My team and I were discussing this in mumble the other day, and I thought I would get opinions from others. Given that the razorback is used almost exclusively in highlander, and that the current meta involves overhealing snipers, especially at higher divisions, it seems like snipers can be almost too hard to pick, especially when they sit inside of a combo. We understand obviously that certain team playstyles will protect the sniper to an incredible degree, but for teams that have a sandbagging sniper, getting a pick can be very difficult.
We were suggesting this change to the razorback, to at least open up some options that would change the meta. If you have the razorback, you can only be overhealed to 150. The idea behind this is that a lot of sniper centric teams park their sniper in one spot, and he doesn't move, because a quickscope won't take him down. Forcing a sniper to have movement to avoid this, or be vulnerable to a backstab seems like it would shake things up a bit.
So, what do you guys think? This was essentially a late night complaining/brainstorming session about the pros/cons of snipers, but I was curious if we were crazy or if it has merit. Let me know, and throw out other ideas too if you have them, this has been an ongoing discussion for us, so maybe it is for the community too.
My team and I were discussing this in mumble the other day, and I thought I would get opinions from others. Given that the razorback is used almost exclusively in highlander, and that the current meta involves overhealing snipers, especially at higher divisions, it seems like snipers can be almost too hard to pick, especially when they sit inside of a combo. We understand obviously that certain team playstyles will protect the sniper to an incredible degree, but for teams that have a sandbagging sniper, getting a pick can be very difficult.
We were suggesting this change to the razorback, to at least open up some options that would change the meta. If you have the razorback, you can only be overhealed to 150. The idea behind this is that a lot of sniper centric teams park their sniper in one spot, and he doesn't move, because a quickscope won't take him down. Forcing a sniper to have movement to avoid this, or be vulnerable to a backstab seems like it would shake things up a bit.
So, what do you guys think? This was essentially a late night complaining/brainstorming session about the pros/cons of snipers, but I was curious if we were crazy or if it has merit. Let me know, and throw out other ideas too if you have them, this has been an ongoing discussion for us, so maybe it is for the community too.
are u talking about 6s or what.
there wouldnt be a reason to use it if its in 6s since there isnt a spy in most cases.
are u talking about 6s or what.
there wouldnt be a reason to use it if its in 6s since there isnt a spy in most cases.
sounds like something that would be more appropriate to discuss on the ugc forums I think more hl players look there
sounds like something that would be more appropriate to discuss on the ugc forums I think more hl players look there
This is an idea that has been thrown out a lot, some people like to constrain overheal while some people like to give a damage penalty to the user so a sniper headshot does effectively 185 damage to him. At this point I doubt changes will be made until matchmaking comes out and it's easier to balance weapons using that data but I think it's a necessary change.
But yeah this belongs on the UGC forums probably, most of the discussion here is 6s based.
This is an idea that has been thrown out a lot, some people like to constrain overheal while some people like to give a damage penalty to the user so a sniper headshot does effectively 185 damage to him. At this point I doubt changes will be made until matchmaking comes out and it's easier to balance weapons using that data but I think it's a necessary change.
But yeah this belongs on the UGC forums probably, most of the discussion here is 6s based.
It's 9v9 that is unbalanced, not the the unlock. Razorback is fine in 6s and pubs.
edit: lolhl
It's 9v9 that is unbalanced, not the the unlock. Razorback is fine in 6s and pubs.
edit: lolhl
just stay scoped for 1 more sec lol
just stay scoped for 1 more sec lol
floeyjust stay scoped for 1 more sec lol
didn't know that you could scope in and charge shots as spy, thanks for the info.
[quote=floey]just stay scoped for 1 more sec lol[/quote]
didn't know that you could scope in and charge shots as spy, thanks for the info.
Paladin_IMSfloeyjust stay scoped for 1 more sec lol
didn't know that you could scope in and charge shots as spy, thanks for the info.
ok but spies cant 1-shot a sniper either way
[quote=Paladin_IMS][quote=floey]just stay scoped for 1 more sec lol[/quote]
didn't know that you could scope in and charge shots as spy, thanks for the info.[/quote]
ok but spies cant 1-shot a sniper either way
fatswimdudePaladin_IMSfloeyjust stay scoped for 1 more sec lol
didn't know that you could scope in and charge shots as spy, thanks for the info.
ok but spies cant 1-shot a sniper either way
the point is that snipers are playing as part of the combo so if he gets amby headshot/hit with another revolver like 4 people are gonna turn around and fuck up the spy's aim with spam and/or kill him.
Razerback has led to the hl meta to be "whoever has the sniper that plays the gayest wins"
[quote=fatswimdude][quote=Paladin_IMS][quote=floey]just stay scoped for 1 more sec lol[/quote]
didn't know that you could scope in and charge shots as spy, thanks for the info.[/quote]
ok but spies cant 1-shot a sniper either way[/quote]
the point is that snipers are playing as part of the combo so if he gets amby headshot/hit with another revolver like 4 people are gonna turn around and fuck up the spy's aim with spam and/or kill him.
Razerback has led to the hl meta to be "whoever has the sniper that plays the gayest wins"
idk dude if ur trying to make hl less gay then sniper probably isnt the right place to start
idk dude if ur trying to make hl less gay then sniper probably isnt the right place to start
Why change the razorback when you could just remove it? imo that would be the better option...
Why change the razorback when you could just remove it? imo that would be the better option...
Just ban the razorback, snipers are op in hl anyway while spy is if anything kind of underpowered if you look at logs of plat games. Snipers arent constantly alive quite as much, spies have a new #1 target, game is more fun for all
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except its hl so its not fun anyway but w/e
Just ban the razorback, snipers are op in hl anyway while spy is if anything kind of underpowered if you look at logs of plat games. Snipers arent constantly alive quite as much, spies have a new #1 target, game is more fun for all [spoiler]except its hl so its not fun anyway but w/e[/spoiler]
pazerWhy change the razorback when you could just remove it? imo that would be the better option...
If you remove it you can't use it in pubs where spies are the only things that can kill you
the nerf would be good but banning it in HL would be fine too
[quote=pazer]Why change the razorback when you could just remove it? imo that would be the better option...[/quote]
If you remove it you can't use it in pubs where spies are the only things that can kill you
the nerf would be good but banning it in HL would be fine too
fatswimdudeidk dude if ur trying to make hl less gay then sniper probably isnt the right place to start
why not? sniper is still the most obnoxious part of highlander and the most out of place class in tf2
[quote=fatswimdude]idk dude if ur trying to make hl less gay then sniper probably isnt the right place to start[/quote]
why not? sniper is still the most obnoxious part of highlander and the most out of place class in tf2
sniper is kind of broken in hl, sniper wins and loses games in most instances, if he is next to the combo and with a pyro spy checking alot of times it can only be killed by the opposing sniper and and just hold off pushes unless you team wants to most of your uber just walking.
sniper is kind of broken in hl, sniper wins and loses games in most instances, if he is next to the combo and with a pyro spy checking alot of times it can only be killed by the opposing sniper and and just hold off pushes unless you team wants to most of your uber just walking.
Spy and sniper aren't the only things that can deal with a sniper. It's just that people seem consider all of their other classes too valuable to risk a play for sniper picks.
That being said, it's not like there is literally no window of opportunity to kill snipers especially as spy.
You literally just need to have your teammates distract the enemy combo long enough for you to fire 2-3 bullets. If your teammates can't keep the enemy combo occupied for a solid 2 seconds then you would probably lose the game regardless of if the enemy sniper was a carry or not.
Spy and sniper aren't the only things that can deal with a sniper. It's just that people seem consider all of their other classes too valuable to risk a play for sniper picks.
That being said, it's not like there is literally no window of opportunity to kill snipers especially as spy.
You literally just need to have your teammates distract the enemy combo long enough for you to fire 2-3 bullets. If your teammates can't keep the enemy combo occupied for a solid 2 seconds then you would probably lose the game regardless of if the enemy sniper was a carry or not.
I dont think the razorback should be changed, specially not in the way proposed, it's a good balanced unlock for pubs.
if its a problem in highlander just ban it (or deal with it)..
now as for darwins danger shield, please. that unlock is actually retarded and the kinda thing that makes me lose all faith in game devs.
I dont think the razorback should be changed, specially not in the way proposed, it's a good balanced unlock for pubs.
if its a problem in highlander just ban it (or deal with it)..
now as for darwins danger shield, please. that unlock is actually retarded and the kinda thing that makes me lose all faith in game devs.