It's been over a year since I last played TF2 competitively and what once used to be a decent S8 IM roamer is now a subopen mouse-flailing trashcan. I know there are a lot of people who come back from breaks only to play as well, if not better than their previous form. How do I shake off the rust? Is it just a matter of putting in the time, or are there other factors involved?
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It's been over a year since I last played TF2 competitively and what once used to be a decent S8 IM roamer is now a subopen mouse-flailing trashcan. I know there are a lot of people who come back from breaks only to play as well, if not better than their previous form. How do I shake off the rust? Is it just a matter of putting in the time, or are there other factors involved?
just act like you're not rusty at all and then try to join an invite team
just act like you're not rusty at all and then try to join an invite team
Make sure to say "serious offers only / no shitbirds" in your looking post.
Make sure to say "serious offers only / no shitbirds" in your looking post.
also ask craig how to go from playing dota for 2 years to jumping straight into invite
also ask craig how to go from playing dota for 2 years to jumping straight into invite
blueberrymuffinIs it just a matter of putting in the time
yes
[quote=blueberrymuffin]Is it just a matter of putting in the time[/quote]yes
#2 worked 4 me
since i started playing again during preseason, i just dled all the esealan demos(since I knew they would work) and watched relevant ones at 8x to pick up a variety of mids/holds. pay attention to people that you find annoying to deal with and copy them. think about low risk/low chance of success/high payoff for success situations you can throw yourself into, that's what you're on your team for.
idk. most of this has nothing to do with rust, just picking up the game properly. roam is lenient on mechanics. this why the most successful ones aren't the most impressive aimers. good decision making and being fast enough at doing stuff/seeing whats going on/communicating to be able to set up plays with your team are the important things. glhf
#2 worked 4 me
since i started playing again during preseason, i just dled all the esealan demos(since I knew they would work) and watched relevant ones at 8x to pick up a variety of mids/holds. pay attention to people that you find annoying to deal with and copy them. think about low risk/low chance of success/high payoff for success situations you can throw yourself into, that's what you're on your team for.
idk. most of this has nothing to do with rust, just picking up the game properly. roam is lenient on mechanics. this why the most successful ones aren't the most impressive aimers. good decision making and being fast enough at doing stuff/seeing whats going on/communicating to be able to set up plays with your team are the important things. glhf
since i started playing again during preseason, i just dled all the esealan demos(since I knew they would work) and watched relevant ones at 8x to pick up a variety of mids/holds. pay attention to people that you find annoying to deal with and copy them. think about low risk/low chance of success/high payoff for success situations you can throw yourself into, that's what you're on your team for.
idk. most of this has nothing to do with rust, just picking up the game properly. roam is lenient on mechanics. this why the most successful ones aren't the most impressive aimers. good decision making and being fast enough at doing stuff/seeing whats going on/communicating to be able to set up plays with your team are the important things. glhf
2c#2 worked 4 me
since i started playing again during preseason, i just dled all the esealan demos(since I knew they would work) and watched relevant ones at 8x to pick up a variety of mids/holds. pay attention to people that you find annoying to deal with and copy them. think about low risk/low chance of success/high payoff for success situations you can throw yourself into, that's what you're on your team for.
idk. most of this has nothing to do with rust, just picking up the game properly. roam is lenient on mechanics. this why the most successful ones aren't the most impressive aimers. good decision making and being fast enough at doing stuff/seeing whats going on/communicating to be able to set up plays with your team are the important things. glhf
Good aim comes from tropical skittles
[quote=2c]#2 worked 4 me
since i started playing again during preseason, i just dled all the esealan demos(since I knew they would work) and watched relevant ones at 8x to pick up a variety of mids/holds. pay attention to people that you find annoying to deal with and copy them. think about low risk/low chance of success/high payoff for success situations you can throw yourself into, that's what you're on your team for.
idk. most of this has nothing to do with rust, just picking up the game properly. roam is lenient on mechanics. this why the most successful ones aren't the most impressive aimers. good decision making and being fast enough at doing stuff/seeing whats going on/communicating to be able to set up plays with your team are the important things. glhf[/quote]
Good aim comes from tropical skittles
since i started playing again during preseason, i just dled all the esealan demos(since I knew they would work) and watched relevant ones at 8x to pick up a variety of mids/holds. pay attention to people that you find annoying to deal with and copy them. think about low risk/low chance of success/high payoff for success situations you can throw yourself into, that's what you're on your team for.
idk. most of this has nothing to do with rust, just picking up the game properly. roam is lenient on mechanics. this why the most successful ones aren't the most impressive aimers. good decision making and being fast enough at doing stuff/seeing whats going on/communicating to be able to set up plays with your team are the important things. glhf[/quote]
Good aim comes from tropical skittles
Taggerung2c#2 worked 4 me
since i started playing again during preseason, i just dled all the esealan demos(since I knew they would work) and watched relevant ones at 8x to pick up a variety of mids/holds. pay attention to people that you find annoying to deal with and copy them. think about low risk/low chance of success/high payoff for success situations you can throw yourself into, that's what you're on your team for.
idk. most of this has nothing to do with rust, just picking up the game properly. roam is lenient on mechanics. this why the most successful ones aren't the most impressive aimers. good decision making and being fast enough at doing stuff/seeing whats going on/communicating to be able to set up plays with your team are the important things. glhf
Good aim comes from tropical skittles
Lies, ALL LIES Taggerung, good aim comes from starbursts
[quote=Taggerung][quote=2c]#2 worked 4 me
since i started playing again during preseason, i just dled all the esealan demos(since I knew they would work) and watched relevant ones at 8x to pick up a variety of mids/holds. pay attention to people that you find annoying to deal with and copy them. think about low risk/low chance of success/high payoff for success situations you can throw yourself into, that's what you're on your team for.
idk. most of this has nothing to do with rust, just picking up the game properly. roam is lenient on mechanics. this why the most successful ones aren't the most impressive aimers. good decision making and being fast enough at doing stuff/seeing whats going on/communicating to be able to set up plays with your team are the important things. glhf[/quote]
Good aim comes from tropical skittles[/quote]
Lies, ALL LIES Taggerung, good aim comes from starbursts
since i started playing again during preseason, i just dled all the esealan demos(since I knew they would work) and watched relevant ones at 8x to pick up a variety of mids/holds. pay attention to people that you find annoying to deal with and copy them. think about low risk/low chance of success/high payoff for success situations you can throw yourself into, that's what you're on your team for.
idk. most of this has nothing to do with rust, just picking up the game properly. roam is lenient on mechanics. this why the most successful ones aren't the most impressive aimers. good decision making and being fast enough at doing stuff/seeing whats going on/communicating to be able to set up plays with your team are the important things. glhf[/quote]
Good aim comes from tropical skittles[/quote]
Lies, ALL LIES Taggerung, good aim comes from starbursts
like, if you're coming back dude you should know the basic class mechanic's (all of em) work off of that until you get your aim and a basic understanding of how things work currently, im not good in any sense of the word but i agree with 2c, i'd pick up a ton of demos but instead of higher level demo's i'd choose demo's from your division so you are good in what you're playing instead of other people's game.
like, if you're coming back dude you should know the basic class mechanic's (all of em) work off of that until you get your aim and a basic understanding of how things work currently, im not good in any sense of the word but i agree with 2c, i'd pick up a ton of demos but instead of higher level demo's i'd choose demo's from your division so you are good in what you're playing instead of other people's game.
Saltysally1instead of higher level demo's i'd choose demo's from your division so you are good in what you're playing instead of other people's game.
that's dumb
why play for your level when you could play for advancing to the next level
[quote=Saltysally1]instead of higher level demo's i'd choose demo's from your division so you are good in what you're playing instead of other people's game.[/quote]
that's dumb
why play for your level when you could play for advancing to the next level
that's dumb
why play for your level when you could play for advancing to the next level
mustardoverlordSaltysally1instead of higher level demo's i'd choose demo's from your division so you are good in what you're playing instead of other people's game.
that's dumb
why play for your level when you could play for advancing to the next level
because if you fucking blow at your level then you'll need double the heals and switch to pocket because you suck thats why shitlord
for a serious answer though, its better because you're not watching players you'll never play, instead you're watching things that lower teams do that you wouldn't necessarily see from watching top teir players.
[quote=mustardoverlord][quote=Saltysally1]instead of higher level demo's i'd choose demo's from your division so you are good in what you're playing instead of other people's game.[/quote]
that's dumb
why play for your level when you could play for advancing to the next level[/quote]
because if you fucking blow at your level then you'll need double the heals and switch to pocket because you suck thats why shitlord
for a serious answer though, its better because you're not watching players you'll never play, instead you're watching things that lower teams do that you wouldn't necessarily see from watching top teir players.
that's dumb
why play for your level when you could play for advancing to the next level[/quote]
because if you fucking blow at your level then you'll need double the heals and switch to pocket because you suck thats why shitlord
for a serious answer though, its better because you're not watching players you'll never play, instead you're watching things that lower teams do that you wouldn't necessarily see from watching top teir players.
damn straight you'll never play them if you don't watch them
the invite metagame is just better than anywhere else. sure you could figure out the specific retardation of the open team you're playing and counter it- I do that a lot. however, you also wanna learn how to actually play correctly, how to play proactively and force the other team to adapt to you. if you don't know how to do that you'll always be shit.
damn straight you'll never play them if you don't watch them
the invite metagame is just better than anywhere else. sure you could figure out the specific retardation of the open team you're playing and counter it- I do that a lot. however, you also wanna learn how to actually play correctly, how to play proactively and force the other team to adapt to you. if you don't know how to do that you'll always be shit.
the invite metagame is just better than anywhere else. sure you could figure out the specific retardation of the open team you're playing and counter it- I do that a lot. however, you also wanna learn how to actually play correctly, how to play proactively and force the other team to adapt to you. if you don't know how to do that you'll always be shit.
mustardoverlorddamn straight you'll never play them if you don't watch them
the invite metagame is just better than anywhere else. sure you could figure out the specific retardation of the open team you're playing and counter it- I do that a lot. however, you also wanna learn how to actually play correctly, how to play proactively and force the other team to adapt to you. if you don't know how to do that you'll always be shit.
why prepare for the future if you're not their yet, if you counter the retardation of open that makes you higher then them, and if better then the other team then you should progress and watch a new demo that is your level, once you beat that level you progress to the next. you cant watch something higher then you and expect to apply the same principle to a completely unrelated match similarly learning small things like trap placement and micro gameplay like what to do with uber and where to jump as soldier can be very helpful in your open match but watching tlr, probably the best soldier in invite, wont help you beat the best soldier in open because you aren't tlr and your team isn't mix^.
tl;dr my dick is bigger then yours, you lose.
[quote=mustardoverlord]damn straight you'll never play them if you don't watch them
the invite metagame is just better than anywhere else. sure you could figure out the specific retardation of the open team you're playing and counter it- I do that a lot. however, you also wanna learn how to actually play correctly, how to play proactively and force the other team to adapt to you. if you don't know how to do that you'll always be shit.[/quote]
why prepare for the future if you're not their yet, if you counter the retardation of open that makes you higher then them, and if better then the other team then you should progress and watch a new demo that is your level, once you beat that level you progress to the next. you cant watch something higher then you and expect to apply the same principle to a completely unrelated match similarly learning small things like trap placement and micro gameplay like what to do with uber and where to jump as soldier can be very helpful in your open match but watching tlr, probably the best soldier in invite, wont help you beat the best soldier in open because you aren't tlr and your team isn't mix^.
tl;dr my dick is bigger then yours, you lose.
the invite metagame is just better than anywhere else. sure you could figure out the specific retardation of the open team you're playing and counter it- I do that a lot. however, you also wanna learn how to actually play correctly, how to play proactively and force the other team to adapt to you. if you don't know how to do that you'll always be shit.[/quote]
why prepare for the future if you're not their yet, if you counter the retardation of open that makes you higher then them, and if better then the other team then you should progress and watch a new demo that is your level, once you beat that level you progress to the next. you cant watch something higher then you and expect to apply the same principle to a completely unrelated match similarly learning small things like trap placement and micro gameplay like what to do with uber and where to jump as soldier can be very helpful in your open match but watching tlr, probably the best soldier in invite, wont help you beat the best soldier in open because you aren't tlr and your team isn't mix^.
tl;dr my dick is bigger then yours, you lose.
when you watch a demo of a player in a higher division, you typically ask yourself (or a mentor if there is one), "why did he do that/the team do that?" and then you come up with what you think is the best reason, or you and your mentor discuss why he/they did it. you can do the same with another player in a lower division, but higher division players are typically more correct in their decisions.
you're not "trying to be tlr" when you watch a demo of tlr. you're watching a demo of tlr because he's a pretty good soldier who plays in invite and knows what he's doing compared to some soldier in open or IM, who only know a fraction in comparison. wouldn't you rather watch a demo of someone who knows what they're doing more than players in a lower division? i mean it's not like it actually takes someone to be in invite to pull off most things in this game, it just takes gamesense and a little bit of good aim.
saltysally, i really wish you'd stop trying to act like you're really smart and always right.
when you watch a demo of a player in a higher division, you typically ask yourself (or a mentor if there is one), "why did he do that/the team do that?" and then you come up with what you think is the best reason, or you and your mentor discuss why he/they did it. you can do the same with another player in a lower division, but higher division players are typically more correct in their decisions.
you're not "trying to be tlr" when you watch a demo of tlr. you're watching a demo of tlr because he's a pretty good soldier who plays in invite and knows what he's doing compared to some soldier in open or IM, who only know a fraction in comparison. wouldn't you rather watch a demo of someone who knows what they're doing more than players in a lower division? i mean it's not like it actually takes someone to be in invite to pull off most things in this game, it just takes gamesense and a little bit of good aim.
saltysally, i really wish you'd stop trying to act like you're really smart and always right.
you're not "trying to be tlr" when you watch a demo of tlr. you're watching a demo of tlr because he's a pretty good soldier who plays in invite and knows what he's doing compared to some soldier in open or IM, who only know a fraction in comparison. wouldn't you rather watch a demo of someone who knows what they're doing more than players in a lower division? i mean it's not like it actually takes someone to be in invite to pull off most things in this game, it just takes gamesense and a little bit of good aim.
saltysally, i really wish you'd stop trying to act like you're really smart and always right.
Saltysally1why prepare for the future if you're not their yet,
What a winner.
[quote=Saltysally1]why prepare for the future if you're not their yet,[/quote]
What a winner.
What a winner.
Saltysally1mustardoverlorddamn straight you'll never play them if you don't watch themwhy prepare for the future if you're not their yet, if you counter the retardation of open that makes you higher then them, and if better then the other team then you should progress and watch a new demo that is your level, once you beat that level you progress to the next. you cant watch something higher then you and expect to apply the same principle to a completely unrelated match similarly learning small things like trap placement and micro gameplay like what to do with uber and where to jump as soldier can be very helpful in your open match but watching tlr, probably the best soldier in invite, wont help you beat the best soldier in open because you aren't tlr and your team isn't mix^.
the invite metagame is just better than anywhere else. sure you could figure out the specific retardation of the open team you're playing and counter it- I do that a lot. however, you also wanna learn how to actually play correctly, how to play proactively and force the other team to adapt to you. if you don't know how to do that you'll always be shit.
tl;dr my dick is bigger then yours, you lose.
Mechanic wise, TF2 is a pretty simple game. An open player can easily apply the positioning, jumping position, heal order, rollouts, etc. of an invite player. Sure whats going through the invite players head is completely different than whats going through the open player, but you don't improve past your division by only trying to beat what's in your division.
[quote=Saltysally1][quote=mustardoverlord]damn straight you'll never play them if you don't watch them
the invite metagame is just better than anywhere else. sure you could figure out the specific retardation of the open team you're playing and counter it- I do that a lot. however, you also wanna learn how to actually play correctly, how to play proactively and force the other team to adapt to you. if you don't know how to do that you'll always be shit.[/quote]
why prepare for the future if you're not their yet, if you counter the retardation of open that makes you higher then them, and if better then the other team then you should progress and watch a new demo that is your level, once you beat that level you progress to the next. you cant watch something higher then you and expect to apply the same principle to a completely unrelated match similarly learning small things like trap placement and micro gameplay like what to do with uber and where to jump as soldier can be very helpful in your open match but watching tlr, probably the best soldier in invite, wont help you beat the best soldier in open because you aren't tlr and your team isn't mix^.
tl;dr my dick is bigger then yours, you lose.[/quote]
Mechanic wise, TF2 is a pretty simple game. An open player can easily apply the positioning, jumping position, heal order, rollouts, etc. of an invite player. Sure whats going through the invite players head is completely different than whats going through the open player, but you don't improve past your division by only trying to beat what's in your division.
the invite metagame is just better than anywhere else. sure you could figure out the specific retardation of the open team you're playing and counter it- I do that a lot. however, you also wanna learn how to actually play correctly, how to play proactively and force the other team to adapt to you. if you don't know how to do that you'll always be shit.[/quote]
why prepare for the future if you're not their yet, if you counter the retardation of open that makes you higher then them, and if better then the other team then you should progress and watch a new demo that is your level, once you beat that level you progress to the next. you cant watch something higher then you and expect to apply the same principle to a completely unrelated match similarly learning small things like trap placement and micro gameplay like what to do with uber and where to jump as soldier can be very helpful in your open match but watching tlr, probably the best soldier in invite, wont help you beat the best soldier in open because you aren't tlr and your team isn't mix^.
tl;dr my dick is bigger then yours, you lose.[/quote]
Mechanic wise, TF2 is a pretty simple game. An open player can easily apply the positioning, jumping position, heal order, rollouts, etc. of an invite player. Sure whats going through the invite players head is completely different than whats going through the open player, but you don't improve past your division by only trying to beat what's in your division.
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