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I need help with scout v soldier
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#1
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Basically what the title says, I am so trash with soldier v scout and I'm useless. One of the reasons why this probably happened was because all I do is mge scout v scout =(. What I notice is when I try to fight a soldier, i just get two shot by his rockets or they just shotgun me down and there's nothing I can do cause my strafing/positioning is trash.

Basically what the title says, I am so trash with soldier v scout and I'm useless. One of the reasons why this probably happened was because all I do is mge scout v scout =(. What I notice is when I try to fight a soldier, i just get two shot by his rockets or they just shotgun me down and there's nothing I can do cause my strafing/positioning is trash.
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#2
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also, any ways to improve movement/strafes? Thanks

also, any ways to improve movement/strafes? Thanks
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#3
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Use map props/positioning to your advantage. Don't take the fights if they're buffed. Move unpredictably. You could keep your distance to avoid damage. And of course, hit your shots. :)

Use map props/positioning to your advantage. Don't take the fights if they're buffed. Move unpredictably. You could keep your distance to avoid damage. And of course, hit your shots. :)
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#4
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how do i move "unpredictably"?

how do i move "unpredictably"?
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#5
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practice

practice
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#6
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saampractice

how do i practice? just mge scout v soldier or something?

[quote=saam]practice[/quote]
how do i practice? just mge scout v soldier or something?
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#7
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that and dm and pugs basically

that and dm and pugs basically
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#8
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MGE scout v soldier isn't that realistic and its pretty hard in that kind of setting. A soldier just needs to hit 2 average 70-80 damage splash rockets to kill a scout. While the scout needs to land 3x 80 damage meat shots, or multiple lower damage shots all without dying.

In a normal match you want to play heals, play height advantage where its difficult for the soldier to splash you, and also play health packs. Position yourself so you can get a kit or escape the soldier if you think you are losing in the middle of a fight.

Practicing 1v1 Scout v Soldier in an isolated environment isn't exactly realistic. So don't feel bad if you get rolled.

I'd consider myself about the same on scout and soldier. I've 20-0'ed scouts as a soldier on MGE before only to have a reasonably close scout v scout game.

MGE scout v soldier isn't that realistic and its pretty hard in that kind of setting. A soldier just needs to hit 2 average 70-80 damage splash rockets to kill a scout. While the scout needs to land 3x 80 damage meat shots, or multiple lower damage shots all without dying.

In a normal match you want to play heals, play height advantage where its difficult for the soldier to splash you, and also play health packs. Position yourself so you can get a kit or escape the soldier if you think you are losing in the middle of a fight.

Practicing 1v1 Scout v Soldier in an isolated environment isn't exactly realistic. So don't feel bad if you get rolled.

I'd consider myself about the same on scout and soldier. I've 20-0'ed scouts as a soldier on MGE before only to have a reasonably close scout v scout game.
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#9
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ammomod until ur eyes bleed

ammomod until ur eyes bleed
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#10
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HOW TO GET BETTER AT SCOUT:
http://teamfortress.tv/servers/?region=in[1]
soap dm and mge are your friends. also quake and osu, also pugs.

HOW TO KILL WITH SHITTY SCOUT DM:
-go in ONLY when your team / flank goes in
-2v1
-camp health kits
-sit on high ground
-don't fall off high ground for no reason
-have 185 all the time, seriously
-2v1
-backcap
-focus fire (call it, listen for it)
-2v1
-don't not 2v1
-reload scatters rather than using multiple pistol clips because the pistol is far, far harder to aim
-don't panic - you don't have to fire shots as fast as you can, spend just a little time to line them up, also remember reloading multiple shots at a time is more efficient

SCOUT V SOLDIER:
-2v1
-have high ground
-have 185
-abuse props
-jump over their head
-abuse health kits
-don't stand in closed spaces or chokes, or near walls
-stay at mid range so you can dodge
-stand on slopes that slope down behind you
-play engie/pyro/heavy
-if you play hl run atomizer, shits op
-if you can't win, leave
-count rockets - if he shoots all 4 you can rush him
-you can mash single jump but conserve your double jump to avoid rockets, soldiers like to wait for scouts to double jump because they then know where you'll fall
-surfing rockets gives you free height which means more time to kill

HOW TO GET BETTER AT SCOUT:
http://teamfortress.tv/servers/?region=in[1]
soap dm and mge are your friends. also quake and osu, also pugs.

HOW TO KILL WITH SHITTY SCOUT DM:
-go in ONLY when your team / flank goes in
-2v1
-camp health kits
-sit on high ground
-don't fall off high ground for no reason
-have 185 all the time, seriously
-2v1
-backcap
-focus fire (call it, listen for it)
-2v1
-don't not 2v1
-reload scatters rather than using multiple pistol clips because the pistol is far, far harder to aim
-don't panic - you don't have to fire shots as fast as you can, spend just a little time to line them up, also remember reloading multiple shots at a time is more efficient

SCOUT V SOLDIER:
-2v1
-have high ground
-have 185
-abuse props
-jump over their head
-abuse health kits
-don't stand in closed spaces or chokes, or near walls
-stay at mid range so you can dodge
-stand on slopes that slope down behind you
-play engie/pyro/heavy
-if you play hl run atomizer, shits op
-if you can't win, leave
-count rockets - if he shoots all 4 you can rush him
-you can mash single jump but conserve your double jump to avoid rockets, soldiers like to wait for scouts to double jump because they then know where you'll fall
-surfing rockets gives you free height which means more time to kill
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#11
21 Frags +

or u can work on ur dm and not be a baiter for the rest of ur life

or u can work on ur dm and not be a baiter for the rest of ur life
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#12
6 Frags +
4812622-if you can't win, leave

http://i.imgur.com/Dj0llMm.jpg

thats pretty fucking retarded though I hope that was a joke

[quote=4812622]-if you can't win, leave[/quote]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/Dj0llMm.jpg[/img]
thats pretty fucking retarded though I hope that was a joke
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#13
2 Frags +

1. look at where the rocket is going and start moving out of the way. even if it hits you you'll still take less damage.
2. learn how to airstrafe and get comfortable doing it while DMing.
3. dont make it too obvious that youre about to jump onto a prop. a lot of better soldiers will use it as a chance to land a nice girthy direct on you. try airstrafing onto it or tricking soldiers into thinking youre gonna jump onto it but then not.
4. pay attention to what weapon he's using and change your movement accordingly.
5. if he has his shotgun out, he has way more health than you, and you have to take the fight, try to fight him from as close as possible..close range shotgun fights are much more random than the ones from medium or long range.
6. play soldier against good scouts and see what they do.

1. look at where the rocket is going and start moving out of the way. even if it hits you you'll still take less damage.
2. learn how to airstrafe and get comfortable doing it while DMing.
3. dont make it too obvious that youre about to jump onto a prop. a lot of better soldiers will use it as a chance to land a nice girthy direct on you. try airstrafing onto it or tricking soldiers into thinking youre gonna jump onto it but then not.
4. pay attention to what weapon he's using and change your movement accordingly.
5. if he has his shotgun out, he has way more health than you, and you have to take the fight, try to fight him from as close as possible..close range shotgun fights are much more random than the ones from medium or long range.
6. play soldier against good scouts and see what they do.
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#14
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capnfapn6. play soldier against good scouts and see what they do.

Just wanted to emphasize this right here. Be the guy that pisses you off when you're in their shoes. (that sentence is a bit confusing i know)

[quote=capnfapn]6. play soldier against good scouts and see what they do.[/quote]
Just wanted to emphasize this right here. Be the guy that pisses you off when you're in their shoes. (that sentence is a bit confusing i know)
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#15
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airstrafe if you're not shooting in that moment

airstrafes, especially w strafes, are weird and hard to judge so it can either make rockets whiff or do less damage

airstrafe if you're not shooting in that moment

airstrafes, especially w strafes, are weird and hard to judge so it can either make rockets whiff or do less damage
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#16
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  • A Scout with an overheal is more likely to win a Soldier duel.
  • Vary the distance between you and the Soldier based on when you are firing or reloading.
  • Use the map's props to gain a positional height advantage or to prepare for incoming rocket jumps.
  • Alter when you flank a team and when you decide to be aggressive with an uber or duel. Learning when will come with experience in 6v6 or Highlander.
  • Don't forget to practice airstrafing, surfing projectiles and general WASD dodging against opponents in all gamemodes.
[list]
[*] A Scout with an overheal is more likely to win a Soldier duel.
[*] Vary the distance between you and the Soldier based on when you are firing or reloading.
[*] Use the map's props to gain a positional height advantage or to prepare for incoming rocket jumps.
[*] Alter [b]when[/b] you flank a team and when you decide to be aggressive with an uber or duel. Learning when will come with experience in 6v6 or Highlander.
[*] Don't forget to practice airstrafing, surfing projectiles and general WASD dodging against opponents in all gamemodes.
[/list]
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#17
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Scout v solly mge is all about patience. Dont just try to walk in like a f2p and get 2 shot.

Keep your distance. No need to glue yourself to their ass 24/7. It's a lot harder to land a mid range rocket on a strafing target than it is to land a direct at close range.

Strafing back and forth is a good way to bait out rockets and make them miss/do less dmg.

Scout v solly mge is all about patience. Dont just try to walk in like a f2p and get 2 shot.


Keep your distance. No need to glue yourself to their ass 24/7. It's a lot harder to land a mid range rocket on a strafing target than it is to land a direct at close range.

Strafing back and forth is a good way to bait out rockets and make them miss/do less dmg.
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#18
7 Frags +
riot1244812622-if you can't win, leave
thats pretty fucking retarded though I hope that was a joke

??

one of the best things about scout is running away, it's very hard to chase scouts because they're fast, especially without hitscan and at soldier walk speed. if they're far enough you can just dodge the rockets

backing out to a health kit or finding your medic instead of committing to a shitty fight or disadvantageous position is common sense

[quote=riot124][quote=4812622]-if you can't win, leave[/quote]

thats pretty fucking retarded though I hope that was a joke[/quote]

??

one of the best things about scout is running away, it's very hard to chase scouts because they're fast, especially without hitscan and at soldier walk speed. if they're far enough you can just dodge the rockets

backing out to a health kit or finding your medic instead of committing to a shitty fight or disadvantageous position is common sense
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#19
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ruwin did a lot of talking during his MGE streams when he was scout v soldier (badlands middle namely), and he found that the sweet spot was soldier being on the train and you being in front of the train, and juking excellently left and right so that the soldier always overshot his rockets when you doubled-back, and you focused on your meatshots. Play a little more badlands and try and find those sweet spots that manipulate your opponent's aim based on your movement.

ruwin did a lot of talking during his MGE streams when he was scout v soldier (badlands middle namely), and he found that the sweet spot was soldier being on the train and you being in front of the train, and juking excellently left and right so that the soldier always overshot his rockets when you doubled-back, and you focused on your meatshots. Play a little more badlands and try and find those sweet spots that manipulate your opponent's aim based on your movement.
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#20
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4812622riot1244812622-if you can't win, leave
thats pretty fucking retarded though I hope that was a joke

??

one of the best things about scout is running away, it's very hard to chase scouts because they're fast, especially without hitscan and at soldier walk speed. if they're far enough you can just dodge the rockets

backing out to a health kit or finding your medic instead of committing to a shitty fight or disadvantageous position is common sense

probably phrase it better then lol, thought you meant in MGE

[quote=4812622][quote=riot124][quote=4812622]-if you can't win, leave[/quote]

thats pretty fucking retarded though I hope that was a joke[/quote]

??

one of the best things about scout is running away, it's very hard to chase scouts because they're fast, especially without hitscan and at soldier walk speed. if they're far enough you can just dodge the rockets

backing out to a health kit or finding your medic instead of committing to a shitty fight or disadvantageous position is common sense[/quote]
probably phrase it better then lol, thought you meant in MGE
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#21
7 Frags +

Run into the soldiers face, meatshot him, he will kill himself by shooting you. Easiest way to kill a soldier :D

Run into the soldiers face, meatshot him, he will kill himself by shooting you. Easiest way to kill a soldier :D
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#22
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Constantly airstrafe when you're jumping, mix up the strafe directions and how many degrees you turn/when you switch strafe directions.
Change the distance between you and the soldier a lot, stay at midrange and jump away to avoid rockets or into his face after he's just shot one to meatshot him whilst you're still in the air.
Try and always play on height advantage and dont fight soldiers in enclosed spaces (e.g. Process PC/IT room)
Delay your second jump/dont use your second jump so he doesn't just shoot where you're going to land after it.
Don't jump at all sometimes to mix it up.
If you're hit by a rocket surf it either into him if hes low or away if he's not
Don't do that thing where you stop moving when you shoot, it's really predictable.
If he 's using shotgun for some reason, w into him whilst a-ding and circle strafe around him whilst tapping w so that your hitbox jitters inside his model.

Constantly airstrafe when you're jumping, mix up the strafe directions and how many degrees you turn/when you switch strafe directions.
Change the distance between you and the soldier a lot, stay at midrange and jump away to avoid rockets or into his face after he's just shot one to meatshot him whilst you're still in the air.
Try and always play on height advantage and dont fight soldiers in enclosed spaces (e.g. Process PC/IT room)
Delay your second jump/dont use your second jump so he doesn't just shoot where you're going to land after it.
Don't jump at all sometimes to mix it up.
If you're hit by a rocket surf it either into him if hes low or away if he's not
Don't do that thing where you stop moving when you shoot, it's really predictable.
If he 's using shotgun for some reason, w into him whilst a-ding and circle strafe around him whilst tapping w so that your hitbox jitters inside his model.
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#23
-3 Frags +

Stop acting like an r/truetf2 user and play the game instead of looking for "tips to get better"

Stop acting like an r/truetf2 user and play the game instead of looking for "tips to get better"
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#24
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If you're not a DM god, abuse gamesense and teamwork. You're not meant to run up the ass of a team and gib their soldiers in a heartbeat. Its the equivalent of a double airshot. One thing I've noticed about scout players is the fact they focus less on aim the higher div they are (unless they're people who're known for their aim and obsess about it to the point of never being moderately satisfied).

MGE teaches you nothing since theres nothing else to focus on but the other player. Even a 10 player FFA badlands mid would teach you more.

If you're not a DM god, abuse gamesense and teamwork. You're not meant to run up the ass of a team and gib their soldiers in a heartbeat. Its the equivalent of a double airshot. One thing I've noticed about scout players is the fact they focus less on aim the higher div they are (unless they're people who're known for their aim and obsess about it to the point of never being moderately satisfied).

MGE teaches you nothing since theres nothing else to focus on but the other player. Even a 10 player FFA badlands mid would teach you more.
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#25
-2 Frags +

Null movement script could help slightly

Null movement script could help slightly
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#26
6 Frags +

1. Put this on auto-repeat.

2. Mentally substitute all instances of "Jukebox Hero" with "Deathmatch Hero"

3. Play nothing but SOAP DM ever.

4. ???

5. Still be in open. :|

1. Put this on [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr6KVNt-1Ek]auto-repeat.[/url]

2. Mentally substitute all instances of "Jukebox Hero" with "Deathmatch Hero"

3. Play nothing but SOAP DM ever.

4. ???

5. Still be in open. :|
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#27
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Alkaline1. Put this on auto-repeat.

2. Mentally substitute all instances of "Jukebox Hero" with "Deathmatch Hero"

3. Play nothing but SOAP DM ever.

4. ???

5. Still be in open. :|

Alks never won a scout vs soldier fight as either class LAMO

[quote=Alkaline]1. Put this on [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr6KVNt-1Ek]auto-repeat.[/url]

2. Mentally substitute all instances of "Jukebox Hero" with "Deathmatch Hero"

3. Play nothing but SOAP DM ever.

4. ???

5. Still be in open. :|[/quote]
Alks never won a scout vs soldier fight as either class LAMO
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#28
-5 Frags +

add me i'll mentor u

add me i'll mentor u
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#29
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practice your movement. movement will give you much greater options than just 1 dimensionally facing a solly by running into him and hoping to hit all your shots.

practice your movement. movement will give you much greater options than just 1 dimensionally facing a solly by running into him and hoping to hit all your shots.
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