smh

SEMPHIS FOR 50K LOL

Wtf

why

people said kinguin paid too much for rain, and just a little over half a year later people are paying 10k more for semphis

yikes...

I think semphis is the biggest road to nowhere in the game rofl

he's like the Rex Ryan of CSGO. Everywhere he goes turns into a wasteland\

also on the paying topic I wish we knew what NME offered Koosta to stay. A big org like TSM buying semphis for 50k I can only imagine what NME offered him to stay...I had no idea they had that kind of money really

If the money was spread more evenly between EU/NA I think NA would be a lot better.

as it stands now huge talents like koosta and roca are being locked into orgs and there isn't enough peripheral talent to build internationally competitive teams around them. na needs a massive shakeup that forms 2-3 super teams, but the buyouts are too high for that to happen (unless e-league changes things somehow)

edit: I think that NA has too much money being pumped into it, not too little

It's not money it's orgs holding on to players and players not making the commitment to actually trying to do this because of egos. Look at Liquid. Instead of keeping the same old shit like CLG, C9, old liquid they are taking a big chance that could be fucking huge or could flop
C9 kept semphis how long? What happened when they brought in two new dudes? Oh right they went to 3 straight finals

Chances are what builds great CS teams. Take a look at NiP and how they are blowing it

Fnatic cutting schneider even though he was one of their better performers for OlofM and krimz. Best team to date.
EnvyUS losing Shoxie their arguable best player for 2 new ones. Wins a major
The forming of that DHW winning LDLC team. Totally rebuilt the french scene with the ex6tenz Happy split formed the best french csgo team
Kinguin taking a big risk and look at them now

NA just has the same old stagnating shit teams revolving around

Team officially announced and it looks very not good at all rofl

http://www.tsm.gg/index.php/news/tsms-new-csgo-lineup/

Should compete w NA teams like optic, but disappointing if you wanted tsm at a major

Nah I'm pretty sure this team falls below
c9
CLG
Optic
coL (potentially)
Liquid
Possibly NME

this team is some straight ass

that's pretty tragic but is there really anyone else they could've gotten

ex-Titan?

im talking about the roster not the org

no free agents and they couldn't buy any good players out of their contracts

I think TSM wanted an NA team this time around, but they dropped the ball on the only worthwhile free agent team on the continent (OG). So then you get a classic NA mix of whoever's available, which is... not good, seeing as almost everyone is taken. At best, this team might do decent just because TSM can throw resources at them, but I don't see them being the next C9 or even the next Liquid lol

yeah but they could have picked up the ex-Titan roster (as titan folded, they were all free agents looking together for a new org)

like you're not getting it or you didn't know titan folded

TSM has wanted to build a roster around some experienced NA players after 2015 so they wanted some young potential players to play with. Sick and Vice have a lot of potential and I don't think that TSM expects to be going to any majors soon. They just want to build on these players and over time, they could become very good.
I feel like semphis is the wrong player to build a team around, since none of the teams he has played on have been any good since he got dropped from C9.
Also Valens is a great coach.

FNS is the only good player on that team. this is basically csgo's version of froyotech. an org/team with a winning pedigree and then "dies" to only be reformed into a half as good team to try and hold the legacy of the old. good luck tsm but they stand no chance in making it to a major.

TSM didnt want another EU team because of time zone differences in management

For TSM's sake I hope this roster does well

I do not understand how the topic sentence of your first paragraph is remotely related to the rest of it. There is an overwhelming amount of new talent in this roster, with autimatic, sick, and vice; the two veterans are semphis and fns. If anything, this roster is a perfect example of a risk. There are 3 players who have never competed at major level, and amongst the veterans that are teamless, semphis is probably the best you could get. And teams need players who actually know how to play and have experience, otherwise you wind up like kinguin (you mean G2 I guess?) who now suck dick after they lost dennis, who in his own right has considerable counter-strike knowledge and experience.

You make these claims that seem to have no consistency to them. Teams should feel compelled to pick up new talent; shaping newer players into better ones is a proven method to improve as a team. But your examples are either exactly what the team is doing, with FNS and 3 new players, or it's not an example of a "risk," like cutting shoxie and smithzz for apex and kennys. Honestly, without shox I don't think the team will be able to get over their current lackluster performance, because despite their added firepower, there lacks a clutch factor and levelheadedness. But if you're going to cut shox and smithhz, who are the best players you can get to replace them? Quite literally the players they got. That's not a risk, it's something you have to do. Shox doesn't like the way the team is being run, cut him, pick up the players closest to his level in skill.

Every region has stagnancy. You literally need it for teams to actually work. Look at the players who have been at the top of the European scene for so long. You will not find an actual top team without a considerable amount of veteran talent, with new talent mixed in. That's exactly what the NA teams are trying to do with stewie in for c9 and liquid with nitro and elige. Even CLG has considerable new talent; none of their players are really CS veterans (shocker, they suck). So, I dunno man. Even NiP is trying new talent with pyth, friberg is the only one you'd potentially want to cut, but even then his role and playstyle within the team seems off, rather than his actual talent. If you actually watch the game and keep biases out of the equation, friberg is a sick player. But the way NiP uses him has obviously been proven to work less and less. The rest of them you're going to obviously keep on the team. GTR, f0rest, and even xizt are pretty sick.

You can find all these examples in TF2 as well. What you type seems to be regurgitated shit from thorin or even lurppis, but it's not even used in the right context.

Time to put method on the higher end of the list?

Regarding topic sentence - look at context of my response to the comment above just forgot to quote it I guess

Regarding the thorin lurpis thing - I occasionally watch some thorin videos but I think generally he's a prick and I know who lurpis is but I really don't like him so idk what he says

Talent is great BUT people look at it way wrong. There's tons of "talent" that is just that - talent and nothing else. NA now compared to previous years is trying to add more players that are talent and not the same revolving shit. Except in the case of TSM this "talent" (which I'm fine with giving sick and vice - tim is getting to the point where he actually needs to show up soon because he's been pretty average with occasional sparks) is surrounded by Semphis (who has actually ruined some of the talent he had in the past like coL and nihilum) and FNS who was cut from CLG, a team that stagnated near 3rd place in NA - and he was the worst player AND he was removed from IGL. These "veterans" won't mold these players into shit and that's why they're there. TSM didn't surround these younger players that could turn into something with literally ANY help at all. Actually they did the opposite; they surrounded them by two players who had a talented team and did nothing, and a guy who was cut from a team for not improving! Valens also has done nothing on the teams he has igl'd and coached.

Every region has stagnancy and you need it to a degree to work. While that's definitely true I agree. With talent I think you have a ticking timebomb. Let's take your examples C9 taking in Stewie (I think this is entirely different than any other case). So with C9 taking in Stewie they added talent much like they did with shroud which actually ended up pretty well shroud turned into a good player. Much like shroud stewie came to the top of the scene incredibly quickly and is arguably the most talented player NA has to offer right now. BUT stewie is different from all other talent. He's different from all other talent in the sense that he has all the aim and DM skills right now but he isn't talented in the brain aspect. He plays like an idiot that just solo queued pugs all day long and this is what you got. I believe that talent can be many things and he's definitely there but I think that because of the way stewie plays he's a high risk low reward player because his play style is so terrible that he probably won't work against EU teams. But you're right it is a risk that could possibly work.

CLG taking in considerable talent. This is just down right wrong I believe. The entire team has stayed at the exact same level for an entire fucking year. Literally the last 10 months that team has not changed from the level they were at. That "talent" hasn't improved at all and isn't called talent anymore. That team isn't made up of talent it is made up of 5 players that are probably at close to their top level. CLG have been together for like 2 years and they have seen little improvement

NiP added new talent. Again referring to the CLG thing. Pyth isn't talent anymore - he basically showed what he was made of when he moved to NA and literally did nothing. Before the NA spell he had I'd say he had talent but it was unproven. Pyth in theory because he was talented should've gone to NA and completely owned off of pure skill. BUT he didn't and actually was very underwhelming. So I'd say that NiP is buying a dead horse but who knows maybe he can just unleash something that he had a year ago

On the idea that adding KennyS and Apex wasn't a risk is wrong. EnvyUS knew that by cutting smithz (their worst player) that shoxie would leave (their best player). The players they added could've actually been even worse than the two players they had before. Apex could've been as bad as smithz or even worse possibly and time will tell if he goes back to titan era apex my god that was bad. And KennyS might not even have been the best player on the team and still isn't I'd say. By taking the two players that could've been even than their current they were taking a large risk. Now whether or not Shox was leaving regardless we don't really know but I think he did have some problems with happy leading.

Also I think that TSM has too many unproven players and has too many players that could literally just be premier players or winterfoxes that don't do shit. That's what I think about a ton of players. When is the line drawn where they are just average players that aren't getting better and when they are actually improving and getting better - that is a talented player

Much like muma I think in tf2 (idk I haven't followed it in like a year just sorta bits and pieces) that guy is talented cause he improved a shit load and still is whereas a guy idk like some dumb open player or low IM player who has been there forever is still at a lower level that guy isn't talent just because he's at a lower level trying to improve
Let me know if I left anything out I enjoy talking CS