kenny or apex to get back to even numbers, and ive seen them change their plan based on the numbers.
They don't need the kinds of strats such as navi or tsm because they can out aim literally every team out there. That doesnt mean they dont have them though.
Watching dazed review their demos, and watching their games myself, you can see that they do have set situations they play through.
Like you said, if they lose the advantage, they will use kenny or apex to get back to even numbers, and ive seen them change their plan based on the numbers.
They don't need the kinds of strats such as navi or tsm because they can out aim literally every team out there. That doesnt mean they dont have them though.
I mean yeah every pro team has a default or 2, and everyone knows the smoke execute on A site on like every map. Beyond that, there's nothing unique that they do that isn't a common knowledge strat.
cage-
having set plays isnt the same as having roles
having set plays isnt the same as having roles
nice post
i have a couple issues with it, ill try to keep it brief tho:
1. most of my posts were about how cs should be played, despite saying that most of my info was wrong you didn't mention a single thing i wrote that was wrong on HOW cs should be played. you took issue with three, essentially trivia, points. (dazed vs. happy, sgares watching demos, swag and being poor) its worth noting none of these points are really mine, but we'll get there.
2. first, its quick so: swag might not be poor. its just the reasoning i heard in a 10man from Warden (I think) for why he was picked up as an analyst. i dont think someones bedroom determines whether money is tight. i dont think he lives in poverty, i think his family could have used the cash from when cs went bigtime in 2013 tho. also worth mentioning that i never suggested he threw for his family, i was providing a reason for why its kind of fucked up that hes banned indefinitely.
3. sgares and demos. ya, youre right. sgares watched a shitload of demos leading into C9's 2nd place runs, and they were able to play out of their minds and punch above their weight because of it. But, since that renaissance teams adapted and its c9's turn to reinvent themselves and adapt. they were embarrassed at the major and then again in dubai, and its because other teams understand their mentality too well and are able to exploit it. c9 looks predictable, and its up to sgares to figure out how to fix it (by watching other teams that arent struggling)
4. Happy and Dazed: by far this is the majority of your post. Happy is scrimmy. Dazed is set play oriented. Well,,, youre right, its just not what i was talking about. I think happy and NV have become more scrimmy in response to how they work in the cs meta right now. that doesnt mean they have different philosophies of cs, and i maintain that i think ibp and ldlc were very similar in the way they approached entries (basically, a free entry should be a free round, and every kill should be traded). ibp "borrowed" a lot of ldlc's plays too (particularly inferno with how ldlc treats banana and b site.)
the BIG thing i saw both teams do earlier than other teams was "buying" aggressive peeks. if you double peek as a ct into a common lurking area you have the potential for a pick, youre guaranteed important info, and the biggest downside is you trade 1 for 1 (a terrorist getting both kills would require a misplay). i think thats great, and it makes ct sides much stronger if you can read your opponent and run "safe" aggression like that.
there are not a lot of teams with 5 players capable of pulling off such a freeflowing cs game. i dont think ibp was one of them, between swag (who is a great individual decision maker, but didnt always recognize his role in the team game) and skadoodle (who was much MUCH rawer (more raw?) on ibp) dazed had to play a more safe style because he had to be the decision maker for not only himself but other players on his team, but you can see ldlc's influence on how the team played.
just to finish, i'll say that i would have never noticed a similarity between ibp and ldlc if it wasnt for dazed's videos and stream. idk how to say it other than he clearly has a lot of respect for happy's igling, which might appear spontaneous but is actually tightly controlled. just off the top of my head some moments:
-he mentioned how ibp would always play well against ldlc because he (dazed) watched their demos the most in thinking up new ways to structure ibp
-when asked if it would make sense if ex6tence were to join NV as a coach he said something like "No, Happy has 4 players who are already playing the way he wants to play, ex6tence wouldnt help" (this isnt so much showing inspiration as it is showing that he thinks happy is the smarter igl)
edit: just thought of this, my original post was a little bit joking. im not trying to denigrate dazed at all, i think all the best igls steal, i think all the best sports coaches steal, i think all the best chess or poker players steal, best athletes etc. i was just trying to get some credit to my boy happy
i have a couple issues with it, ill try to keep it brief tho:
1. most of my posts were about how cs should be played, despite saying that most of my info was wrong you didn't mention a single thing i wrote that was wrong on HOW cs should be played. you took issue with three, essentially trivia, points. (dazed vs. happy, sgares watching demos, swag and being poor) its worth noting none of these points are really mine, but we'll get there.
2. first, its quick so: swag might not be poor. its just the reasoning i heard in a 10man from Warden (I think) for why he was picked up as an analyst. i dont think someones bedroom determines whether money is tight. i dont think he lives in poverty, i think his family could have used the cash from when cs went bigtime in 2013 tho. also worth mentioning that i never suggested he threw for his family, i was providing a reason for why its kind of fucked up that hes banned indefinitely.
3. sgares and demos. ya, youre right. sgares watched a shitload of demos leading into C9's 2nd place runs, and they were able to play out of their minds and punch above their weight because of it. But, since that renaissance teams adapted and its c9's turn to reinvent themselves and adapt. they were embarrassed at the major and then again in dubai, and its because other teams understand their mentality too well and are able to exploit it. c9 looks predictable, and its up to sgares to figure out how to fix it (by watching other teams that arent struggling)
4. Happy and Dazed: by far this is the majority of your post. Happy is scrimmy. Dazed is set play oriented. Well,,, youre right, its just not what i was talking about. I think happy and NV have become more scrimmy in response to how they work in the cs meta right now. that doesnt mean they have different philosophies of cs, and i maintain that i think ibp and ldlc were very similar in the way they approached entries (basically, a free entry should be a free round, and every kill should be traded). ibp "borrowed" a lot of ldlc's plays too (particularly inferno with how ldlc treats banana and b site.)
the BIG thing i saw both teams do earlier than other teams was "buying" aggressive peeks. if you double peek as a ct into a common lurking area you have the potential for a pick, youre guaranteed important info, and the biggest downside is you trade 1 for 1 (a terrorist getting both kills would require a misplay). i think thats great, and it makes ct sides much stronger if you can read your opponent and run "safe" aggression like that.
there are not a lot of teams with 5 players capable of pulling off such a freeflowing cs game. i dont think ibp was one of them, between swag (who is a great individual decision maker, but didnt always recognize his role in the team game) and skadoodle (who was much MUCH rawer (more raw?) on ibp) dazed had to play a more safe style because he had to be the decision maker for not only himself but other players on his team, but you can see ldlc's influence on how the team played.
just to finish, i'll say that i would have never noticed a similarity between ibp and ldlc if it wasnt for dazed's videos and stream. idk how to say it other than he clearly has a lot of respect for happy's igling, which might appear spontaneous but is actually tightly controlled. just off the top of my head some moments:
-he mentioned how ibp would always play well against ldlc because he (dazed) watched their demos the most in thinking up new ways to structure ibp
-when asked if it would make sense if ex6tence were to join NV as a coach he said something like "No, Happy has 4 players who are already playing the way he wants to play, ex6tence wouldnt help" (this isnt so much showing inspiration as it is showing that he thinks happy is the smarter igl)
edit: just thought of this, my original post was a little bit joking. im not trying to denigrate dazed at all, i think all the best igls steal, i think all the best sports coaches steal, i think all the best chess or poker players steal, best athletes etc. i was just trying to get some credit to my boy happy
instead can we talk about how ScreaM's transfer fee was €150,000?
Wow really?
I had no idea teams made enough money for it to be worth that
I had no idea teams made enough money for it to be worth that
damn dude he rebuts everything u say and u just knock it off to "not what i was talking about" and then u say u were joking in the first place??? lmao man up and accept it
and yea scream's fee is insane
and yea scream's fee is insane
retrogradedamn dude he rebuts everything u say and u just knock it off to "not what i was talking about" and then u say u were joking in the first place??? lmao man up and accept it
and yea scream's fee is insane
lmao was this necessary??
i addressed every point in his post and then added a couple comments on points i made he didnt address, no need to get so hostile
and yea scream's fee is insane[/quote]
lmao was this necessary??
i addressed every point in his post and then added a couple comments on points i made he didnt address, no need to get so hostile
Yo dog once again you're starting something up when you shouldn't have
Let it go
Let it go
ok dude yea cool 20
anyone know if scream had input on his fee? i heard that was a thing for some people
anyone know if scream had input on his fee? i heard that was a thing for some people
PhunkYo dog once again you're starting something up when you shouldn't have
Let it go
i didnt start shit, there or here, retrograde just comes out and attacks me for dodging when u can see my list of points which happens to mirror cozens... who i wasnt even arguing with, just trying to talk cs (deja vu last thread derail)
@enigma @mana lock this shit, i promise to never post again, im dooooooone
Let it go[/quote]
i didnt start shit, there or here, retrograde just comes out and attacks me for dodging when u can see my list of points which happens to mirror cozens... who i wasnt even arguing with, just trying to talk cs (deja vu last thread derail)
@enigma @mana lock this shit, i promise to never post again, im dooooooone
retrograde
anyone know if scream had input on his fee? i heard that was a thing for some people
pretty sure G2 was the only one who had anything to do with the price of scream's contract
ocelote made hella bank selling him out
anyone know if scream had input on his fee? i heard that was a thing for some people[/quote]
pretty sure G2 was the only one who had anything to do with the price of scream's contract
ocelote made hella bank selling him out
Well, when Kinguin made the roster, they paid them the highest contracts of pros, and they paid like a 50k € buyout for Rain (which in and of itself was a high buyout for early 2015 for an average pro). It would make sense they would set Scream's buyout to 150k € as not many teams would be willing to bite that bullet.
if scream's fee is 150k, i wonder how much wud c9 offer for get_right
damn, if we see a shuffle like anders said we could see some high value transfers, idk how high it could get
retrogradedamn, if we see a shuffle like anders said we could see some high value transfers, idk how high it could get
I mean something is gonna happen to NIP at some point this year.
I mean something is gonna happen to NIP at some point this year.
Richard Lewis is hearing tons of shit about Fnatic, NiP, G2, and C9 shuffles.
GTR -> C9??
Sgares to coach the team??
GTR -> Fnatic, pronax maybe retiring and coaching due to wrist issues?
Allu retiring due to becoming a father?
Rain, Maikelele, Dennis -> NiP, F0rest and Xizt stay in NiP?
Either way it looks like Get_Right is shopping around for other teams as he is the only phenomenal talent left on NiP, and he can probably get on any team in the world right now, especially with it looking like pronax will have to retire within the next year or so due to his wrist injury. Seangares said that he might want to start coaching c9 and getting a better fragger/lurk into the team (maybe swag if unbanned, maybe GTR if he doesn't join fnatic).
GTR -> C9??
Sgares to coach the team??
GTR -> Fnatic, pronax maybe retiring and coaching due to wrist issues?
Allu retiring due to becoming a father?
Rain, Maikelele, Dennis -> NiP, F0rest and Xizt stay in NiP?
Either way it looks like Get_Right is shopping around for other teams as he is the only phenomenal talent left on NiP, and he can probably get on any team in the world right now, especially with it looking like pronax will have to retire within the next year or so due to his wrist injury. Seangares said that he might want to start coaching c9 and getting a better fragger/lurk into the team (maybe swag if unbanned, maybe GTR if he doesn't join fnatic).
TurinRichard Lewis is hearing tons of shit about Fnatic, NiP, G2, and C9 shuffles.
GTR -> C9??
Sgares to coach the team??
GTR -> Fnatic, pronax maybe retiring and coaching due to wrist issues?
Allu retiring due to becoming a father?
Rain, Maikelele, Dennis -> NiP, F0rest and Xizt stay in NiP?
Either way it looks like Get_Right is shopping around for other teams as he is the only phenomenal talent left on NiP, and he can probably get on any team in the world right now, especially with it looking like pronax will have to retire within the next year or so due to his wrist injury. Seangares said that he might want to start coaching c9 and getting a better fragger/lurk into the team (maybe swag if unbanned, maybe GTR if he doesn't join fnatic).
also thats old news and Krimz wants to retire aswell
GTR -> C9??
Sgares to coach the team??
GTR -> Fnatic, pronax maybe retiring and coaching due to wrist issues?
Allu retiring due to becoming a father?
Rain, Maikelele, Dennis -> NiP, F0rest and Xizt stay in NiP?
Either way it looks like Get_Right is shopping around for other teams as he is the only phenomenal talent left on NiP, and he can probably get on any team in the world right now, especially with it looking like pronax will have to retire within the next year or so due to his wrist injury. Seangares said that he might want to start coaching c9 and getting a better fragger/lurk into the team (maybe swag if unbanned, maybe GTR if he doesn't join fnatic).[/quote] also thats old news and Krimz wants to retire aswell
jw in nip was supposedly gonna happen so what's the point of talking about more rumors
swag would be great on c9 since he already has good chemistry with nothing, skadoodle and freakazoid. I don't think that c9 would really go for gtr since they really pride themselves on being a North American team and representing the nation