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The Tough Break Update
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#301
11 Frags +

Has anybody figured out why they changed the uber build rate in setup time? Doesn't every map have 60 seconds which is more than enough time to get an uber anyway? Not getting the point or what they were trying to do, unless they're gonna reduce setup time to 30 sec.

Has anybody figured out why they changed the uber build rate in setup time? Doesn't every map have 60 seconds which is more than enough time to get an uber anyway? Not getting the point or what they were trying to do, unless they're gonna reduce setup time to 30 sec.
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#302
3 Frags +
SideshowHas anybody figured out why they changed the uber build rate in setup time? Doesn't every map have 60 seconds which is more than enough time to get an uber anyway? Not getting the point or what they were trying to do, unless they're gonna reduce setup time to 30 sec.

I think it's unlikely that they will reduce it to 30 seconds. Engies in highlander need around 45-60 seconds to fully build their gear.

[quote=Sideshow]Has anybody figured out why they changed the uber build rate in setup time? Doesn't every map have 60 seconds which is more than enough time to get an uber anyway? Not getting the point or what they were trying to do, unless they're gonna reduce setup time to 30 sec.[/quote]
I think it's unlikely that they will reduce it to 30 seconds. Engies in highlander need around 45-60 seconds to fully build their gear.
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#303
18 Frags +
SideshowHas anybody figured out why they changed the uber build rate in setup time? Doesn't every map have 60 seconds which is more than enough time to get an uber anyway? Not getting the point or what they were trying to do, unless they're gonna reduce setup time to 30 sec.

Probably to increase the draw of medic in pubs. I know sometimes I've considered playing med in pubs, then realizing there's only 20 seconds left and deciding against it because I wouldn't have uber by the time the round started.

[quote=Sideshow]Has anybody figured out why they changed the uber build rate in setup time? Doesn't every map have 60 seconds which is more than enough time to get an uber anyway? Not getting the point or what they were trying to do, unless they're gonna reduce setup time to 30 sec.[/quote]

Probably to increase the draw of medic in pubs. I know sometimes I've considered playing med in pubs, then realizing there's only 20 seconds left and deciding against it because I wouldn't have uber by the time the round started.
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#304
3 Frags +
SideshowHas anybody figured out why they changed the uber build rate in setup time? Doesn't every map have 60 seconds which is more than enough time to get an uber anyway? Not getting the point or what they were trying to do, unless they're gonna reduce setup time to 30 sec.

This allows you the time to get up, grab a drink and still have enough time to build uber in <20 seconds during setup time. They've done it that way with MVM.

Oh my.... one thing I just thought of. Wouldn't this allow a kritz med to build kritz and then use kritz demo(s) to lay trap stickies which is what we do in MVM? Then the med would have enough time for 2 Kritzes before the round starts. That might actually be pretty bad...

[quote=Sideshow]Has anybody figured out why they changed the uber build rate in setup time? Doesn't every map have 60 seconds which is more than enough time to get an uber anyway? Not getting the point or what they were trying to do, unless they're gonna reduce setup time to 30 sec.[/quote]

This allows you the time to get up, grab a drink and still have enough time to build uber in <20 seconds during setup time. They've done it that way with MVM.

Oh my.... one thing I just thought of. Wouldn't this allow a kritz med to build kritz and then use kritz demo(s) to lay trap stickies which is what we do in MVM? Then the med would have enough time for 2 Kritzes before the round starts. That might actually be pretty bad...
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#305
5 Frags +
dollarlayerSideshowHas anybody figured out why they changed the uber build rate in setup time? Doesn't every map have 60 seconds which is more than enough time to get an uber anyway? Not getting the point or what they were trying to do, unless they're gonna reduce setup time to 30 sec.
This allows you the time to get up, grab a drink and still have enough time to build uber in <20 seconds during setup time. They've done it that way with MVM.

Oh my.... one thing I just thought of. Wouldn't this allow a kritz med to build kritz and then use kritz demo(s) to lay trap stickies which is what we do in MVM? Then the med would have enough time for 2 Kritzes before the round starts. That might actually be pretty bad...

I saw on a highlander stream, on upward, the medic using kritz with the demo to make traps on the doors, then suiciding for metal and changing to uber (he had enough time to build uber before the game started), I think that's pretty awesome

[quote=dollarlayer][quote=Sideshow]Has anybody figured out why they changed the uber build rate in setup time? Doesn't every map have 60 seconds which is more than enough time to get an uber anyway? Not getting the point or what they were trying to do, unless they're gonna reduce setup time to 30 sec.[/quote]

This allows you the time to get up, grab a drink and still have enough time to build uber in <20 seconds during setup time. They've done it that way with MVM.

Oh my.... one thing I just thought of. Wouldn't this allow a kritz med to build kritz and then use kritz demo(s) to lay trap stickies which is what we do in MVM? Then the med would have enough time for 2 Kritzes before the round starts. That might actually be pretty bad...[/quote]

I saw on a highlander stream, on upward, the medic using kritz with the demo to make traps on the doors, then suiciding for metal and changing to uber (he had enough time to build uber before the game started), I think that's pretty awesome
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#306
12 Frags +

http://i.imgur.com/bGi1DNp.jpg

looks like you can inspect every weapon that has an inspect animation even without a skin

the original looks fucked

edit: nevermind I can't do it anymore

[img]http://i.imgur.com/bGi1DNp.jpg[/img]
looks like you can inspect every weapon that has an inspect animation even without a skin

the original looks fucked

edit: nevermind I can't do it anymore
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#307
27 Frags +
ValveAll
- Base weapon switch speed changed from 0.67 seconds to 0.5 seconds
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Medic
- Medics now have slightly higher health regeneration when healing a hurt patient
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Crusader's Crossbow
- Healing a player with an arrow now grants a small amount of ÜberCharge
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Demoman / Demoknight
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Loose Cannon
- Reduced projectile speed (now a visible attribute)
- Reduced cannon impact damage from 60 to 50. Damage also scales with distance.
- Reduced knockback from cannon hit. Knockback strength is now similar to airblast.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/006/077/so_good.png

[quote=Valve][b][u]All[/u][/b]
- Base weapon switch speed changed from 0.67 seconds to 0.5 seconds
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[b][u]Medic[/u][/b]
- Medics now have slightly higher health regeneration when healing a hurt patient
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[b]Crusader's Crossbow[/b]
- Healing a player with an arrow now grants a small amount of ÜberCharge
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[b][u]Demoman / Demoknight[/u][/b]
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[b]Loose Cannon
- Reduced projectile speed (now a visible attribute)
- Reduced cannon impact damage from 60 to 50. Damage also scales with distance.
- Reduced knockback from cannon hit. Knockback strength is now similar to airblast.
[/b]
[/quote]

[img]http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/006/077/so_good.png[/img]
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#308
1 Frags +

Anyone have a fix for outdated huds not being able to use contracts? This stopped working: https://steamcommunity.com/app/440/discussions/0/496879865898461725/

Anyone have a fix for outdated huds not being able to use contracts? This stopped working: https://steamcommunity.com/app/440/discussions/0/496879865898461725/
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#309
1 Frags +

im pretty sure theres new voice lines

im pretty sure theres new voice lines
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#310
RGB LAN
13 Frags +

Not sure if this was discussed already about the crossbow:

"1% ubercharge for every 15hp healed up to 10%"

The crossbow can fire every 1.76 seconds. So, assuming it's just a case of simple math and there's something I'm not missing here, an uber can be built as quickly as about 15 seconds in the best case scenario?

Not sure if this was discussed already about the crossbow:

"1% ubercharge for every 15hp healed up to 10%"

The crossbow can fire every 1.76 seconds. So, assuming it's just a case of simple math and there's something I'm not missing here, an uber can be built as quickly as about 15 seconds in the best case scenario?
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#311
5 Frags +

Would be great if right click didn't activate the ubersaw taunt.

Would be great if right click didn't activate the ubersaw taunt.
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#312
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#313
-1 Frags +

wewlad this update is great

wewlad this update is great
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#314
2 Frags +
TheFragileNot sure if this was discussed already about the crossbow:

"1% ubercharge for every 15hp healed up to 10%"

The crossbow can fire every 1.76 seconds. So, assuming it's just a case of simple math and there's something I'm not missing here, an uber can be built as quickly as about 15 seconds in the best case scenario?

well, 17.6 seconds if you manage to do it in 10 arrows all at max healing, or marginally faster if you reload the arrow while you heal someone else and switch back every 1.7 seconds. this is pretty totally unrealistic though, because a class has to be doing 150+ damage to itself every 2 seconds at max range from a medic. i'd imagine you cant do it with any class alone. scout obviously you can only heal like 100 safely, for soldier and demo their reload speed would likely prevent them from being able to do 150 damage to themselves at such a consistent rate. so to optimize your uber build you'd have to have 2 classes full time hurting themselves at max range while a third stands near med to heal during crossbow reloads

[quote=TheFragile]Not sure if this was discussed already about the crossbow:

"1% ubercharge for every 15hp healed up to 10%"

The crossbow can fire every 1.76 seconds. So, assuming it's just a case of simple math and there's something I'm not missing here, an uber can be built as quickly as about 15 seconds in the best case scenario?[/quote]

well, 17.6 seconds if you manage to do it in 10 arrows all at max healing, or marginally faster if you reload the arrow while you heal someone else and switch back every 1.7 seconds. this is pretty totally unrealistic though, because a class has to be doing 150+ damage to itself every 2 seconds at max range from a medic. i'd imagine you cant do it with any class alone. scout obviously you can only heal like 100 safely, for soldier and demo their reload speed would likely prevent them from being able to do 150 damage to themselves at such a consistent rate. so to optimize your uber build you'd have to have 2 classes full time hurting themselves at max range while a third stands near med to heal during crossbow reloads
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#315
RGB LAN
2 Frags +
niteTheFragileNot sure if this was discussed already about the crossbow:

"1% ubercharge for every 15hp healed up to 10%"

The crossbow can fire every 1.76 seconds. So, assuming it's just a case of simple math and there's something I'm not missing here, an uber can be built as quickly as about 15 seconds in the best case scenario?

well, 17.6 seconds if you manage to do it in 10 arrows all at max healing, or marginally faster if you reload the arrow while you heal someone else and switch back every 1.7 seconds. this is pretty totally unrealistic though, because a class has to be doing 150+ damage to itself every 2 seconds at max range from a medic. i'd imagine you cant do it with any class alone. scout obviously you can only heal like 100 safely, for soldier and demo their reload speed would likely prevent them from being able to do 150 damage to themselves at such a consistent rate. so to optimize your uber build you'd have to have 2 classes full time hurting themselves at max range while a third stands near med to heal during crossbow reloads

It should be 15.8, because you shoot 10 times but you reload 9 times, right? I still might be messing up a bit of math here, but regardless, it's roughly 15-18 seconds.

But yeah, getting someone to constantly deal 150 damage to themselves in 1.7 seconds probably won't happen unless there's some pretty weird scenario happening (like someone constantly hitting resupply). I don't expect any kind of incredible new meta to come from this, but I still find it interesting that uber can now be built that fast.

[quote=nite][quote=TheFragile]Not sure if this was discussed already about the crossbow:

"1% ubercharge for every 15hp healed up to 10%"

The crossbow can fire every 1.76 seconds. So, assuming it's just a case of simple math and there's something I'm not missing here, an uber can be built as quickly as about 15 seconds in the best case scenario?[/quote]

well, 17.6 seconds if you manage to do it in 10 arrows all at max healing, or marginally faster if you reload the arrow while you heal someone else and switch back every 1.7 seconds. this is pretty totally unrealistic though, because a class has to be doing 150+ damage to itself every 2 seconds at max range from a medic. i'd imagine you cant do it with any class alone. scout obviously you can only heal like 100 safely, for soldier and demo their reload speed would likely prevent them from being able to do 150 damage to themselves at such a consistent rate. so to optimize your uber build you'd have to have 2 classes full time hurting themselves at max range while a third stands near med to heal during crossbow reloads[/quote]

It should be 15.8, because you shoot 10 times but you reload 9 times, right? I still might be messing up a bit of math here, but regardless, it's roughly 15-18 seconds.

But yeah, getting someone to constantly deal 150 damage to themselves in 1.7 seconds probably won't happen unless there's some pretty weird scenario happening (like someone constantly hitting resupply). I don't expect any kind of incredible new meta to come from this, but I still find it interesting that uber can now be built that fast.
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#316
1 Frags +
TheFragileIt should be 15.8, because you shoot 10 times but you reload 9 times, right? I still might be messing up a bit of math here, but regardless, it's roughly 15-18 seconds.

But yeah, getting someone to constantly deal 150 damage to themselves in 1.7 seconds won't happen unless there's some pretty weird scenario happening (like someone constantly hitting resupply).

oh yeah i didnt consider that you only have to reload 9 times, but also your last arrow will have travel time of like 1/2 a second if you want to get into the real nitty gritty of the timing. its definitely a worthwhile exercise to see how fast you could perfectly build with 2 soldiers running shotty and a demo all at range, and w/ a boston bashing scout to heal next to you, i bet you could get it under 14 seconds if you switch on and off of medigun perfectly

[quote=TheFragile]
It should be 15.8, because you shoot 10 times but you reload 9 times, right? I still might be messing up a bit of math here, but regardless, it's roughly 15-18 seconds.

But yeah, getting someone to constantly deal 150 damage to themselves in 1.7 seconds won't happen unless there's some pretty weird scenario happening (like someone constantly hitting resupply).[/quote]

oh yeah i didnt consider that you only have to reload 9 times, but also your last arrow will have travel time of like 1/2 a second if you want to get into the real nitty gritty of the timing. its definitely a worthwhile exercise to see how fast you could perfectly build with 2 soldiers running shotty and a demo all at range, and w/ a boston bashing scout to heal next to you, i bet you could get it under 14 seconds if you switch on and off of medigun perfectly
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#317
15 Frags +
TheFragileBut yeah, getting someone to constantly deal 150 damage to themselves in 1.7 seconds probably won't happen unless there's some pretty weird scenario happening

Half-Zatoichi?

[quote=TheFragile]
But yeah, getting someone to constantly deal 150 damage to themselves in 1.7 seconds probably won't happen unless there's some pretty weird scenario happening[/quote]

Half-Zatoichi?
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#318
4 Frags +

My Fps are gone way down, from 125 to like 60 frames/sec on dx8

My Fps are gone way down, from 125 to like 60 frames/sec on dx8
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#319
6 Frags +

I literally get a solid 9 fps now with an occasional 60 fps boost. What the fuck happened?

I literally get a solid 9 fps now with an occasional 60 fps boost. What the fuck happened?
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#320
0 Frags +

Doesn't escape plan + crossbow work? Or will it just heal 1% ?

Doesn't escape plan + crossbow work? Or will it just heal 1% ?
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#321
0 Frags +

did the update break sourcemod?

did the update break sourcemod?
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#322
13 Frags +

http://i.imgur.com/ngsvuC5.png

ERIC I NEED ANSWERS, WHY???

This is literally the most solid fps I've ever gotten and its fucking 9. You'd think my frame limit was set to 9 if it wasn't for the occasional 60 fps spikes. I don't know what the fuck to do I have a scrim tomorrow.

http://i.imgur.com/ngsvuC5.png

ERIC I NEED ANSWERS, WHY???

This is literally the most solid fps I've ever gotten and its fucking 9. You'd think my frame limit was set to 9 if it wasn't for the occasional 60 fps spikes. I don't know what the fuck to do I have a scrim tomorrow.
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#323
5 Frags +

tough fucking break for gasshole with this update

tough fucking break for gasshole with this update
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#324
3 Frags +
Gasolhttp://i.imgur.com/ngsvuC5.png

ERIC I NEED ANSWERS, WHY???

This is literally the most solid fps I've ever gotten and its fucking 9. You'd think my frame limit was set to 9 if it wasn't for the occasional 60 fps spikes. I don't know what the fuck to do I have a scrim tomorrow.

try the new -default launch option and see if u have better fps (backup your configs beforehand (just in case))

[quote=Gasol]http://i.imgur.com/ngsvuC5.png

ERIC I NEED ANSWERS, WHY???

This is literally the most solid fps I've ever gotten and its fucking 9. You'd think my frame limit was set to 9 if it wasn't for the occasional 60 fps spikes. I don't know what the fuck to do I have a scrim tomorrow.[/quote]
try the new -default launch option and see if u have better fps (backup your configs beforehand (just in case))
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#325
9 Frags +

if you are in steam client beta opt out

if you are in steam client beta opt out
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#326
104 Frags +
Valve- Updated various weapon descriptions to better detail their functionality

http://i.imgur.com/V9R57vQ.png

????????

[quote=Valve]- Updated various weapon descriptions to better detail their functionality[/quote]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/V9R57vQ.png[/img]
????????
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#327
-6 Frags +

Medic
- Medics now have slightly higher health regeneration when healing a hurt patient

Are you kidding me? I'LL NEVVVVVVVVER GET MY OVERHEAL ON A PUB NOW! Holy heck valve, pubbers don't know what the hell crit heals are and it's YOUR FAULT. Make it visible. I want a fucking dumb ass arrow over myself on their screen saying HEAL THIS NIGGER FOR A CRIT HEAL BUFF.

Medic
- Medics now have slightly higher health regeneration when healing a hurt patient

Are you kidding me? I'LL NEVVVVVVVVER GET MY OVERHEAL ON A PUB NOW! Holy heck valve, pubbers don't know what the hell crit heals are and it's YOUR FAULT. Make it visible. I want a fucking dumb ass arrow over myself on their screen saying HEAL THIS NIGGER FOR A CRIT HEAL BUFF.
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#328
1 Frags +

mfw someone is helping me troubleshoot and they ask me how many frames im getting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MLry6Cn_D4

mfw someone is helping me troubleshoot and they ask me how many frames im getting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MLry6Cn_D4
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#329
0 Frags +

Using the default HUD currently. Digging the new scoreboard.

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/391049715149969968/7C93266B1FDA10FA5F5FBC4F93C2A56E8BADD02A/

Using the default HUD currently. Digging the new scoreboard.

[url=http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/391049715149969968/7C93266B1FDA10FA5F5FBC4F93C2A56E8BADD02A/]http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/391049715149969968/7C93266B1FDA10FA5F5FBC4F93C2A56E8BADD02A/[/url]
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#330
1 Frags +
fr3fouGasolhttp://i.imgur.com/ngsvuC5.png

ERIC I NEED ANSWERS, WHY???

This is literally the most solid fps I've ever gotten and its fucking 9. You'd think my frame limit was set to 9 if it wasn't for the occasional 60 fps spikes. I don't know what the fuck to do I have a scrim tomorrow.
try the new -default launch option and see if u have better fps (backup your configs beforehand (just in case))

Well I just tried using the -default in the launch options and it didn't seem to change anything, all it did was to reset the game settings back to default, and simple console commands like "volume" and "net_graph 1" weren't working so I couldn't really check the fps, but I am 100% sure it was still the same, maybe the people who are having the problem should give it a try and see if it work for them, but it didn't work for me.. Anyways I think we should chill the f*** down and wait for a patch, it's only been 10 hours since the release of the update.

[quote=fr3fou][quote=Gasol]http://i.imgur.com/ngsvuC5.png

ERIC I NEED ANSWERS, WHY???

This is literally the most solid fps I've ever gotten and its fucking 9. You'd think my frame limit was set to 9 if it wasn't for the occasional 60 fps spikes. I don't know what the fuck to do I have a scrim tomorrow.[/quote]
try the new -default launch option and see if u have better fps (backup your configs beforehand (just in case))[/quote]

Well I just tried using the -default in the launch options and it didn't seem to change anything, all it did was to reset the game settings back to default, and simple console commands like "volume" and "net_graph 1" weren't working so I couldn't really check the fps, but I am 100% sure it was still the same, maybe the people who are having the problem should give it a try and see if it work for them, but it didn't work for me.. Anyways I think we should chill the f*** down and wait for a patch, it's only been 10 hours since the release of the update.
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