BonafideThe fact that people cheat on tests, take drugs, and whatever else just means the system values what you put on paper more on one test than if you actually understand the subject, and that's retarded.
Yeah I understand where you are coming from but also some kids take drugs cause they would rather party and play video games than study, but they want to stay in college so their parents don't make them get full time jobs
[quote=Bonafide]The fact that people cheat on tests, take drugs, and whatever else just means the system values what you put on paper more on one test than if you actually understand the subject, and that's retarded.[/quote]
Yeah I understand where you are coming from but also some kids take drugs cause they would rather party and play video games than study, but they want to stay in college so their parents don't make them get full time jobs
Why do people talk about things being 'natural' as if it was a guarantee it's healthy? That makes no sense, fucking snake venom or volcanic lava are natural but you don't take it if you don't want to die.
Why do people talk about things being 'natural' as if it was a guarantee it's healthy? That makes no sense, fucking snake venom or volcanic lava are natural but you don't take it if you don't want to die.
I'm pretty sure they mean natural as in, the human bodies creates this vitamin or substance itself, just not in the same quantity like vitamin supplements do, or melatonin. However saying something is good for you just because it grows naturally is retarded ofc.
I'm pretty sure they mean natural as in, the human bodies creates this vitamin or substance itself, just not in the same quantity like vitamin supplements do, or melatonin. However saying something is good for you just because it grows naturally is retarded ofc.
do americans actually take "performance enhancing" drugs in education?
do americans actually take "performance enhancing" drugs in education?
I've heard a lot of people do it, so I guess it's true.
I've heard a lot of people do it, so I guess it's true.
My roommate from last semester said he used to take adderall early on, he was in engineering. Then he switched to caffeine pills which he just kept in reserve. He was majoring in engineering. My first roommate didn't do that and neither does the one I have now.
My roommate from last semester said he used to take adderall early on, he was in engineering. Then he switched to caffeine pills which he just kept in reserve. He was majoring in engineering. My first roommate didn't do that and neither does the one I have now.
TangyyUnless you have an actual disorder, you should not take drugs like these. It only makes you depend on the drugs, which you should not, instead of learning to focus. You're just putting off the actual problem and wasting money while you are at it. You will be much better off if you learn to do it yourself than to rely on some pill.
If you do actually have ADHD or another disorder, than I apologize, and you should take what you need.
I've never actually been diagnosed with any disorders but then again I've never really talked to anybody about them. I have an extremely hard time focusing on task for a long time. Compared to people I know I seem to have a much harder time staying on topic
[quote=Tangyy]Unless you have an actual disorder, you should not take drugs like these. It only makes you depend on the drugs, which you should not, instead of learning to focus. You're just putting off the actual problem and wasting money while you are at it. You will be much better off if you learn to do it yourself than to rely on some pill.
If you do actually have ADHD or another disorder, than I apologize, and you should take what you need.[/quote]
I've never actually been diagnosed with any disorders but then again I've never really talked to anybody about them. I have an extremely hard time focusing on task for a long time. Compared to people I know I seem to have a much harder time staying on topic
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While self diagnosis usually means little to nothing, I'd recommend looking at the DSM-V requirements for ADHD if you're genuinely curious.
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While self diagnosis usually means little to nothing, I'd recommend looking at the DSM-V requirements for ADHD if you're genuinely curious.
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While self diagnosis usually means little to nothing, I'd recommend looking at the DSM-V requirements for ADHD if you're genuinely curious.
Yeah i've looked at it before and I'm by no means self-diagnosing myself. If I do have anything it would be very mild, I can do most things completely normally, just concentrating on school is really tough. If spending a few hundred dollars a year means I can not waste the $40 000 my parents have already payed for my 2 years of uni, I think that it would be completely worth it. That is why I've been asking for peoples opinions
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While self diagnosis usually means little to nothing, I'd recommend looking at the DSM-V requirements for ADHD if you're genuinely curious.[/quote]
Yeah i've looked at it before and I'm by no means self-diagnosing myself. If I do have anything it would be very mild, I can do most things completely normally, just concentrating on school is really tough. If spending a few hundred dollars a year means I can not waste the $40 000 my parents have already payed for my 2 years of uni, I think that it would be completely worth it. That is why I've been asking for peoples opinions
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While self diagnosis usually means little to nothing, I'd recommend looking at the DSM-V requirements for ADHD if you're genuinely curious.
Yeah i've looked at it before and I'm by no means self-diagnosing myself. If I do have anything it would be very mild, I can do most things completely normally, just concentrating on school is really tough. If spending a few hundred dollars a year means I can not waste the $40 000 my parents have already payed for my 2 years of uni, I think that it would be completely worth it. That is why I've been asking for peoples opinions
If you are serious and think you legitimately have ADHD, then go to a doctor and get a diagnosis. It's worth the money, but only if you legitimately believe that you have an issue, everyone has trouble concentrating at some points. I dropped out of college after a couple months when I first went, because I could never really focus on anything and I also had no study skills or time management skills. I got diagnosed with ADHD a couple months later when I was 19, and got an adderall prescription. It's a godsend, as it allows me to actually focus on things, but it's only one part of how to help yourself. There are a bunch of things that can help that are just as critical, like proper nutrition and exercise. It also doesn't choose what to focus for you, if you still are going to dick around and focus on playing video games all day then you're just going to focus on that.
That being said, best of luck. A doctor helps not only with getting a script legally, but also with advice on how to take it without fucking yourself up too much, and other things for managing whatever your needs are. Honestly imo, if you don't have healthy habits right now, I would try to fix those before going to a doctor and potentially wasting the money.
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While self diagnosis usually means little to nothing, I'd recommend looking at the DSM-V requirements for ADHD if you're genuinely curious.[/quote]
Yeah i've looked at it before and I'm by no means self-diagnosing myself. If I do have anything it would be very mild, I can do most things completely normally, just concentrating on school is really tough. If spending a few hundred dollars a year means I can not waste the $40 000 my parents have already payed for my 2 years of uni, I think that it would be completely worth it. That is why I've been asking for peoples opinions[/quote]
If you are serious and think you legitimately have ADHD, then go to a doctor and get a diagnosis. It's worth the money, but only if you legitimately believe that you have an issue, everyone has trouble concentrating at some points. I dropped out of college after a couple months when I first went, because I could never really focus on anything and I also had no study skills or time management skills. I got diagnosed with ADHD a couple months later when I was 19, and got an adderall prescription. It's a godsend, as it allows me to actually focus on things, but it's only one part of how to help yourself. There are a bunch of things that can help that are just as critical, like proper nutrition and exercise. It also doesn't choose what to focus for you, if you still are going to dick around and focus on playing video games all day then you're just going to focus on that.
That being said, best of luck. A doctor helps not only with getting a script legally, but also with advice on how to take it without fucking yourself up too much, and other things for managing whatever your needs are. Honestly imo, if you don't have healthy habits right now, I would try to fix those before going to a doctor and potentially wasting the money.
Concerta is basically the equivalent of adderal
Concerta is basically the equivalent of adderal
SpaceGhostsCoffeeAbrissolyAbriss snip
While self diagnosis usually means little to nothing, I'd recommend looking at the DSM-V requirements for ADHD if you're genuinely curious.
Yeah i've looked at it before and I'm by no means self-diagnosing myself. If I do have anything it would be very mild, I can do most things completely normally, just concentrating on school is really tough. If spending a few hundred dollars a year means I can not waste the $40 000 my parents have already payed for my 2 years of uni, I think that it would be completely worth it. That is why I've been asking for peoples opinions
If you are serious and think you legitimately have ADHD, then go to a doctor and get a diagnosis. It's worth the money, but only if you legitimately believe that you have an issue, everyone has trouble concentrating at some points. I dropped out of college after a couple months when I first went, because I could never really focus on anything and I also had no study skills or time management skills. I got diagnosed with ADHD a couple months later when I was 19, and got an adderall prescription. It's a godsend, as it allows me to actually focus on things, but it's only one part of how to help yourself. There are a bunch of things that can help that are just as critical, like proper nutrition and exercise. It also doesn't choose what to focus for you, if you still are going to dick around and focus on playing video games all day then you're just going to focus on that.
That being said, best of luck. A doctor helps not only with getting a script legally, but also with advice on how to take it without fucking yourself up too much, and other things for managing whatever your needs are. Honestly imo, if you don't have healthy habits right now, I would try to fix those before going to a doctor and potentially wasting the money.
Before you got diagnosed with ADHD what did you experience when trying to study? before I go see a doctor I wanna be pretty confident that I actually have an issue.
[quote=SpaceGhostsCoffee][quote=Abriss][quote=oly][quote=Abriss] snip [/quote]
While self diagnosis usually means little to nothing, I'd recommend looking at the DSM-V requirements for ADHD if you're genuinely curious.[/quote]
Yeah i've looked at it before and I'm by no means self-diagnosing myself. If I do have anything it would be very mild, I can do most things completely normally, just concentrating on school is really tough. If spending a few hundred dollars a year means I can not waste the $40 000 my parents have already payed for my 2 years of uni, I think that it would be completely worth it. That is why I've been asking for peoples opinions[/quote]
If you are serious and think you legitimately have ADHD, then go to a doctor and get a diagnosis. It's worth the money, but only if you legitimately believe that you have an issue, everyone has trouble concentrating at some points. I dropped out of college after a couple months when I first went, because I could never really focus on anything and I also had no study skills or time management skills. I got diagnosed with ADHD a couple months later when I was 19, and got an adderall prescription. It's a godsend, as it allows me to actually focus on things, but it's only one part of how to help yourself. There are a bunch of things that can help that are just as critical, like proper nutrition and exercise. It also doesn't choose what to focus for you, if you still are going to dick around and focus on playing video games all day then you're just going to focus on that.
That being said, best of luck. A doctor helps not only with getting a script legally, but also with advice on how to take it without fucking yourself up too much, and other things for managing whatever your needs are. Honestly imo, if you don't have healthy habits right now, I would try to fix those before going to a doctor and potentially wasting the money.[/quote]
Before you got diagnosed with ADHD what did you experience when trying to study? before I go see a doctor I wanna be pretty confident that I actually have an issue.
AbrissSpaceGhostsCoffeeAbrissolyAbriss snip
While self diagnosis usually means little to nothing, I'd recommend looking at the DSM-V requirements for ADHD if you're genuinely curious.
Yeah i've looked at it before and I'm by no means self-diagnosing myself. If I do have anything it would be very mild, I can do most things completely normally, just concentrating on school is really tough. If spending a few hundred dollars a year means I can not waste the $40 000 my parents have already payed for my 2 years of uni, I think that it would be completely worth it. That is why I've been asking for peoples opinions
If you are serious and think you legitimately have ADHD, then go to a doctor and get a diagnosis. It's worth the money, but only if you legitimately believe that you have an issue, everyone has trouble concentrating at some points. I dropped out of college after a couple months when I first went, because I could never really focus on anything and I also had no study skills or time management skills. I got diagnosed with ADHD a couple months later when I was 19, and got an adderall prescription. It's a godsend, as it allows me to actually focus on things, but it's only one part of how to help yourself. There are a bunch of things that can help that are just as critical, like proper nutrition and exercise. It also doesn't choose what to focus for you, if you still are going to dick around and focus on playing video games all day then you're just going to focus on that.
That being said, best of luck. A doctor helps not only with getting a script legally, but also with advice on how to take it without fucking yourself up too much, and other things for managing whatever your needs are. Honestly imo, if you don't have healthy habits right now, I would try to fix those before going to a doctor and potentially wasting the money.
Before you got diagnosed with ADHD what did you experience when trying to study? before I go see a doctor I wanna be pretty confident that I actually have an issue.
Specifically, I have Inattentive type, not Hyperactive. I had trouble focusing for extended periods of time for most things, with a few exceptions (video games being one of them). This was for my for my whole life. I never studied or did homework in the first place, so even if I actually attempted to do so, I'd get distracted and go off and do something else or just keep sitting and spacing out. It would even happen in conversations or while doing practically anything, not just productive things. There's also a point that there's much more to a diagnosis than just having trouble focusing, other things like extremely poor listening skills and often losing track of things are big indicators.
[quote=Abriss][quote=SpaceGhostsCoffee][quote=Abriss][quote=oly][quote=Abriss] snip [/quote]
While self diagnosis usually means little to nothing, I'd recommend looking at the DSM-V requirements for ADHD if you're genuinely curious.[/quote]
Yeah i've looked at it before and I'm by no means self-diagnosing myself. If I do have anything it would be very mild, I can do most things completely normally, just concentrating on school is really tough. If spending a few hundred dollars a year means I can not waste the $40 000 my parents have already payed for my 2 years of uni, I think that it would be completely worth it. That is why I've been asking for peoples opinions[/quote]
If you are serious and think you legitimately have ADHD, then go to a doctor and get a diagnosis. It's worth the money, but only if you legitimately believe that you have an issue, everyone has trouble concentrating at some points. I dropped out of college after a couple months when I first went, because I could never really focus on anything and I also had no study skills or time management skills. I got diagnosed with ADHD a couple months later when I was 19, and got an adderall prescription. It's a godsend, as it allows me to actually focus on things, but it's only one part of how to help yourself. There are a bunch of things that can help that are just as critical, like proper nutrition and exercise. It also doesn't choose what to focus for you, if you still are going to dick around and focus on playing video games all day then you're just going to focus on that.
That being said, best of luck. A doctor helps not only with getting a script legally, but also with advice on how to take it without fucking yourself up too much, and other things for managing whatever your needs are. Honestly imo, if you don't have healthy habits right now, I would try to fix those before going to a doctor and potentially wasting the money.[/quote]
Before you got diagnosed with ADHD what did you experience when trying to study? before I go see a doctor I wanna be pretty confident that I actually have an issue.[/quote]
Specifically, I have Inattentive type, not Hyperactive. I had trouble focusing for extended periods of time for most things, with a few exceptions (video games being one of them). This was for my for my whole life. I never studied or did homework in the first place, so even if I actually attempted to do so, I'd get distracted and go off and do something else or just keep sitting and spacing out. It would even happen in conversations or while doing practically anything, not just productive things. There's also a point that there's much more to a diagnosis than just having trouble focusing, other things like extremely poor listening skills and often losing track of things are big indicators.
One of the reasons why I thought that it wouldn't be worth going to see a doctor about it is because I could focus on video games for such a long amount of time. I think this is because every situation is different and im always thinking about something different. The other stuff you described is really making me think I should go see a doctor asap. After about 20 minutes of studying I just start to space out and think about completely irrelevant shit, I end up staring out my window for minutes at a time even though I should be focused on studying. I have never really noticed spacing out during conversations unless there is something to distract me though. Also, thanks a lot for this, comparing what you felt to what I feel might be just what I need to go to the doctor
One of the reasons why I thought that it wouldn't be worth going to see a doctor about it is because I could focus on video games for such a long amount of time. I think this is because every situation is different and im always thinking about something different. The other stuff you described is really making me think I should go see a doctor asap. After about 20 minutes of studying I just start to space out and think about completely irrelevant shit, I end up staring out my window for minutes at a time even though I should be focused on studying. I have never really noticed spacing out during conversations unless there is something to distract me though. Also, thanks a lot for this, comparing what you felt to what I feel might be just what I need to go to the doctor
adhd is better described as extreme difficulty directing focus rather than difficulty focusing/short attention span. I can't diagnose you abriss but I would definitely recommend seeing a doctor, medication could change your life.
adhd is better described as extreme difficulty [i]directing[/i] focus rather than difficulty focusing/short attention span. I can't diagnose you abriss but I would definitely recommend seeing a doctor, medication could change your life.
piracetam and aniracetam might give you slighty better mental clarity which probably wouldnt affect your life in any noticeable way but it definitely potentiates the effects of mdma.
piracetam and aniracetam might give you slighty better mental clarity which probably wouldnt affect your life in any noticeable way but it definitely potentiates the effects of mdma.
If you have a concern about a medication, your well-being, any of that; see a doctor, not a gaming forum.
Speaking of... I am in no way a medical professional, I can only speak from my experience. I was suggested and prescribed concerta for what is now referred to as ADHD, I rather quickly decided to drop it (for personal reasons, not those of effect).
My issues resurfaced for several years until (around the entrance to higher education) I realized that if I wanted to function I had to consciously mold my behaviors in a way that was conducive to... getting shit done. It took some consideration (and on a few occasions being cussed out) but logical steps led to a system that works for me (and has become second nature). Understanding where your problems reside is key, but you have to follow that up by addressing them (accepting them doesn't get help anything).
Finding a solution could be as straightforward as going to a doctor, and deciding to begin with a medication prescribed, something more akin to my methods, who knows... hell you're not me. It varies from person to person, but I've never known anybody to really benefit from the "cures" that advertise themselves without educated, medical support.
Not trying to shoot anyone down, just an urging of some caution.
If you have a concern about a medication, your well-being, any of that; see a doctor, not a gaming forum.
Speaking of... I am in no way a medical professional, I can only speak from my experience. I was suggested and prescribed concerta for what is now referred to as ADHD, I rather quickly decided to drop it (for personal reasons, not those of effect).
My issues resurfaced for several years until (around the entrance to higher education) I realized that if I wanted to function I had to consciously mold my behaviors in a way that was conducive to... getting shit done. It took some consideration (and on a few occasions being cussed out) but logical steps led to a system that works for me (and has become second nature). Understanding where your problems reside is key, but you have to follow that up by addressing them (accepting them doesn't get help anything).
Finding a solution could be as straightforward as going to a doctor, and deciding to begin with a medication prescribed, something more akin to my methods, who knows... hell you're not me. It varies from person to person, but I've never known anybody to really benefit from the "cures" that advertise themselves without educated, medical support.
Not trying to shoot anyone down, just an urging of some caution.
DAS44If you have a concern about a medication, your well-being, any of that; see a doctor, not a gaming forum.
Speaking of... I am in no way a medical professional, I can only speak from my experience. I was suggested and prescribed concerta for what is now referred to as ADHD, I rather quickly decided to drop it (for personal reasons, not those of effect).
My issues resurfaced for several years until (around the entrance to higher education) I realized that if I wanted to function I had to consciously mold my behaviors in a way that was conducive to... getting shit done. It took some consideration (and on a few occasions being cussed out) but logical steps led to a system that works for me (and has become second nature). Understanding where your problems reside is key, but you have to follow that up by addressing them (accepting them doesn't get help anything).
Finding a solution could be as straightforward as going to a doctor, and deciding to begin with a medication prescribed, something more akin to my methods, who knows... hell you're not me. It varies from person to person, but I've never known anybody to really benefit from the "cures" that advertise themselves without educated, medical support.
Not trying to shoot anyone down, just an urging of some caution.
I understand that a doctor is the best place to go. Before I did that I want to consult with some people that could be in a similar situation to me. I didn't really really notice any of this until now either, throughout highschool I barely studied, same with first year engineering, but this year it just wont cut it.
[quote=DAS44]If you have a concern about a medication, your well-being, any of that; see a doctor, not a gaming forum.
Speaking of... I am in no way a medical professional, I can only speak from my experience. I was suggested and prescribed concerta for what is now referred to as ADHD, I rather quickly decided to drop it (for personal reasons, not those of effect).
My issues resurfaced for several years until (around the entrance to higher education) I realized that if I wanted to function I had to consciously mold my behaviors in a way that was conducive to... getting shit done. It took some consideration (and on a few occasions being cussed out) but logical steps led to a system that works for me (and has become second nature). Understanding where your problems reside is key, but you have to follow that up by addressing them (accepting them doesn't get help anything).
Finding a solution could be as straightforward as going to a doctor, and deciding to begin with a medication prescribed, something more akin to my methods, who knows... hell you're not me. It varies from person to person, but I've never known anybody to really benefit from the "cures" that advertise themselves without educated, medical support.
Not trying to shoot anyone down, just an urging of some caution.[/quote]
I understand that a doctor is the best place to go. Before I did that I want to consult with some people that could be in a similar situation to me. I didn't really really notice any of this until now either, throughout highschool I barely studied, same with first year engineering, but this year it just wont cut it.
if your gonna waste money on drugs you might as well get cocain and acid. atleast it will do something
if your gonna waste money on drugs you might as well get cocain and acid. atleast it will do something
Don't know if you would consider phenibut a study drug, but its legal and you feel pretty good on it, it's more relaxing imo. You can buy like 50 or 100g for 20 bucks. Here's a good review of it http://www.gll-getalife.com/get-ripped/dietary-supplements/entry/phenibut-review . If you are just trying to focus more then just take some type of stimulant, adderall is everyone's choice at my school.
Don't know if you would consider phenibut a study drug, but its legal and you feel pretty good on it, it's more relaxing imo. You can buy like 50 or 100g for 20 bucks. Here's a good review of it http://www.gll-getalife.com/get-ripped/dietary-supplements/entry/phenibut-review . If you are just trying to focus more then just take some type of stimulant, adderall is everyone's choice at my school.
I have 'ADD' and used to have a lot of trouble focusing on stuff and eventually started using ritalin, worst decision I ever made regarding this subject. You are really not yourself anymore, you turn into a numbed down version of yourself who can just sit there and read without any creative thoughts. Just saying if you want to accomplish something, using drugs is just going to make it harder for you to do your job in the future without them.
I have 'ADD' and used to have a lot of trouble focusing on stuff and eventually started using ritalin, worst decision I ever made regarding this subject. You are really not yourself anymore, you turn into a numbed down version of yourself who can just sit there and read without any creative thoughts. Just saying if you want to accomplish something, using drugs is just going to make it harder for you to do your job in the future without them.
BonafideI have 'ADD' and used to have a lot of trouble focusing on stuff and eventually started using ritalin, worst decision I ever made regarding this subject. You are really not yourself anymore, you turn into a numbed down version of yourself who can just sit there and read without any creative thoughts. Just saying if you want to accomplish something, using drugs is just going to make it harder for you to do your job in the future without them.
ritalin is not a drug for people with ADHD and shouldn't be used to treat people with 'just' ADD, seeing as how you describe your experience with it
[quote=Bonafide]I have 'ADD' and used to have a lot of trouble focusing on stuff and eventually started using ritalin, worst decision I ever made regarding this subject. You are really not yourself anymore, you turn into a numbed down version of yourself who can just sit there and read without any creative thoughts. Just saying if you want to accomplish something, using drugs is just going to make it harder for you to do your job in the future without them.[/quote]
ritalin is not a drug for people with ADHD and shouldn't be used to treat people with 'just' ADD, seeing as how you describe your experience with it
quintoshBonafideI have 'ADD' and used to have a lot of trouble focusing on stuff and eventually started using ritalin, worst decision I ever made regarding this subject. You are really not yourself anymore, you turn into a numbed down version of yourself who can just sit there and read without any creative thoughts. Just saying if you want to accomplish something, using drugs is just going to make it harder for you to do your job in the future without them.
ritalin is not a drug for people with ADHD and shouldn't be used to treat people with 'just' ADD, seeing as how you describe your experience with it
Actually in my country Ritalin or not under it's trade name "Methylphenidate" is standard prescription for ADD in my country, but I'm sure you know a whole lot more about it.
Edit; and ofc I left out some of the miracles it can do for people, but generally you're a numbed dumb version of yourself. Also conversations become more literal and it's harder to understand implied or sarcastic jokes, these are my experiences of course.
[quote=quintosh][quote=Bonafide]I have 'ADD' and used to have a lot of trouble focusing on stuff and eventually started using ritalin, worst decision I ever made regarding this subject. You are really not yourself anymore, you turn into a numbed down version of yourself who can just sit there and read without any creative thoughts. Just saying if you want to accomplish something, using drugs is just going to make it harder for you to do your job in the future without them.[/quote]
ritalin is not a drug for people with ADHD and shouldn't be used to treat people with 'just' ADD, seeing as how you describe your experience with it[/quote]
Actually in my country Ritalin or not under it's trade name "Methylphenidate" is standard prescription for ADD in my country, but I'm sure you know a whole lot more about it.
Edit; and ofc I left out some of the miracles it can do for people, but generally you're a numbed dumb version of yourself. Also conversations become more literal and it's harder to understand implied or sarcastic jokes, these are my experiences of course.
rshadesdo americans actually take "performance enhancing" drugs in education?
yeah because our education system makes kids care more about their grades than them actually learning
[quote=rshades]do americans actually take "performance enhancing" drugs in education?[/quote]
yeah because our education system makes kids care more about their grades than them actually learning
Exactly! the way school, and a lot of universities/colleges work is ridiculous, you become a number in a system with your identity basically stripped away, do well on tests and you'll make it in life is their motto, while there are so many unemployed people who are great at what they do, but couldn't manage to take a test that decided their future for the next so many years (or the exact opposite, they did manage to pass the tests with good grades but found out that will not guarantee a job). Trust me I love learning and I think education is a necessity, but things need to change if we want a better world, and where to better begin change than in our education system?
Exactly! the way school, and a lot of universities/colleges work is ridiculous, you become a number in a system with your identity basically stripped away, do well on tests and you'll make it in life is their motto, while there are so many unemployed people who are great at what they do, but couldn't manage to take a test that decided their future for the next so many years (or the exact opposite, they did manage to pass the tests with good grades but found out that will not guarantee a job). Trust me I love learning and I think education is a necessity, but things need to change if we want a better world, and where to better begin change than in our education system?
BonafideThe fact that people cheat on tests, take drugs, and whatever else just means the system values what you put on paper more on one test than if you actually understand the subject, and that's retarded.
How are you supposed to gauge what people know on the subject without testing them? Should we just assume they know what they're doing without having any actual results? Great idea!
If you know the subject you can put it on paper
[quote=Bonafide]The fact that people cheat on tests, take drugs, and whatever else just means the system values what you put on paper more on one test than if you actually understand the subject, and that's retarded.[/quote]
How are you supposed to gauge what people know on the subject without testing them? Should we just assume they know what they're doing without having any actual results? Great idea!
If you know the subject you can put it on paper
Red_BonafideThe fact that people cheat on tests, take drugs, and whatever else just means the system values what you put on paper more on one test than if you actually understand the subject, and that's retarded.
How are you supposed to gauge what people know on the subject without testing them? Should we just assume they know what they're doing without having any actual results? Great idea!
If you know the subject you can put it on paper
Thanks again for your 15 year old insight on life. I really want to get into this subject and talk about it, but I have a lot of homework to finish.
[quote=Red_][quote=Bonafide]The fact that people cheat on tests, take drugs, and whatever else just means the system values what you put on paper more on one test than if you actually understand the subject, and that's retarded.[/quote]
How are you supposed to gauge what people know on the subject without testing them? Should we just assume they know what they're doing without having any actual results? Great idea!
If you know the subject you can put it on paper[/quote]
Thanks again for your 15 year old insight on life. I really want to get into this subject and talk about it, but I have a lot of homework to finish.
BonafidequintoshBonafideI have 'ADD' and used to have a lot of trouble focusing on stuff and eventually started using ritalin, worst decision I ever made regarding this subject. You are really not yourself anymore, you turn into a numbed down version of yourself who can just sit there and read without any creative thoughts. Just saying if you want to accomplish something, using drugs is just going to make it harder for you to do your job in the future without them.
ritalin is not a drug for people with ADHD and shouldn't be used to treat people with 'just' ADD, seeing as how you describe your experience with it
Actually in my country Ritalin or not under it's trade name "Methylphenidate" is standard prescription for ADD in my country, but I'm sure you know a whole lot more about it.
Edit; and ofc I left out some of the miracles it can do for people, but generally you're a numbed dumb version of yourself. Also conversations become more literal and it's harder to understand implied or sarcastic jokes, these are my experiences of course.
if you get prescriped methylphenidate then you got misdiagnosed. the things you describe are very common side effects for people suffering of depression , previous drug abuse or other cardiovascular/cerebral disorders
and just because you got on a trip when taking it doesn't mean it doesn't help anyone at all. so please stop labeling it a drug
[quote=Bonafide][quote=quintosh][quote=Bonafide]I have 'ADD' and used to have a lot of trouble focusing on stuff and eventually started using ritalin, worst decision I ever made regarding this subject. You are really not yourself anymore, you turn into a numbed down version of yourself who can just sit there and read without any creative thoughts. Just saying if you want to accomplish something, using drugs is just going to make it harder for you to do your job in the future without them.[/quote]
ritalin is not a drug for people with ADHD and shouldn't be used to treat people with 'just' ADD, seeing as how you describe your experience with it[/quote]
Actually in my country Ritalin or not under it's trade name "Methylphenidate" is standard prescription for ADD in my country, but I'm sure you know a whole lot more about it.
Edit; and ofc I left out some of the miracles it can do for people, but generally you're a numbed dumb version of yourself. Also conversations become more literal and it's harder to understand implied or sarcastic jokes, these are my experiences of course.[/quote]
if you get prescriped methylphenidate then you got misdiagnosed. the things you describe are very common side effects for people suffering of depression , previous drug abuse or other cardiovascular/cerebral disorders
and just because you got on a trip when taking it doesn't mean it doesn't help anyone at all. so please stop labeling it a drug