I don't want to play another MP shooter with an XP grind period. It's the current year and I should be able to pay for the game itself and have everything that allows me to play with everyone else.

Same, Dota2/CSGO is the better model for competitive. TF2 has a similar smaller problem with getting unlocks that aren't from achievements (I tried to keep up for 4 years before giving up on half the new unlocks). Thankfully most in TF2 suck, but still.

I agree, I always thought that was the great positives for Dota 2 and CSGO compared to LoL and Hearthstone. Also I usually keep my ubersaw, kritzkrieg, escape plan, and gunboats drops to give out to new players that want to join competitive. It sucks that people have to go as far as Milestone 2 & 3 for kritz and ubersaw. I hope Valve changes it to where maybe you can give kritz, ubersaw, escape plan, and ubersaw for free and replace the milestones with things like Crusader's Crossbow(or free?), Vitasaw, Black Box, and etc.

Offtopic but I can see there being a competitive starter pack with relevant unlocks being available free/cheap on the store/a reward for playing x matchmaking games or whatever. Although I wouldn't count on valve just accepting the current meta unlocks as the essentials but rather encourage players to use various/broken unlocks as they said they're trying to use matchmaking to gather balancing data.

valve including every single weapon ever (not counting reskins ofc, and untradeable/uncraftable) when you buy the comp mm pass (if that is a thing in the final product) would solve the weapon problem IMO. hopefully that's what valve ends up doing.

i mean, if you can get all those weapons by drop anyway, whats the harm in just giving them all to people who participate in comp mm?

The way they are phrasing it above the origin content box gives me little hope the heroes won't be behind a pay wall

"Overwatch: Origins Edition includes Overwatch, origin skins for 5 heroes, and a wealth of bonus content for multiple Blizzard games."

And it says 21 heroes in the normal version of overwatch as well

Now let's just pray

40 wouldn't be bad at all
40 with heroes being locked and having to grind hard or pay for them would be really bad

Well, sounds like we definitely get the initial heroes for that $40, but additional heroes seem quite liable to cost money in some way or another.

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garbagio retard pub mode shit

im more concerned about balance TBH
valve only has 9 characters and they have never really gotten the balance right
what makes blizzard think they can do it with 21
in their first FPS no less

It's a bit unfair to compare it solely to TF2, when the style of OW is very similar to things like Dota and LoL. And those games have done it with hundreds of characters.

Like valve was ever concerned with balance

yeah dota and league are so balanced right?
dota only recently has really hit a point where theres no stand out OP thing in the game, and league has patches every 2 weeks and still manages to find a way for things to be broken

sometimes imbalance actually creates the fun guys

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i mean without tf2 class limits both teams could run 4 demos that wouldnt make it fun tho

you say that until something OP becomes of it to the point where u can barely do anything anymore

Zerg was not the fun creating race in SC2, James.

woah marma, are you okay man?
side note both teams running the same team everytime gets pretty bland pretty fast

Balanced enough to be the biggest games in the world would be balanced enough for me

This was how I felt about Protoss during Blizzcon ;_;

i dont think their popularity stems from their balance

esspecially league, people say since its popular and more people play it, it makes it good but you can tell they put all their money into marketing and cosmetic shit 10 times more than dota instead of actually improving their game, ie. the sheer amount of fucking skins they just shit out

You were kind of right until you said the cosmetic shit. Dota 2 has quite a lot of cosmetics(there are possibly more cosmetics just for the head of a hero in Dota 2 than there are skins in LoL). But it's not the cosmetics that bring those people in(but possibly a reason to stay), it's just how casual and easy the game is to others. First the game was easy to get into so it attracted players, than those players attracted even more players including friends, family, and etc. It's a chain, you go to some high school and nearly all the asian kids play LoL because it's just their thing and their way of being "in".

But it is true that they focus more on their skins possibly and other stuff rather than actually improving the game. I'm sorry but when it's been like over a few years and the most used champion skills are Flash, Smite, and that other one, and the other ones are barely used, there is definitely a problem. The same goes to how many of the old champions in LoL become irrelevant.

Is anybody still getting in? Are they still even sending out waves or did they stop to make everyone prepurchase?

Unless ur a big streamer/youtuber you prob won't just "get in" before waves. There is one speculated for sometime later this week. They said "after Blizzcon", so that probably actually means sometime in the next 6 months l0l

listening to seagull's stream, hearing one of his friends' explanations as to how blizzard does tournament mode, and praying to god that I just misheard

OW is just doing stopwatch, right? it'd be absurd and heavily arbitrary to do otherwise

It's likely the game just hasn't had Stopwatch implemented yet - it's going to be necessary for the eSports scene. They were referring to a 3rd-party run tournament happening on the 14/11/2015 that isn't using Stopwatch because the organizers believe they lack the resources to time all the matches manually... there are 8 teams in the tournament.

I really hope they implement TF2 style push maps instead of stressing A/D maps.