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How much of a disadvantage is 60hz vs 120hz?
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Basically like the title says. How much of a disadvantage is 60hz vs 120hz?I play sniper and would like to go a higher divison but I have a 60hz monitor.Can I still outsnipe the other snipers with the monitor advantage?

Basically like the title says. How much of a disadvantage is 60hz vs 120hz?I play sniper and would like to go a higher divison but I have a 60hz monitor.Can I still outsnipe the other snipers with the monitor advantage?
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paskoHow much of a disadvantage is 60hz vs 120hz?

It's an advantage, but I wouldn't say it has a HUGE impact on how people play. Definitely makes tracking easier though.

paskoCan I still outsnipe the other snipers with the monitor advantage?

Yes, you most definitely can.

[quote=pasko]How much of a disadvantage is 60hz vs 120hz?[/quote]
It's an advantage, but I wouldn't say it has a HUGE impact on how people play. Definitely makes tracking easier though.

[quote=pasko]Can I still outsnipe the other snipers with the monitor advantage?[/quote]
Yes, you most definitely can.
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#3
16 Frags +

Shadowburn is one of the best DM soldiers and he plays with a 60hz monitor but there was definitely a reason people wanted to see him on 120hz at i55.

Shadowburn is one of the best DM soldiers and he plays with a 60hz monitor but there was definitely a reason people wanted to see him on 120hz at i55.
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#5
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don't you technically see twice as much
thats a pretty good advantage

don't you technically see twice as much
thats a pretty good advantage
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#6
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it is huge bonus if you play hitscan classes
anything else not such a big deal

it is huge bonus if you play hitscan classes
anything else not such a big deal
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#7
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yeah I have a 60hz monitor at home

played cs at a friends house on 120hz and

"well fuck"

yeah I have a 60hz monitor at home

played cs at a friends house on 120hz and

"well fuck"
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#8
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It also puts less strain on your eye because the images are more fluid

It also puts less strain on your eye because the images are more fluid
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#9
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i don't think it's that big of a difference
it just made my game look more like a frag movie all the time when i first went from 60hz to 120hz

i don't think it's that big of a difference
it just made my game look more like a frag movie all the time when i first went from 60hz to 120hz
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#10
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The more information your eyes are fed, the less concentration and effort required to perform. Having less doesn't make you inept, nor does having more inherently make you a better player.

I've played on 60hz for the first half of my career, switched to 120hz and played on it until it died. I moved back to 60hz, and honestly 60hz on Vsync did not feel any different to me. I've got another 120hz monitor today courtesy of flame, side by side to my 60hz and the difference to me is minute,

The more information your eyes are fed, the less concentration and effort required to perform. Having less doesn't make you inept, nor does having more inherently make you a better player.

I've played on 60hz for the first half of my career, switched to 120hz and played on it until it died. I moved back to 60hz, and honestly 60hz on Vsync did not feel any different to me. I've got another 120hz monitor today courtesy of flame, side by side to my 60hz and the difference to me is minute,
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#11
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It's a pretty huge difference, but you might not notice it moving from 60hz to 120hz. It'll just feel a bit nicer and smoother.

But if someone tells you to move down from 120hz to 60hz?! You'll notice instantly and it'll make everything feel horrible.

It's a pretty huge difference, but you might not notice it moving from 60hz to 120hz. It'll just feel a bit nicer and smoother.

But if someone tells you to move down from 120hz to 60hz?! You'll notice instantly and it'll make everything feel horrible.
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#12
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paskoCan I still outsnipe the other snipers with the monitor advantage?

Yes you can, and if you lose against stark in a duel, you can still blame the monitor, that's what i usually do ;PPP

[quote=pasko]Can I still outsnipe the other snipers with the monitor advantage?[/quote]

Yes you can, and if you lose against stark in a duel, you can still blame the monitor, that's what i usually do ;PPP
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#13
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nothing restricts you from getting in higher divisions except your aim and your gamesense
refresh rate won't make you a better player than if you just practice the game.

nothing restricts you from getting in higher divisions except your aim and your gamesense
refresh rate won't make you a better player than if you just practice the game.
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#14
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It depends on the person though, I never felt like I could play scout until I was able to track the person clearly. Doesn't mean it's impossible, just means you have to try it.

It depends on the person though, I never felt like I could play scout until I was able to track the person clearly. Doesn't mean it's impossible, just means you have to try it.
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#15
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You can notice the different from going from 60 Hz to 85 or just 75
Will it make you better? Not necceseraly
Will it look better? Definatelly. Trying high refresh makes movement feel more "real" and very smooth to the eye.

You can notice the different from going from 60 Hz to 85 or just 75
Will it make you better? Not necceseraly
Will it look better? Definatelly. Trying high refresh makes movement feel more "real" and very smooth to the eye.
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It's kinda easier to track but nothing major, imo the biggest difference is perceived not when you go from 60hz to 120hz, but when you go BACK from 120hz to 60hz - to me it became unplayable, so keep in mind that once you go 120hz you never go back :P

To answer your sniper question: Powah plays on 75hz

It's kinda easier to track but nothing major, imo the biggest difference is perceived not when you go from 60hz to 120hz, but when you go BACK from 120hz to 60hz - to me it became unplayable, so keep in mind that once you go 120hz you never go back :P

To answer your sniper question: Powah plays on 75hz
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#17
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tfw no stores here sell 144hz monitors and shipping will own my wallet
feels awful man

tfw no stores here sell 144hz monitors and shipping will own my wallet
feels awful man
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#18
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Enough to make you go to the casino

Enough to make you go to the casino
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#19
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idk about sniper but afaik there isn't an invite scout who doesn't have 120hz+.

low fps is a bigger disadvantage but 60hz is a pretty big disadvantage as you move up. I remember ppl giving dummy shit when he played scout for froyo but he was literally the only 60hz scout in invite.

idk about sniper but afaik there isn't an invite scout who doesn't have 120hz+.

low fps is a bigger disadvantage but 60hz is a pretty big disadvantage as you move up. I remember ppl giving dummy shit when he played scout for froyo but he was literally the only 60hz scout in invite.
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#20
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For me it only matters on scout/sniper, every other class you can play just the same. RR also plays on 60hz and he's a god at projectile classes,

For me it only matters on scout/sniper, every other class you can play just the same. RR also plays on 60hz and he's a god at projectile classes,
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#21
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It won't make you good if you are shit but it certainly helps. My old 120hz went out on me and i had to use my backup 60hz for a month while i waited for the money to get a new one. It was so bad it made me sick to play on.

It won't make you good if you are shit but it certainly helps. My old 120hz went out on me and i had to use my backup 60hz for a month while i waited for the money to get a new one. It was so bad it made me sick to play on.
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#22
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scouts r slower in 144 apparently

scouts r slower in 144 apparently
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hektikTo answer your sniper question: Powah plays on 75hzDavidTheWinShadowburn is one of the best DM soldiers and he plays with a 60hz monitoralfaRR also plays on 60hz and he's a god at projectile classes,

Honestly, people have got to STOP saying that. saying that you can only be good on 120hz is just as dumb as saying 120hz is no better than 60hz because there's someone good who plays on 60hz

it might cross your mind that maybe these guys would be even better on 120hz. who knows. these things aren't correlated like you're making it out to be.

i think the general consensus is that if you're bad, it won't make you instantly good, because it won't aim for you(duh), but it helps with tracking and aim overall, so it definitely improves someone's dm, if he already knows how to play. if it improves a lot or a little will depend on the person...

[quote=hektik]
To answer your sniper question: Powah plays on 75hz[/quote]

[quote=DavidTheWin]Shadowburn is one of the best DM soldiers and he plays with a 60hz monitor[/quote]

[quote=alfa]RR also plays on 60hz and he's a god at projectile classes,[/quote]

Honestly, people have got to STOP saying that. saying that you can only be good on 120hz is just as dumb as saying 120hz is no better than 60hz because there's someone good who plays on 60hz

it might cross your mind that maybe these guys would be even better on 120hz. who knows. these things aren't correlated like you're making it out to be.

i think the general consensus is that if you're bad, it won't make you instantly good, because it won't aim for you(duh), but it helps with tracking and aim overall, so it definitely improves someone's dm, if he already knows how to play. if it improves a lot or a little will depend on the person...
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It's a luxury. You could play prem on a 4:3 monitor with 30 fps if you tried hard enough. Fortunately, most of us don't live in extreme poverty and saving up for a 120hz monitor isn't gonna break the budget.

It's the most expensive non-rig related article you can invest in, and I'd choose it over the best mouse/keyboard available any day.

On the whole 'going back from 120hz' deal. Of course getting used to something smoother is gonna make anything inferior a horrible experience, but if you were forced to play 60fps 60hz again, you'd be used to it within a day.

It's a luxury. You could play prem on a 4:3 monitor with 30 fps if you tried hard enough. Fortunately, most of us don't live in extreme poverty and saving up for a 120hz monitor isn't gonna break the budget.

It's the most expensive non-rig related article you can invest in, and I'd choose it over the best mouse/keyboard available any day.

On the whole 'going back from 120hz' deal. Of course getting used to something smoother is gonna make anything inferior a horrible experience, but if you were forced to play 60fps 60hz again, you'd be used to it within a day.
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#25
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PendjiIt's a luxury. You could play prem on a 4:3 monitor with 30 fps if you tried hard enough. Fortunately, most of us don't live in extreme poverty and saving up for a 120hz monitor isn't gonna break the budget.

It's the most expensive non-rig related article you can invest in, and I'd choose it over the best mouse/keyboard available any day.

On the whole 'going back from 120hz' deal. Of course getting used to something smoother is gonna make anything inferior a horrible experience, but if you were forced to play 60fps 60hz again, you'd be used to it within a day.

Nah that's simply not true. People have had to play at lans with that setup and you don't just "get used to it", it's actively worse.

[quote=Pendji]It's a luxury. You could play prem on a 4:3 monitor with 30 fps if you tried hard enough. Fortunately, most of us don't live in extreme poverty and saving up for a 120hz monitor isn't gonna break the budget.

It's the most expensive non-rig related article you can invest in, and I'd choose it over the best mouse/keyboard available any day.

On the whole 'going back from 120hz' deal. Of course getting used to something smoother is gonna make anything inferior a horrible experience, but if you were forced to play 60fps 60hz again, you'd be used to it within a day.[/quote]

Nah that's simply not true. People have had to play at lans with that setup and you don't just "get used to it", it's actively worse.
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#26
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Quertit might cross your mind that maybe these guys would be even better on 120hz. who knows. these things aren't correlated like you're making it out to be.

Did you read the rest of my post?

[quote=Quert]it might cross your mind that maybe these guys would be even better on 120hz. who knows. these things aren't correlated like you're making it out to be.[/quote]

Did you read the rest of my post?
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SideshowPendjiIt's a luxury. You could play prem on a 4:3 monitor with 30 fps if you tried hard enough. Fortunately, most of us don't live in extreme poverty and saving up for a 120hz monitor isn't gonna break the budget.

It's the most expensive non-rig related article you can invest in, and I'd choose it over the best mouse/keyboard available any day.

On the whole 'going back from 120hz' deal. Of course getting used to something smoother is gonna make anything inferior a horrible experience, but if you were forced to play 60fps 60hz again, you'd be used to it within a day.

Nah that's simply not true. People have had to play at lans with that setup and you don't just "get used to it", it's actively worse.

Yep my tf2 had a seizure for a few hours and I had to borrow someone elses computer at GXL and I was literally dying at 60hz

[quote=Sideshow][quote=Pendji]It's a luxury. You could play prem on a 4:3 monitor with 30 fps if you tried hard enough. Fortunately, most of us don't live in extreme poverty and saving up for a 120hz monitor isn't gonna break the budget.

It's the most expensive non-rig related article you can invest in, and I'd choose it over the best mouse/keyboard available any day.

On the whole 'going back from 120hz' deal. Of course getting used to something smoother is gonna make anything inferior a horrible experience, but if you were forced to play 60fps 60hz again, you'd be used to it within a day.[/quote]

Nah that's simply not true. People have had to play at lans with that setup and you don't just "get used to it", it's actively worse.[/quote]

Yep my tf2 had a seizure for a few hours and I had to borrow someone elses computer at GXL and I was literally dying at 60hz
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#28
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At least you didn't play on Crasian's 30hz trainwreck

At least you didn't play on Crasian's 30hz trainwreck
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#23 Given that he/some of them played at LAN on 144hz and played the same, no it doesnt matter because you are already used to a certain refresh rate. I haven't seen yet someone go to LAN and suddenly become amazing at the game because they went on a higher refresh rate instantly. The only people who think refresh rate is correlated to skill level are usually the same people who make "whats clockworks dpi/360" threads, when it actually doesn't matter what setup you have as long as its decent to play the game on.

#23 Given that he/some of them played at LAN on 144hz and played the same, no it doesnt matter because you are already used to a certain refresh rate. I haven't seen yet someone go to LAN and suddenly become amazing at the game because they went on a higher refresh rate instantly. The only people who think refresh rate is correlated to skill level are usually the same people who make "whats clockworks dpi/360" threads, when it actually doesn't matter what setup you have as long as its decent to play the game on.
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#30
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You don't necessarily 'see' the extra Hz actively, you just get this 'wow everything is so smooth' feeling.
Having said that, More Hz mainly works for classes that look around themselves fast; the additional Hz reduces blurring so lets say you quickly swipe from checking left to right a scout pops up at the left edge of your vision, the image is still clear enough for you actually see this scout whereas 60Hz might be too blurry.

I've mainly started noticing this in when playing CSGO with friends, sometimes when they looked around I could see the enemy clearly where they claimed there was nothing.

TL;DR: Feels smoother, actual improvement most likely negligible and/or a placebo type effect.

You don't necessarily 'see' the extra Hz actively, you just get this 'wow everything is so smooth' feeling.
Having said that, More Hz mainly works for classes that look around themselves fast; the additional Hz reduces blurring so lets say you quickly swipe from checking left to right a scout pops up at the left edge of your vision, the image is still clear enough for you actually see this scout whereas 60Hz might be too blurry.

I've mainly started noticing this in when playing CSGO with friends, sometimes when they looked around I could see the enemy clearly where they claimed there was nothing.

TL;DR: Feels smoother, actual improvement most likely negligible and/or a placebo type effect.
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