g303 > g302

literally only difference is the 303 has a way better sensor

I'm wary of sensor rattle in the 303 (although I'd be buying new and locally, so it shouldn't really be an issue). The 302 is also $10 cheaper for me, which, if EC2-As come back with Omrons in a week or two, would be a better price for a backup mouse/less wasted on a gift-card refund.

You don't have to worry too much, I just took it apart and sellotaped some folded paper under the sensor to keep it in place. It's quite an easy fix, I used this video to help too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI6UulAMWnQ

Thar shape of the 302/303 is hit our miss. Some people don't mind it. I personally HATED it. Otherwise it is a good mouse. Razer/Zowie build quality is questionable. Razer has button failing issues while Zowie has coating issues. IMHO in this price bracket there are better options.

I would consider the following mice...
Roccat Kone Pure Military
Mionix Castor
Logitech G303

Haven't heard of any other mice that didn't have some sort of objective major flaw with sensors, build quality, coatings, or weight.

I think screw is overstating the coating issues from zowie, and the kpm is another extremely hit or miss shape (personally I love it).

Also Mionix makes very high quality mice and don't get enough recognition. They're expensive if you can't find one on sale though.

I'm not going to take apart a mouse I might not even like and risk voiding a refund. If I buy a G303 and the sensor rattles, I'm returning it immediately.

I had heard the EC2-A actually had good coating, at least compared to some other ZOWIE mice.

FK
EC2
Deathadder
G303 if you are prepared for the shape

I highly recommend this youtuber (RocketJumpingNinja): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGJaDZC7PChgd-XMwcbZkiw This guy has a great analysis on mouses that you could use.

-Mionix Castor= great but it kind of forces you to hold the mouse in a certain way+ it's expensive

-Logitech G302= no point, basically the same as a g303, save the extra 10

-Logitech G303= it does have a bit of sensor rattling but if you can deal with it then it's fine. The sensor is still one of if not the best in the market. Oh yeah it also has an odd design but I believe it's easy to get used to.

-Zowie ec2 a- a great mouse, no real complaints other than the side buttons which are a bit stiff

-Zowie fk1- My personal mouse of choice, it's basically just an ambidextrous version of the ec2 a

-Steelseries Kana v2- another great mouse although it is a bit small

-Zowie za11- an in between of the ec2 a and the fk1, ambidextrous and is more curved for at the top, suited for palm crip

-Roccat Kone Pure Military= great mouse but make sure to get the optical version instead of laser

-Mionix Avior 7000= great mouse but it's very expensive, you could probably get better for cheaper

-Steelseries Sensei-=a very popular mouse but it has an inferior laser sensor.

-Steelseries Rival 100/300= 300 is mainly for palm grip, great mouse. It was my previous mouse although the side grip wore out very fast, rival 100 is basically just the smaller version of the 300

Another thing that I've been told is sometimes the Avago 3310 sensor skips on coloured mousepads, I haven't tested myself so I don't know for sure. But if you do end up getting a mouse with this sensor, maybe just get a completely black mousepad just to be certain.

Question: assuming the EC2-A permanently keeps the Huano switches, would it still be better than/equal to the G303? Some people say they don't mind the lack of Omrons and/or can't tell the difference, but others say the delay is intolerable (I've only used the DA's Omrons thus far).

I was watching his videos earlier, which swayed me to either the G302/G303 or the EC2-A.

Also, is there a reason people like ambidextrous mice? I use a palm grip and can't imagine a comfortable grip without the ergonomic curve.

It's honestly not that bad, Omrons are better though. It's really personal preference on whether it's better than the g303 but I'd still go for the ec2 a just because you don't have that sensor rattle and the shape is easier to get used to.

Also yes, the ec2 a does have really good coating

"Also, is there a reason people like ambidextrous mice? I use a palm grip and can't imagine a comfortable grip without the ergonomic curve.?"

Again, personal preference, I love ambidextrous mouses because I find them easier to hold, and that's coming from a guy who used an ss rival for 2 years. If you want an ergonomic mouse I'd recommend the:
Roccat Kone Pure Military
Zowie ec2 a
Steelseries Rival

They all have their negatives but out of these I would still recommend the zowie the most because it doesn't 'force' you to hold the mouse as much as other ergonomic mouses on the market. Its build quality is also very good

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technically, the G303 destroys the EC2-A.
so i would say it comes down to which shape you prefer.

as for the complaints about the stiff buttons; the shell has just as big an impact as switches used do. for the zowie it's mostly the shell that people dislike, not the switches. people have swapped the huanos out for omrons, and still the buttons were very stiff.
also, the delay has nothing to do with the huanos, it's the firmware that's just mediocre.

i think the main reason is because ambidextrous is way more flexible, and everyone's grip differs slightly.
with ergonomic mice, there's not really a way to 'get around' the shape.

lol and why would that be?

you can't go wrong with a za11/za12

love my za11

lol, what makes you think they are equal?

better pcb / firmware - lower button latency, less delay(smoothing), stronger sensor. this has all been proven with tests, internally there is nothing about the ec2-a that beats the g303.

not that it really matters. because the ec2-a performs well enough to be used at pro-level.
as for the g303, if you don't like the shape it really doesn't matter how good it is, internally.
and other stuff like stiffness of buttons and coating is preference

i hope i didn't make you mad

No, but you have made me curious about those independent ""tests"" that are supposed to prove the 3366 superior to the 3310. I haven't seen any. I'm also really curious about those ""tests"" that prove the firmware of one mouse "better" than that of another.
Please, by all means, feel free to post them here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE7XFea3B5Y

I use an EC2-A, and the heavier switches really aren't that bad. but if the switches really are that big of a deal for you, the sensor, shape, and quality of the mouse will make up for where the switches are lacking.

since it sounds like you just want a smaller/lighter DA, I cannot recommenced the EC2-A enough. it's really fantastic.

I have both the G303 and the G302 and the G302 feels far worse.

The G302 cord is MUCH MUCH stiffer. This was my main complaint with the G302 overall, the cord was just so much stiffer than any cord I had ever used and it messed me up quite often. The G302 sensor also feels noticeably worse than the G303 sensor (in my opinion, not a big difference though obviously) and the G302 doesn't have mouse feet on the sides of the mouse, only on the front and the back, so it feels almost wobbly as you slide it across your mouse pad

I enjoy my G303 far far more than my G302 based on these few changes. You said the G302 is 10 dollars cheaper but I would say the 10 dollar difference is worth it based on the differences between the two

Technically it is but i find there is no discernible difference between a decent 3310 implementation and the 3366. I personally have never made the 3310 skip during normal gameplay (3090 is useless to me because of this). I am a fairly fast mouser (mained soldier on a 25inch 360 at one time) so if it doesn't screw up for me it should be fine for 99.9% of people.

intellimouse explorer 3.0 is all you need

if you use a 5 in 360 and don't want to play ESEA

just to hijack the thread a bit

I have a Zowie AM and it feels like it's going before that I had an intellimouse and those were the only 2 mice I've had

I'm gonna buy a new mouse soon and I want to stay on an ambidextrous mouse with a similar shape

just from the thread I've seen recommendations for the g303 / ZA11 / ZA12 repeated a few times and I'm curious which one would be better for the mice I've used previously

I also want to buy a new mousepad that's a decent size (I play on like 10" and I would like to be able to play on a slower sens) so if you have any recommendations for that, cool

for reference, I claw

thanks

I would highly reccomend a mionix castor, http://mionix.net/mice/castor/ this mouse is fucking premium, but has a large premium for it. Theres also the FinalMouse 2016 which has seen very good reviews from pros, if you cant afford the mionix, http://www.finalmouse.com/ However, I have heard the 2016 version is heavier than the advertised 76 grams. Best to do your research before buying. Best of luck to ya

I'd be slightly apprehensive about the FinalMouse. While I have heard people saying it is very good, I have also heard a LOT of QC/build problems.

It's a shame, because its measurements and weight are exactly what I'm after in a new mouse :(

I guess I'll just recommend my mouse
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Anything by zowie is godlike. I used to play with the DA as well, and then I switched to the ambidextrious za12, which I will admit took a little bit, but it feels so much better to hold it and do fast movements. I have a finger tip grip though so it works great for me, you would probably want to stay with the ec2-a

i was wondering why no one brought up finalmouse. ive heard really good things about the brand from cs streamers and players in general and ive always wondered about it because the feet on my deathadder are starting to wear down and instead of replacing them i sort of wanted to look into a new mouse and i was wondering about final mouse. i have big hands with a claw grip and idk what to do.