I've posted about this before but i really don't understand why as a community(NA) it's impossible to pug half of the map pool(sunshine,metalworks,granary,viaduct). i think viaduct is understandable from a medic/soldier standpoint but still the other maps really don't have an excuse. it's just funny when I hear dudes say they don't understand those maps' mids and they are the same dudes rtving the maps when you get in them pugs saying they don't want to play the map.
like why even have these maps in the league when people don't want to play them casually lol
just tired of only playing gully,snake,process,badlands
I've posted about this before but i really don't understand why as a community(NA) it's impossible to pug half of the map pool(sunshine,metalworks,granary,viaduct). i think viaduct is understandable from a medic/soldier standpoint but still the other maps really don't have an excuse. it's just funny when I hear dudes say they don't understand those maps' mids and they are the same dudes rtving the maps when you get in them pugs saying they don't want to play the map.
like why even have these maps in the league when people don't want to play them casually lol
just tired of only playing gully,snake,process,badlands
The excuses for Granary are the same as the excuses for not playing it in the leagues
Viaduct becomes a shitstorm of offclassing and pissy people
I don't know why people would hate on sunshine it plays almost exactly like process
Metalworks is fun
idk
The excuses for Granary are the same as the excuses for not playing it in the leagues
Viaduct becomes a shitstorm of offclassing and pissy people
I don't know why people would hate on sunshine it plays almost exactly like process
Metalworks is fun
idk
Yea I remember even in tf2mix people would play a lot of granary and metalworks, this seems new to tf2.pug.me
Yea I remember even in tf2mix people would play a lot of granary and metalworks, this seems new to tf2.pug.me
FUCK GRANARY NIGGA
IM FINNA PLAY EVERYTHING ELSE THO
EDIT: ACTUALLY GRANARY SCRIMS ARE 100x WORSE THAN GRANARY PUGS
LETS GO GRAN PUGS
FUCK GRANARY NIGGA
IM FINNA PLAY EVERYTHING ELSE THO
EDIT: ACTUALLY GRANARY SCRIMS ARE 100x WORSE THAN GRANARY PUGS
LETS GO GRAN PUGS
viaduct is fine with classlimit_sniper 0
viaduct is fine with classlimit_sniper 0
Viaduct pugs aren't going to be fun unless you're ok with offclassing nearly 24/7 because that's just how it is
Granary and Sunshine are both fine no idea why they're not pugged, the only bad part is gran mid but it's really not that big of a deal
All the problems with metalworks aren't really seen in pugs since it's actually the worst when it comes to stalemates and pushes but there's not really the same level of coordination in pugs
Viaduct pugs aren't going to be fun unless you're ok with offclassing nearly 24/7 because that's just how it is
Granary and Sunshine are both fine no idea why they're not pugged, the only bad part is gran mid but it's really not that big of a deal
All the problems with metalworks aren't really seen in pugs since it's actually the worst when it comes to stalemates and pushes but there's not really the same level of coordination in pugs
metalworks and granary are kinda shitty to play as some classes so people rtv because pugs are for fun
sunshine is fun and people are dumb, also earlier versions might've left people with a shitty taste in their mouth about it
viaduct, as well as coalplant and gravilpit are fucking aids to play cause people offclass. if the enemy team is good at the off classes, you have to fight a heavy and sniper for 30 minutes which isn't fun, if your team isn't good at off classes, you have to play 5v6 for 30 minutes
metalworks and granary are kinda shitty to play as some classes so people rtv because pugs are for fun
sunshine is fun and people are dumb, also earlier versions might've left people with a shitty taste in their mouth about it
viaduct, as well as coalplant and gravilpit are fucking aids to play cause people offclass. if the enemy team is good at the off classes, you have to fight a heavy and sniper for 30 minutes which isn't fun, if your team isn't good at off classes, you have to play 5v6 for 30 minutes
people who won't pug gran/metal/sunshine are pussies
viaduct is aids the second someone offclasses though
I only really care about playing something besides 24/7 process tbh
people who won't pug gran/metal/sunshine are pussies
viaduct is aids the second someone offclasses though
I only really care about playing something besides 24/7 process tbh
saamviaduct is fine with classlimit_sniper 0
i mean this doesnt rly make sense either
like there are other spots in maps where sniper is the god and as the enemy team you have to clench your buttcheeks praying to god the sniper isn't hitting everything
when viaduct was pugged in pug.na people offclassed a lot but it never was too bad imo. offclassing is gonna happen, it's just the nature of the map but this happens in other maps too
i bet you've played countless pugs on the other maps where a nigga stays on sniper or goes spy for most of the game
[quote=saam]viaduct is fine with classlimit_sniper 0[/quote]
i mean this doesnt rly make sense either
like there are other spots in maps where sniper is the god and as the enemy team you have to clench your buttcheeks praying to god the sniper isn't hitting everything
when viaduct was pugged in pug.na people offclassed a lot but it never was too bad imo. offclassing is gonna happen, it's just the nature of the map but this happens in other maps too
i bet you've played countless pugs on the other maps where a nigga stays on sniper or goes spy for most of the game
"there's no fucking way im playing <map>, rtv this shit"
the peer pressure gets me every time... FeelsBadMan
"there's no fucking way im playing <map>, rtv this shit"
the peer pressure gets me every time... FeelsBadMan
possible fix: tf2.pug.me goes through rotation instead of always defaulting to metalworks/gran like it does now, rtv is made unanimous so that it is used mostly for if there is an actual server issue
possible fix: tf2.pug.me goes through rotation instead of always defaulting to metalworks/gran like it does now, rtv is made unanimous so that it is used mostly for if there is an actual server issue
I enjoyed granary, metalworks, sunshine and viaduct thoroughly.
theyre well designed and fun maps imo
I enjoyed granary, metalworks, sunshine and viaduct thoroughly.
theyre well designed and fun maps imo
Viaduct makes perfect sense considering how much it encourages retard sniper mains.
Metalworks and sunshine are two maps which no one likes to play in league so they naturally avoid them in pugs. How often are those maps scrimmed outside of their respective weeks?
The only people who dislike granary are people who don't know how to play it and scout mains mad at not being the de facto best dm class.
Viaduct makes perfect sense considering how much it encourages retard sniper mains.
Metalworks and sunshine are two maps which no one likes to play in league so they naturally avoid them in pugs. How often are those maps scrimmed outside of their respective weeks?
The only people who dislike granary are people who don't know how to play it and scout mains mad at not being the de facto best dm class.
WaldoViaduct makes perfect sense considering how much it encourages retard sniper mains.
Metalworks and sunshine are two maps which no one likes to play in league so they naturally avoid them in pugs. How often are those maps scrimmed outside of their respective weeks?
The only people who dislike granary are people who don't know how to play it and scout mains mad at not being the de facto best dm class.
metalworks is actually not that good (slightly better granary imo), but sunshine is ~okay
people don't like granary because it doesn't fit the way the game is played nowadays. back in 2008/9 when people waddled around 90% of the time and carnage's jump from the sign on the floor to the top of the first crate was groundbreaking, the map was fine. now that people actually know how to hold chokes, how to rocket jump/rollout, and how to punish mistakes, the map is not fun. it's very choke-oriented, there is essentially no flank, and there's no specific terrain for soldiers, scouts, or medics to bring some flair to their movement. granary is absolutely the most obsolete map in the rotation and much less fun to play than either sunshine or metalworks.
usually when I pug the map I play soldier just to refute the ridiculous idea that only scouts don't like it. shockingly, it still isn't fun.
[quote=Waldo]Viaduct makes perfect sense considering how much it encourages retard sniper mains.
Metalworks and sunshine are two maps which no one likes to play in league so they naturally avoid them in pugs. How often are those maps scrimmed outside of their respective weeks?
The only people who dislike granary are people who don't know how to play it and scout mains mad at not being the de facto best dm class.[/quote]
metalworks is actually not that good (slightly better granary imo), but sunshine is ~okay
people don't like granary because it doesn't fit the way the game is played nowadays. back in 2008/9 when people waddled around 90% of the time and carnage's jump from the sign on the floor to the top of the first crate was groundbreaking, the map was fine. now that people actually know how to hold chokes, how to rocket jump/rollout, and how to punish mistakes, the map is not fun. it's very choke-oriented, there is essentially no flank, and there's no specific terrain for soldiers, scouts, or medics to bring some flair to their movement. granary is absolutely the most obsolete map in the rotation and much less fun to play than either sunshine or metalworks.
usually when I pug the map I play soldier just to refute the ridiculous idea that only scouts don't like it. shockingly, it still isn't fun.
granary doesn't have a spire
granary doesn't have a spire
should put granary pro instead of granary
also
cozenmap list is good. if ur having a long stalemate on metalworks, u solo ubers, see what happens, then repush. u guys just dont know how to effectively push. u have to be decisive and confident on the repush since the map is chokey and punishes u for just lingering in a choke and not doing anything. there is less room for error. this is the case for granary and even gullywash. like, ppl are saying the map is poorly made, but they dont even know how to play the game in the most effective way.
should put granary pro instead of granary
also
[quote=cozen]map list is good. if ur having a long stalemate on metalworks, u solo ubers, see what happens, then repush. u guys just dont know how to effectively push. u have to be decisive and confident on the repush since the map is chokey and punishes u for just lingering in a choke and not doing anything. there is less room for error. this is the case for granary and even gullywash. like, ppl are saying the map is poorly made, but they dont even know how to play the game in the most effective way.[/quote]
clckwrk there is essentially no flank
Not in the sense that there's a boring second entrance to each point whose sole function is to allow soldiers to watch themselves be chipshot for 1/2 the game, sure. Lunchbox and really that whole half of 2 is probably one of the most entertaining flanks in the game though.
clckwrk there's no specific terrain for soldiers, scouts, or medics to bring some flair to their movement.
Even ignoring lunchbox there's plenty of opportunities for interesting movement. Both pipes on last as well as the actual last point are great, so is the variety of jumps/surfs from catwalk on mid. The only place devoid of interesting geometry is yard, and its surroundings make up for it.
I can't think of a map with more viable but reasonable mids/pushes/hiding spots, which is definitely a plus for variety in playstyle.
The only way it's obsolete is that it's been played the longest of any map in rotation (?) and people already (should) know how to play it. Removing/changing maps because they're old is moronic; what other competitive game does that?
[quote=clckwrk] there is essentially no flank [/quote]
Not in the sense that there's a boring second entrance to each point whose sole function is to allow soldiers to watch themselves be chipshot for 1/2 the game, sure. Lunchbox and really that whole half of 2 is probably one of the most entertaining flanks in the game though.
[quote=clckwrk] there's no specific terrain for soldiers, scouts, or medics to bring some flair to their movement. [/quote]
Even ignoring lunchbox there's plenty of opportunities for interesting movement. Both pipes on last as well as the actual last point are great, so is the variety of jumps/surfs from catwalk on mid. The only place devoid of interesting geometry is yard, and its surroundings make up for it.
I can't think of a map with more viable but reasonable mids/pushes/hiding spots, which is definitely a plus for variety in playstyle.
The only way it's obsolete is that it's been played the longest of any map in rotation (?) and people already (should) know how to play it. Removing/changing maps [i]because[/i] they're old is moronic; what other competitive game does that?
While I enjoy granary I'm curious as to why you all vote it back in after voting it out
bring back coalplant or another good map idk
While I enjoy granary I'm curious as to why you all vote it back in after voting it out
bring back coalplant or another good map idk
WoogiebugWhile I enjoy granary I'm curious as to why you all vote it back in after voting it out
bring back coalplant or something idk
There is no better map to replace it with and it's fine.
[quote=Woogiebug]While I enjoy granary I'm curious as to why you all vote it back in after voting it out
bring back coalplant or something idk[/quote]
There is no better map to replace it with and it's fine.
Corsait's fine.
all i needed 2 hear thank u corsa
[quote=Corsa]it's fine.[/quote]
all i needed 2 hear thank u corsa
rowrowThe excuses for Granary are the same as the excuses for not playing it in the leagues
...perhaps this makes more sense in context of league players but from a outsider POV this explains nothing
[quote=rowrow]The excuses for Granary are the same as the excuses for not playing it in the leagues[/quote]
...perhaps this makes more sense in context of league players but from a outsider POV this explains nothing
Also fuck cp_granary_heresy it got rid of most of the hiding spots, map quirks, interesting geometry, and really everything that made it worth having in the pool, evidence that catering to the unwashed hordes who actually post in map threads is an awful idea.
Also fuck cp_granary_heresy it got rid of most of the hiding spots, map quirks, interesting geometry, and really everything that made it worth having in the pool, evidence that catering to the unwashed hordes who actually post in map threads is an awful idea.
kevsaamviaduct is fine with classlimit_sniper 0
i mean this doesnt rly make sense either
like there are other spots in maps where sniper is the god and as the enemy team you have to clench your buttcheeks praying to god the sniper isn't hitting everything
when viaduct was pugged in pug.na people offclassed a lot but it never was too bad imo. offclassing is gonna happen, it's just the nature of the map but this happens in other maps too
i bet you've played countless pugs on the other maps where a nigga stays on sniper or goes spy for most of the game
I think his comment is more just trying to discourage people from thinking they're a god at sniper (on a 'sniper map') so they don't just stay the class the whole time.
[quote=kev][quote=saam]viaduct is fine with classlimit_sniper 0[/quote]
i mean this doesnt rly make sense either
like there are other spots in maps where sniper is the god and as the enemy team you have to clench your buttcheeks praying to god the sniper isn't hitting everything
when viaduct was pugged in pug.na people offclassed a lot but it never was too bad imo. offclassing is gonna happen, it's just the nature of the map but this happens in other maps too
i bet you've played countless pugs on the other maps where a nigga stays on sniper or goes spy for most of the game[/quote]
I think his comment is more just trying to discourage people from thinking they're a god at sniper (on a 'sniper map') so they don't just stay the class the whole time.
WoogiebugWhile I enjoy granary I'm curious as to why you all vote it back in after voting it out
bring back coalplant or another good map idk
some people thought that gran pro was like the next coming of christ but then they soon realized that it was still granary
[quote=Woogiebug]While I enjoy granary I'm curious as to why you all vote it back in after voting it out
bring back coalplant or another good map idk[/quote]
some people thought that gran pro was like the next coming of christ but then they soon realized that it was still granary
I don't want to play those maps because imo process gully and snake are better in every way than every other map. I don't have any particular problem with the other maps, there's just no reason to want to play them unless you have already pugged for like 5 hours and are bored of the 3 best maps.
I don't want to play those maps because imo process gully and snake are better in every way than every other map. I don't have any particular problem with the other maps, there's just no reason to want to play them unless you have already pugged for like 5 hours and are bored of the 3 best maps.
WaldoAlso fuck cp_granary_heresy it got rid of most of the hiding spots, map quirks, interesting geometry, and really everything that made it worth having in the pool, evidence that catering to the unwashed hordes who actually post in map threads is an awful idea.
While I agree that gran pro took out many of the hiding spots, everything about the map in terms of respawn times/pushing out of last, choke points, and especially fucking ammo packs are so much better it's actually made the map fun to play for anyone that isn't a soldier.
[quote=Waldo]Also fuck cp_granary_heresy it got rid of most of the hiding spots, map quirks, interesting geometry, and really everything that made it worth having in the pool, evidence that catering to the unwashed hordes who actually post in map threads is an awful idea.[/quote]
While I agree that gran pro took out many of the hiding spots, everything about the map in terms of respawn times/pushing out of last, choke points, and especially fucking ammo packs are so much better it's actually made the map fun to play for anyone that isn't a soldier.
Yeah it makes me really sad when hiding spots on any map are removed
Also anybpug becomes pretty gay the moment there is a permanent offclass, no matter what map, it happens to be the most common on viaduct though
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Leaky ur a fag
Yeah it makes me really sad when hiding spots on any map are removed
Also anybpug becomes pretty gay the moment there is a permanent offclass, no matter what map, it happens to be the most common on viaduct though
[spoiler]Leaky ur a fag[/spoiler]
i actually really enjoy playing on granary but no one ever wants to do it
i actually really enjoy playing on granary but no one ever wants to do it
It's not that no one likes granary/sunshine/metalworks as much as it is that people like other maps more and tend to vote for them more. If you ask people what their favorite 6v6 map is at least 80% will say process/snake
It's not that no one likes granary/sunshine/metalworks as much as it is that people like other maps more and tend to vote for them more. If you ask people what their favorite 6v6 map is at least 80% will say process/snake