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https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-ugc-great-again
Spread the word. Post it in your school.
Spread the word. Post it in your school.
The TL;DR is that UGC killed gold due to not enough gold and plat teams being readied up
The TL;DR is that UGC killed gold due to not enough gold and plat teams being readied up
UGC could single handedly be killed due to one decision
UGC could single handedly be killed due to one decision
OR I have an idea, let UGC die and then move all the players to ESEA...
OR I have an idea, let UGC die and then move all the players to ESEA...
reminder that these get posted on tftv because ugc admins would nuke the thread
Tino_OR I have an idea, let UGC die and then move all the players toESEAoverwatch...
reminder that these get posted on tftv because ugc admins would nuke the thread
[quote=Tino_]OR I have an idea, let UGC die and then move all the players to [s]ESEA[/s] overwatch...[/quote]
[quote=Tino_]OR I have an idea, let UGC die and then move all the players to [s]ESEA[/s] overwatch...[/quote]
kumori deleting more posts in a day than tftv has deleted in 3 years
kumori deleting more posts in a day than tftv has deleted in 3 years
HuckDidn't realize that esea has hl leagues Tino
Don't act like that's a negative.
It is, for a lack of a better term, a clusterfuck. 6 is a huge team compared to other esports. the fact that MM isn't 5's or 9's (or 7, 8 or 4s) should tell you that HL has no place in real competition.
[quote=Huck]Didn't realize that esea has hl leagues Tino[/quote]
Don't act like that's a negative.
It is, for a lack of a better term, a clusterfuck. 6 is a huge team compared to other esports. the fact that MM isn't 5's or 9's (or 7, 8 or 4s) should tell you that HL has no place in real competition.
Don't act like that's a negative.
It is, for a lack of a better term, a clusterfuck. 6 is a huge team compared to other esports. the fact that MM isn't 5's or 9's (or 7, 8 or 4s) should tell you that HL has no place in real competition.
I feel it's in really poor taste for the admins to just keep deleting the threads about this issue. I understand that they want a civil discussion about the removal of gold. But there won't be one till all the backlash is gone. They should allow the community to vent it will be better than letting the anger just build up even more.
I feel it's in really poor taste for the admins to just keep deleting the threads about this issue. I understand that they want a civil discussion about the removal of gold. But there won't be one till all the backlash is gone. They should allow the community to vent it will be better than letting the anger just build up even more.
There WAS a civil discussion about removing gold, but they didn't respond to it.
There WAS a civil discussion about removing gold, but they didn't respond to it.
DrPloxoDon't act like that's a negative.
It is, for a lack of a better term, a clusterfuck. 6 is a huge team compared to other esports. the fact that MM isn't 5's or 9's (or 7, 8 or 4s) should tell you that HL has no place in real competition.
I doubt too many active Highlander players really expect any sort of official support or organization for the format. As long as people have fun playing it and the league is willing to host it, I don't see why things can't continue as they have been.
[quote=DrPloxo]
Don't act like that's a negative.
It is, for a lack of a better term, a clusterfuck. 6 is a huge team compared to other esports. the fact that MM isn't 5's or 9's (or 7, 8 or 4s) should tell you that HL has no place in real competition.[/quote]
I doubt too many active Highlander players really expect any sort of official support or organization for the format. As long as people have fun playing it and the league is willing to host it, I don't see why things can't continue as they have been.
Don't act like that's a negative.
It is, for a lack of a better term, a clusterfuck. 6 is a huge team compared to other esports. the fact that MM isn't 5's or 9's (or 7, 8 or 4s) should tell you that HL has no place in real competition.[/quote]
I doubt too many active Highlander players really expect any sort of official support or organization for the format. As long as people have fun playing it and the league is willing to host it, I don't see why things can't continue as they have been.
saamkumori deleting more posts in a day than tftv has deleted in 3 years
last time tftv deleted more than 5 posts in 1 day is when voldemort got banned
[quote=saam]kumori deleting more posts in a day than tftv has deleted in 3 years[/quote]
last time tftv deleted more than 5 posts in 1 day is when voldemort got banned
last time tftv deleted more than 5 posts in 1 day is when voldemort got banned
CapSizeThe TL;DR is that UGC killed gold due to not enough gold and plat teams being readied up
That's one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.
[quote=CapSize]The TL;DR is that UGC killed gold due to not enough gold and plat teams being readied up[/quote]
That's one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.
That's one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.
ConkyCapSizeThe TL;DR is that UGC killed gold due to not enough gold and plat teams being readied up
That's one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.
please explain how it's a dumb idea to not include a division because you don't have enough teams to fill said division/divisions
[quote=Conky][quote=CapSize]The TL;DR is that UGC killed gold due to not enough gold and plat teams being readied up[/quote]
That's one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.[/quote]
please explain how it's a dumb idea to not include a division because you don't have enough teams to fill said division/divisions
That's one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.[/quote]
please explain how it's a dumb idea to not include a division because you don't have enough teams to fill said division/divisions
From my outsider's perspective, if UGC dies it's because of the admins, not the players.
From my outsider's perspective, if UGC dies it's because of the admins, not the players.
KonceptLegacyConkyplease explain how it's a dumb idea to not include a division because you don't have enough teams to fill said division/divisionsCapSizeThe TL;DR is that UGC killed gold due to not enough gold and plat teams being readied up
That's one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.
The reason they killed gold is because they wanted to a Swiss System in Plat instead of a Round Robin and there weren't enough teams for Swiss they decided to completely kill gold to force a Swiss System
[quote=KonceptLegacy][quote=Conky][quote=CapSize]The TL;DR is that UGC killed gold due to not enough gold and plat teams being readied up[/quote]
That's one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.[/quote]
please explain how it's a dumb idea to not include a division because you don't have enough teams to fill said division/divisions[/quote]
The reason they killed gold is because they wanted to a Swiss System in Plat instead of a Round Robin and there weren't enough teams for Swiss they decided to completely kill gold to force a Swiss System
That's one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.[/quote]
please explain how it's a dumb idea to not include a division because you don't have enough teams to fill said division/divisions[/quote]
The reason they killed gold is because they wanted to a Swiss System in Plat instead of a Round Robin and there weren't enough teams for Swiss they decided to completely kill gold to force a Swiss System
From my outsider's perspective, if UGC dies it's because of lolhl, not the players.
From my outsider's perspective, if UGC dies it's because of lolhl, not the players.
Buncha willfully ignorant people posting, go figure.
It's a plan to strengthen the league because the top has been dying out for the last 7 seasons and nobody in gold ever moves up because they're afraid of the few actual good teams on plat.
The thought being that forcing a larger division and Swiss scheduling will mean you'll still play mostly teams at your own level while getting a taste of those much better. Therefore you get decent competition and hopefully learn faster by playing those better teams.
What also might happen is, after a season, some lower level teams will fold but consolidate into better teams, keeping the best players. This is what happened last time the league was in this format.
The only downsides are that you don't get a meaningless gold medal, and plat loses it's round robin format, which was utterly pointless anyway because we played 4 different game-modes (payload, a/d, koth, 5cp) per season so scheduling wasn't ever fair.
Logically the decision makes perfect sense. Realistically though it's not going to help because the only reason the top is dying is because fewer high level 6s players care anymore. If about 20-30 IM+ level players decided to play it'd be the golden age of Highlander. 6s is better though so this is their only move.
Buncha willfully ignorant people posting, go figure.
It's a plan to strengthen the league because the top has been dying out for the last 7 seasons and nobody in gold ever moves up because they're afraid of the few actual good teams on plat.
The thought being that forcing a larger division and Swiss scheduling will mean you'll still play mostly teams at your own level while getting a taste of those much better. Therefore you get decent competition and hopefully learn faster by playing those better teams.
What also might happen is, after a season, some lower level teams will fold but consolidate into better teams, keeping the best players. This is what happened last time the league was in this format.
The only downsides are that you don't get a meaningless gold medal, and plat loses it's round robin format, which was utterly pointless anyway because we played 4 different game-modes (payload, a/d, koth, 5cp) per season so scheduling wasn't ever fair.
Logically the decision makes perfect sense. Realistically though it's not going to help because the only reason the top is dying is because fewer high level 6s players care anymore. If about 20-30 IM+ level players decided to play it'd be the golden age of Highlander. 6s is better though so this is their only move.
It's a plan to strengthen the league because the top has been dying out for the last 7 seasons and nobody in gold ever moves up because they're afraid of the few actual good teams on plat.
The thought being that forcing a larger division and Swiss scheduling will mean you'll still play mostly teams at your own level while getting a taste of those much better. Therefore you get decent competition and hopefully learn faster by playing those better teams.
What also might happen is, after a season, some lower level teams will fold but consolidate into better teams, keeping the best players. This is what happened last time the league was in this format.
The only downsides are that you don't get a meaningless gold medal, and plat loses it's round robin format, which was utterly pointless anyway because we played 4 different game-modes (payload, a/d, koth, 5cp) per season so scheduling wasn't ever fair.
Logically the decision makes perfect sense. Realistically though it's not going to help because the only reason the top is dying is because fewer high level 6s players care anymore. If about 20-30 IM+ level players decided to play it'd be the golden age of Highlander. 6s is better though so this is their only move.
I think a lot of the resistance is due to people raging that their "prestigious" plat status is now shared with more people. It literally doesn't matter who is in your division after the first two weeks. I for one plan to win my first 2 matches and never play anyone but mid-high plat teams after that, and I could care less what's happening in low plat while I'm doing that
although on another hand, some of the teams they moved up to plat are hilariously underqualified to play against any half decent plat team which is pretty absurd. Thats pretty much my only gripe but its a big one
I think a lot of the resistance is due to people raging that their "prestigious" plat status is now shared with more people. It literally doesn't matter who is in your division after the first two weeks. I for one plan to win my first 2 matches and never play anyone but mid-high plat teams after that, and I could care less what's happening in low plat while I'm doing that
although on another hand, some of the teams they moved up to plat are hilariously underqualified to play against any half decent plat team which is pretty absurd. Thats pretty much my only gripe but its a big one
although on another hand, some of the teams they moved up to plat are hilariously underqualified to play against any half decent plat team which is pretty absurd. Thats pretty much my only gripe but its a big one
HueyLewisBuncha willfully ignorant people posting, go figure.
It's a plan to strengthen the league because the top has been dying out for the last 7 seasons and nobody in gold ever moves up because they're afraid of the few actual good teams on plat.
The thought being that forcing a larger division and Swiss scheduling will mean you'll still play mostly teams at your own level while getting a taste of those much better. Therefore you get decent competition and hopefully learn faster by playing those better teams.
What also might happen is, after a season, some lower level teams will fold but consolidate into better teams, keeping the best players. This is what happened last time the league was in this format.
The only downsides are that you don't get a meaningless gold medal, and plat loses it's round robin format, which was utterly pointless anyway because we played 4 different game-modes (payload, a/d, koth, 5cp) per season so scheduling wasn't ever fair.
Logically the decision makes perfect sense. Realistically though it's not going to help because the only reason the top is dying is because fewer high level 6s players care anymore. If about 20-30 IM+ level players decided to play it'd be the golden age of Highlander. 6s is better though so this is their only move.
I think the pants-on-head retarded decision making of Kumori is a pretty big reason that the league is dying. She's made so many wrong decisions over and over and over again it honestly is starting to feel intentional.
I don't think the league would have ever gotten to a point where this was necessary if someone who had any idea what the fuck they were doing was in charge.
[quote=HueyLewis]Buncha willfully ignorant people posting, go figure.
It's a plan to strengthen the league because the top has been dying out for the last 7 seasons and nobody in gold ever moves up because they're afraid of the few actual good teams on plat.
The thought being that forcing a larger division and Swiss scheduling will mean you'll still play mostly teams at your own level while getting a taste of those much better. Therefore you get decent competition and hopefully learn faster by playing those better teams.
What also might happen is, after a season, some lower level teams will fold but consolidate into better teams, keeping the best players. This is what happened last time the league was in this format.
The only downsides are that you don't get a meaningless gold medal, and plat loses it's round robin format, which was utterly pointless anyway because we played 4 different game-modes (payload, a/d, koth, 5cp) per season so scheduling wasn't ever fair.
Logically the decision makes perfect sense. Realistically though it's not going to help because the only reason the top is dying is because fewer high level 6s players care anymore. If about 20-30 IM+ level players decided to play it'd be the golden age of Highlander. 6s is better though so this is their only move.[/quote]
I think the pants-on-head retarded decision making of Kumori is a pretty big reason that the league is dying. She's made so many wrong decisions over and over and over again it honestly is starting to feel intentional.
I don't think the league would have ever gotten to a point where this was necessary if someone who had any idea what the fuck they were doing was in charge.
It's a plan to strengthen the league because the top has been dying out for the last 7 seasons and nobody in gold ever moves up because they're afraid of the few actual good teams on plat.
The thought being that forcing a larger division and Swiss scheduling will mean you'll still play mostly teams at your own level while getting a taste of those much better. Therefore you get decent competition and hopefully learn faster by playing those better teams.
What also might happen is, after a season, some lower level teams will fold but consolidate into better teams, keeping the best players. This is what happened last time the league was in this format.
The only downsides are that you don't get a meaningless gold medal, and plat loses it's round robin format, which was utterly pointless anyway because we played 4 different game-modes (payload, a/d, koth, 5cp) per season so scheduling wasn't ever fair.
Logically the decision makes perfect sense. Realistically though it's not going to help because the only reason the top is dying is because fewer high level 6s players care anymore. If about 20-30 IM+ level players decided to play it'd be the golden age of Highlander. 6s is better though so this is their only move.[/quote]
I think the pants-on-head retarded decision making of Kumori is a pretty big reason that the league is dying. She's made so many wrong decisions over and over and over again it honestly is starting to feel intentional.
I don't think the league would have ever gotten to a point where this was necessary if someone who had any idea what the fuck they were doing was in charge.
there's too many examples of weird moderation in tf2's history for anyone to reasonably say it can kill a league on its own, much less become a major reason for its demise
at its core, HL was getting choked out the second everyone realized valve would be logistically out of their minds to attempt HL matchmaking, and HL is the one reason it's a popular league. beyond that, you have 4s, which is wildly considered a joke format, and 6s, which is wildly considered an easy way to never touch 6s relevancy in ESEA, which is the NA 6s league that actually matters
there's too many examples of weird moderation in tf2's history for anyone to reasonably say it can kill a league on its own, much less become a major reason for its demise
at its core, HL was getting choked out the second everyone realized valve would be logistically out of their minds to attempt HL matchmaking, and HL is the one reason it's a popular league. beyond that, you have 4s, which is wildly considered a joke format, and 6s, which is wildly considered an easy way to never touch 6s relevancy in ESEA, which is the NA 6s league that actually matters
at its core, HL was getting choked out the second everyone realized valve would be logistically out of their minds to attempt HL matchmaking, and HL is the one reason it's a popular league. beyond that, you have 4s, which is wildly considered a joke format, and 6s, which is wildly considered an easy way to never touch 6s relevancy in ESEA, which is the NA 6s league that actually matters
saamI think the pants-on-head retarded decision making of Kumori is a pretty big reason that the league is dying. She's made so many wrong decisions over and over and over again it honestly is starting to feel intentional.
I don't think the league would have ever gotten to a point where this was necessary if someone who had any idea what the fuck they were doing was in charge.
[quote=saam]I think the pants-on-head retarded decision making of Kumori is a pretty big reason that the league is dying. She's made so many wrong decisions over and over and over again it honestly is starting to feel intentional.
I don't think the league would have ever gotten to a point where this was necessary if someone who had any idea what the fuck they were doing was in charge.[/quote]
http://www.strawpoll.me/10233329/r
I don't think the league would have ever gotten to a point where this was necessary if someone who had any idea what the fuck they were doing was in charge.[/quote]
http://www.strawpoll.me/10233329/r
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