You guys cry over every little thing :/. It has been the same for a while why change it.

also remove turbine its a god awful map for dm

Fighting against snipers is more fun when you boston basher them and let them bleed, or jump into them to hit once and then melee, or whatever the hell else you like. I've never understood why people are so into focusing the sniper, because it's boring as fuck. It's more fun to fuck with them, or hit them once and move on. If you let them live.... You know where they're sniping from. No free shots.

Only time I don't really like playing with snipers is when it's not a full server, and one side is getting fucked due to a lack of fragging ability, and focus fire.

Killing the sniper doesn't make him stop shooting because he spawns instantly.

Getting killed by the sniper doesn't make you lose anything either because you also spawn instantly. The only reason to dislike snipers in DM is because they make you lose your fights sometimes, but why do you care? It's dm.

Personally I play sniper when scout is full because I don't care to improve my soldier or demo DM since I don't play those classes. It actually annoys me quite a bit when soldiers or scouts go out of their way to kill a sniper in DM. You gain nothing out of the easy kill and the sniper isn't gaining anything by being constantly bombed.

These threads are made frequently and even though DM server admins are on this site all the time they never get fixed.

Things I love about the DM server:

- the targe is legal, so if you're playing soldier or demo you have to hit a charging idiot for minimal damage while he runs away to health packs spamming pipes

- people jump around with the market gardener or caber essentially wasting everyone's time inside and outside the server (the chances that someone who actually wants to play/warm up/practice is likely waiting on autojoin)

- freight is a map! lol! I dunno about you guys but my preferred method of practice is dodging trains on an outdated, irrelevant map

- isn't the jarate still legal too? like seriously is this 2010?

- the loch n load is legal, just because everyone needs to get their daily dose of banned weapon practice by spamming 1-shot pipes across the map

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You couldn't have just gone for "Problems with DM servers"??

Market Gardner just gives soldiers that do nothing but bomb the whole time an excuse to be only fight people that aren't aware of their presence.

I actually agree. I remember the old DM servers actually had admins that would actively kick/ban people.

There really is no legitimate way to use 8 stickies in DM

Literally the best argument of all time. If it has been this way for a while, it surely must be the RIGHT way, right? Tell that to every single example of human prgress. There are legitimate issues with DM servers that are entirely unnecessary, and foster a worse experience for the users for absolutely no reason. Just fucking fix them, nobody needs to practice their Charging, their LnL pipes, their caber aim, their sticky trapping, or their sniping in a fucking DM server.

Agreed, but I never really understood the philosophy of the server in the first place. I suppose there may be people who are uninterested in competitive play (and thus don't know or care about esea) who want to use weapons like the LnL and the caber. But that's just it -- is this for competitive players or for everyone? I was always under the impression it was for competitive players. Pubs are pretty much a DM server for anyone uninterested in competitive play. So ideally you would want to replicate an in-game situation as accurately as possible. Why not ban everything that isn't in competitive play? Even maps. I can deal with turbine because it emphasizes deathmatching more than any other map. But the situations you run into on an dm server can definitely help you in a match or scrim. That is, if you have maps that are relevant. I don't think the awesome train surfing headshot you got on the soldier will every come up in a real game.

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why not? its not hard to juke stickies, in which case you need to use more of them. believe it or not, you CAN practice sticky aim, and believe it or not, you CAN run out of stickies when legitimately trying to warm up/practice. why would you intentionally limit a class's abilities that are not limited in a match/scrim setting because of a few bad apples?

while were at it, limit rockets to 2, and shotgun to 3, and sniper reserve ammo to 4, also remove the soldier capability to rocket jump. scout double jump? remove that nonsense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yytbDZrw1jc

I use the targe if I only want to practice pipe aim. It just gives me some more resistance to explosions so i get more time to pipe people.

yeah because a demo which is essentially a tank already needs more resistance in DM, just so you can practice aiming pipes???? that is beyond retarded please stop

i feel like there was already a thread like this before, essentially who ever runs these servers just stays off the grid. someone handed out admin to like 4 people and the whitelist is still outdated all the time. please maintain the servers better why is that so difficult when so many people use them on a regular basis

Why is it whoever is given admin is never a regular DM player?

Unf is right, it's not the classes fault some idiots like to sticky trap house badlands mid MGE or camp granary doors with sticky traps in DM mod. Stickies should just disappear after 2-5 seconds to prevent trap abuse, but he should be able to shoot his stickies in a DM situation as any demo normally would (left click/right click spam.) Lowering the size of his magazine is not really a fix, just a random nerf.

I can understand you not wanting to work on demo or soldier, so you snipe if scout is full. It's the people that go to DM servers for the sole purpose of playing sniper. And I think you just said it yourself why sniper is dumb, "You gain nothing out of the easy kill and the sniper isn't gaining anything by being constantly bombed." It's a lose-lose situation, so why would anyone go sniper in DM?

And Unff, I would be totally fine with not limiting the demo's stickies, but only if the admins were active enough to kick the players that lay down carpet traps, and just spam them at completely unaware players non-stop. If you are using them to actually fight people, then I'd be okay with a demo having all 8. The problem is none of the admins seem to be around to deal with the players that are abusing it, so limiting demo to 2 or 3 stickies would be an easier solution.

As for the Targe, Clockwork nailed it. It's dumb when a demo can absorb so much damage, then just charge away towards a health pack while spamming pipes. If you only want to practice your pipes, then use sticky jumper so that you can still jump up to places (Gpit roof, process crates, granary crates, etc.), but you can only do damage w/ pipes. Saying that the targe gives you "more time to practice pipes" is stupid when it's SOAP DM and there are no respawns.

you snipe in dm to get good at the high pressure in your face shots, its not a hard concept

Yes, I think we've all said this. Sniping in DM is good for the sniper (until everyone starts bombing the hell out of him), but a waste of time for everyone else in the server, and those waiting to get into the server. The sniper can get pretty much the same practice in a pub, sniper vs. sniper servers, or even mge. All of those things do not waste other people's time.

If you guys played on my DM servers, you wouldn't have these issues

where everybody runs in a straight line and doesnt care about you? good one

yeah im sure we all need practice 2nd scoping a stationary target

are you being serious right now?

id argue soldiers who do nothing but bomb people who arent looking at them waste tons of peoples time and scouts who only shoot people in the back waste peoples time

dm was terrible from the day it was created but its all in good fun

dm is a classic mod in any fps whether its quake, cs or tf2 and its always fun. but hey to each their own i guess.

honestly i think there should be a vanilla style DM server as well as the current servers (with a proper updated ESEA whitelist). so if people wanna play with all the retarded unlocks then by all means, but if you wanna go to a server that is just the regular weapons and no charge n targe, DH etc then you will have the option to do so

Just joined a dm server and found out huntsman is banned, where am I supposed to practice my huntsman aim? Pubs and lobbies are too easy, and I get banned to fast from irc, help

If you happened to join my DM server, there's an ESEA based whitelist on it. I also just recently fixed the Headshot Only plugin on both DM servers for Sniper.

It is dumb, but I think the way to make the best out of it is by ignoring snipers. Killing them does nothing but waste your time and theirs. People sniping full time in DM is stupid, but if someone is sniping why go out of your way to make a stupid thing even worse?

These threads are so unbearably pointless.

It's freaking DM. It's nothing more or less than what DM has been in every other game. If you want to practice and get better, do it. Bitching about everything that kills you isn't going to make you better.

Scouts will shoot you in the back while you fight another player.
Demos will shoot you in the back while you fight another player.
Soldiers will shoot you in the back while you fight another player.
Scouts will exploit terrain to gain an advantage over you.
Soldiers will use height to gain an advantage over you.
Demos will use height to gain an advantage over you.
Scouts will use both weapons to kill you.
Soldiers will use both weapons to kill you.
Demos will use both weapons to kill you.
Snipers will shoot you in the back while you fight another player.
Snipers will abuse distance to gain an advantage over you.
Snipers will shoot you in the body.
etc

If you ban snipers, people will continue to bitch about demos using stickies.
If you ban/nerf stickies, people will continue to bitch about dumb weapons being allowed.
If you ban dumb weapons, people will continue to bitch about being shot while they're already fighting.

Face it: all of these things (except banned weapons) will happen during competitive games.

Again, it's freaking DM. Annoying shit is going to happen. Roll with it! Maybe you'll actually improve.