literally two posts ago you made fun of both stabby and mentally challenged people but calling someone a "shit-talking nobody" is too much for your forums i guess

alllllllright can we get back to the main topic aka calling stabby a fuckin moron

highlander at the highest level right now is just pocketing and playing around your sniper until he gets a pick. people will push off of sniper picks because they're just as valued as a demo pick is, and if the other team is playing correctly, the only way you're going to consistently get a sniper pick is from another sniper. prolander will just turn into a game where the performance of your sniper will heavily rely on whether or not you get the W.

i think stabby's a super cool guy and all, but you can't trash talk 6s for being stale while simultaneously backing the most stale gamemode in tf2.

missread rofl i thought he called 6s stale we good

EleGiggle

the fuck are you on about i'm siding against stabby lol

> stale 6's meta
> highlander has only ever used 1 of every class and nothing ever changes

what is ur issue

im in a shitposting mood
ill take those downfrags tho i actually read what he said wrong

https://www.reddit.com/r/truetf2/
http://www.ugcleague.net/forum/forum.php

yeah i vowed to stay away from that autism thanks for the recommendations tho

His reasoning is bad cause he has no idea what he is talking about and has no idea how 6v6 works. Limiting the classes to 1 will not "kill the stale high level 6s meta" or "kill time wasting class compositions". It will create a new even more stale meta. All valve have to do is use the common 6v6 class limits that have been used for ages and pretty much proven to be very fun and balanced. I don't see how doing this could be so hard as valve must be aware that the competitive scene has been going on for many years now. Even just limiting medic and demo to 1 and everything else to 2 would be good enough for me though not ideal. I don't know why people like stabby think they know how competitive 6v6 works despite not even knowing anything about it.

Worst part is stabbystabby is very popular so valve might take his and his fans opinion into consideration.

http://i.imgur.com/Pyzz2Os.png

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they tried to ban my 4s threads///

more autistic than tftv imo

unlikely

Valve has already said Highlander is not what they want competitive to be, so I could not worry less about this tweet

EDIT: Actually here, let's get constructive. I feel a class limit of 2 would be a lot more reasonable, and feels just about right. I'm on the fence about whether to limit Medic/Heavy/Demo or whatever else to 1, but most 6v6 players I've spoken with agree class limit 1 is best for Medic at the very least. Having two completely destroys uber meta-game, uber counting, etc. But we have to assume Valve is trying to restrict as little as possible, and be ready for anything.

A) calling something "stale" isn't "trash talking". The class composition for 6's has seen 0 experimentation since the days of the format's inception. That's simply fact.

B) Yes, I have limited experience in 6's. How does this make my observation that 6's dogma essentially outlaws class experimentation illegitimate? I am suggesting that match making would benefit from this, I'm not calling for the death of 6's.

C) What reasoning is it that so many of you are labeling "bad"? It was a tweet. I offered no reasoning.

D) I'm not sure what I did to merit such hatred, I try hard to be a nice guy. I think some of you are nice people that are dehumanizing me because I'm "famous". Be civil, it's a good thing.

lol

http://i.imgur.com/dIUZOw3.png

https://twitter.com/stabbyvideo/status/708662543670116352
The only reason the scout/solly/dem/med is all that's run is narrow-mindedness

Looks like a bad reason to me

1) 6s has seen experimentation, have you never seen situational offclassing to break stalemates. people have tried running sniper for more time such as flippy, alfa offclassed a ton. calling something stale can't even be interpreted as positive so it's trash talk, like the word itself has a negative connotation like a piece of dirty shit bread on the street that's dried out and stuff

2) if you don't play 6s why do you comment on how 6s should be played. adding more offclasses doesn't really help, have you seen 4s where offclasses such as pyro are run fulltime? do you want matchmaking to essentially be 4s? sure it's fun but once people get out of mm into real leagues then they're going to be upset they can't main pyro or something.

3) if you don't offer reasoning why are you upset that people don't agree? you are a popular youtuber/streamer and you can influence your audience without reasoning.

4) idk, i think your influence over others should mean that you try to use reasoning to justify your opinions before half of /r/tf2 starts spouting the same thing and use "ginyu stubbystubby -ts- said it so your're wrong." the few personal attacks here isn't the majority, but yeah personal attacks shouldn't be the point

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Just like HL's class composition experimenting.

For real though, even when ugc has allowed blatantly broken items like the beggars bazooka or the soda popper, there had only ever been one person in platinum abusing them. In the case of reserve shooter, 0 people. There is less experimentation in HL than in 6s even ignoring class composition.

"I have limited experience, why does that mean my opinion of 6s is wrong"

6s has always been about strong generalists and specialist offclassing. While some classes (spy) may be very weak, you'll see much more variation in playstyle than in HL, and still plenty of class changing. Some people prefer pyro on last, others heavies, others engineers. Some people prefer to suicide into lasts rather than snipe. And these are all options, teams can do what they like. No you won't see a diverse mid. No you won't see every class run full-time, but who cares? The mobile generalists are inherently stronger in that sort of situation.

When you say "Do this and it will fix things" you imply that your thought has reason behind it. You're implying that a class limit of one reasonably fixes the problems. Which is wrong.

The reason people are upset is because you have a large fanbase and spew vitriol that even you don't understand. It paints a negative picture of things, and at worse, can lead to a fanbase parroting your views simply because you have it. People don't hate you, they hate the "power" you hold over masses.

Having 2 medics won't work cause as you said it will really mess up the uber meta and for various other reasons, it would turn competitive tf2 into a totally different game that won't work at all. Having 2 demomen will be a real pain to play against even with the recent nerf, there was a time when there were 2 demomen in play and it was very quickly apparent that it wasn't going to work. As for heavy there was a time when 2 heavy's were in play and it was abused on last, pushing last is already incredibly difficult on a lot of maps and having push against 2 fully buffed heavys will literally be the most horrific thing to play against. Teams would run scouts and soldiers to mid and then when it comes to last they would just set up and abuse those class limits. Sure you could run snipers to try and pick off the heavy's but you can still play around that.

mfw hl mains think class restricting makes the game more diverse

stabby my man it's got nothing to do with your fame

i dont understand why people have this idea that leagues should copy the matchmaking ruleset of no class limits/unlocks

i could maybe see unbanning all unlocks and providing valve with evidence to nerf the dumb ones, but class limits are necessary for a competitive environment imo

1) "Offclassing" is a term based on the premise that there is only one class composition. I'd like to see more new configurations, not sporadic variations on the classic. "Stale" means no longer fresh; tell me how the 2 scout/2 soldier/demo/medic configuration is "fresh".

2) I'm talking about match making. I don't want it to be 6's, I want it to offer some new, different, and more inclusive.

3) Twitter has a character limit. I'm not upset :d

4) ^ + word

Whoa...vitriol? Where?

Honestly, I really didn't mean to offend. I tweeted a suggestion that I believe would make match making better for the general tf2 community.

Apologies if I offended anyone; I'm honestly confused as to why what I said is being interpreted this way :(