I'm not discussing the policy itself. Just informing Crossfire that the deletion of his thread isn't evidence of anything other than the policy already in place.
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I'm not discussing the policy itself. Just informing Crossfire that the deletion of his thread isn't evidence of anything other than the policy already in place.
well, the deletion of the thread might only be evidence of the policy in place, but that policy was set by the same 2-3 idiots that decided the ban in the first place, a group of people who have total autonomy, and could easily keep such a policy simply because they don't like criticism of anything they do
executive privilege brah
well, the deletion of the thread might only be evidence of the policy in place, but that policy was set by the same 2-3 idiots that decided the ban in the first place, a group of people who have total autonomy, and could easily keep such a policy simply because they don't like criticism of anything they do
executive privilege brah
executive privilege brah
mustardoverlordthe ugc head admins are convinced that there's some sort of "circle jerk" here that keeps minusfragging all their posts and hating on them without reading them
in reality the majority of users here have never heard of them before, and it's because the real circlejerk is on the ugc forums, where those same admins have been the main posters for like 10 years, and thus they got used to not being called out every time they made dumb arguments not supported by logic and reason
I dont think I've called this a circlejerk and I'm also not getting minus fragged (cept the one where I insulted sdogg which was childish, this one might though haha). I'm on an esea-im team and rather enjoy 6's. Both HL and 6's have their merit. This has kind of strayed from topic a little. sdogg has a lot of great points that are valid as does mustardoverlord. We've made a lot of changes over the last 4 seasons in the right direction to being competitive. I think wrangler is one huge barrier that might take some time to be breeched. Invite limit was lifted and the vitasaw was banned this season. Those are two things that would be nice to get some focus on us actually listening......but there will sadly always be unhappiness. I apologize its not moving as quickly as needed. But as stated quite a bit, this game setting is currently very heavily built on new players. Some of those new teams really need that extra defense to even hold a point. As marisa posted, it could work to let plat/silver do a vote (or each vote). I'm not opposed to that and its been discussed. We will just give it another season. Bear with us
mustardoverlordin reality the majority of users here have never heard of them before[......]and thus they got used to not being called out every time they made dumb arguments not supported by logic and reason
I'd say I have a pretty good reputation and am fairly well known since I played back in the beta days with a good bit of the people that are still playing. You're generalizing. And maybe you are still new to those forums, but there's not a decision that goes by that its not argued over haha.
But again, we've made strides and hopefully they will be noticed this season.
[quote=mustardoverlord]the ugc head admins are convinced that there's some sort of "circle jerk" here that keeps minusfragging all their posts and hating on them without reading them
in reality the majority of users here have never heard of them before, and it's because the real circlejerk is on the ugc forums, where those same admins have been the main posters for like 10 years, and thus they got used to not being called out every time they made dumb arguments not supported by logic and reason[/quote]
I dont think I've called this a circlejerk and I'm also not getting minus fragged (cept the one where I insulted sdogg which was childish, this one might though haha). I'm on an esea-im team and rather enjoy 6's. Both HL and 6's have their merit. This has kind of strayed from topic a little. sdogg has a lot of great points that are valid as does mustardoverlord. We've made a lot of changes over the last 4 seasons in the right direction to being competitive. I think wrangler is one huge barrier that might take some time to be breeched. Invite limit was lifted and the vitasaw was banned this season. Those are two things that would be nice to get some focus on us actually listening......but there will sadly always be unhappiness. I apologize its not moving as quickly as needed. But as stated quite a bit, this game setting is currently very heavily built on new players. Some of those new teams really need that extra defense to even hold a point. As marisa posted, it could work to let plat/silver do a vote (or each vote). I'm not opposed to that and its been discussed. We will just give it another season. Bear with us
[quote=mustardoverlord]in reality the majority of users here have never heard of them before[......]and thus they got used to not being called out every time they made dumb arguments not supported by logic and reason[/quote]
I'd say I have a pretty good reputation and am fairly well known since I played back in the beta days with a good bit of the people that are still playing. You're generalizing. And maybe you are still new to those forums, but there's not a decision that goes by that its not argued over haha.
But again, we've made strides and hopefully they will be noticed this season.
in reality the majority of users here have never heard of them before, and it's because the real circlejerk is on the ugc forums, where those same admins have been the main posters for like 10 years, and thus they got used to not being called out every time they made dumb arguments not supported by logic and reason[/quote]
I dont think I've called this a circlejerk and I'm also not getting minus fragged (cept the one where I insulted sdogg which was childish, this one might though haha). I'm on an esea-im team and rather enjoy 6's. Both HL and 6's have their merit. This has kind of strayed from topic a little. sdogg has a lot of great points that are valid as does mustardoverlord. We've made a lot of changes over the last 4 seasons in the right direction to being competitive. I think wrangler is one huge barrier that might take some time to be breeched. Invite limit was lifted and the vitasaw was banned this season. Those are two things that would be nice to get some focus on us actually listening......but there will sadly always be unhappiness. I apologize its not moving as quickly as needed. But as stated quite a bit, this game setting is currently very heavily built on new players. Some of those new teams really need that extra defense to even hold a point. As marisa posted, it could work to let plat/silver do a vote (or each vote). I'm not opposed to that and its been discussed. We will just give it another season. Bear with us
[quote=mustardoverlord]in reality the majority of users here have never heard of them before[......]and thus they got used to not being called out every time they made dumb arguments not supported by logic and reason[/quote]
I'd say I have a pretty good reputation and am fairly well known since I played back in the beta days with a good bit of the people that are still playing. You're generalizing. And maybe you are still new to those forums, but there's not a decision that goes by that its not argued over haha.
But again, we've made strides and hopefully they will be noticed this season.
cosaOne of the admins made this review
Witch hunt has started. The admin that made that is no longer an admin and hasn't been for 2 seasons. How is this thread now about cheating?
[quote=cosa]One of the admins made this review[/quote]
Witch hunt has started. The admin that made that is no longer an admin and hasn't been for 2 seasons. How is this thread now about cheating?
Witch hunt has started. The admin that made that is no longer an admin and hasn't been for 2 seasons. How is this thread now about cheating?
Other admins backed it up though.
Although there were some that thought it was an awful idea.
Other admins backed it up though.
Although there were some that thought it was an awful idea.
Although there were some that thought it was an awful idea.
When you open up
infinite-Hildreth, I don't think your in the position of calling anyone arrogant.
There are different types of arrogance, there is arrogance at your own perceived greatness at playing video games and there is arrogance at your own perceived intelligence making you totally ignore other people's logical arguments and alienate the majority of your community with your condescending, patronizing and direspectful attitudes.
And this thread was aimed at the Wrangler unlock, an item the league I administrate allows and if you read what I said about it when I made an argument, I agreed with you Infinite about why the Wrangler shouldn't be banned but I didn't do it in a manner that antagonized people by being unreasonably defensive and shifting the discussion towards 6v6 unlock bans - which you always do I should add, you shift arguments made by someone into a totally different area of discussion in a way that affects their sensibilities. I remember I critisized the UGC unlock rule on the UGC forum and you turned it on an oppurtunity to criticize the ETF2L map pool which was at the time totally irrelevant, rather than make a contructive argument.
You should cease posting here and focus on your own website, I can't think of an admin in all of TF2 who has made their league seem as small minded, uninformed and poorly run as you have. I don't even think UGC is poorly run, but you give off the impression you have no idea what the fuck is going on in this game beyond your own small little world.
When you open up
[quote=infinite-]Hildreth, I don't think your in the position of calling anyone arrogant.[/quote]
There are different types of arrogance, there is arrogance at your own perceived greatness at playing video games and there is arrogance at your own perceived intelligence making you totally ignore other people's logical arguments and alienate the majority of your community with your condescending, patronizing and direspectful attitudes.
And this thread was aimed at the Wrangler unlock, an item the league I administrate allows and if you read what I said about it when I made an argument, I agreed with you Infinite about why the Wrangler shouldn't be banned but I didn't do it in a manner that antagonized people by being unreasonably defensive and shifting the discussion towards 6v6 unlock bans - which you always do I should add, you shift arguments made by someone into a totally different area of discussion in a way that affects their sensibilities. I remember I critisized the UGC unlock rule on the UGC forum and you turned it on an oppurtunity to criticize the ETF2L map pool which was at the time totally irrelevant, rather than make a contructive argument.
You should cease posting here and focus on your own website, I can't think of an admin in all of TF2 who has made their league seem as small minded, uninformed and poorly run as you have. I don't even think UGC is poorly run, but you give off the impression you have no idea what the fuck is going on in this game beyond your own small little world.
[quote=infinite-]Hildreth, I don't think your in the position of calling anyone arrogant.[/quote]
There are different types of arrogance, there is arrogance at your own perceived greatness at playing video games and there is arrogance at your own perceived intelligence making you totally ignore other people's logical arguments and alienate the majority of your community with your condescending, patronizing and direspectful attitudes.
And this thread was aimed at the Wrangler unlock, an item the league I administrate allows and if you read what I said about it when I made an argument, I agreed with you Infinite about why the Wrangler shouldn't be banned but I didn't do it in a manner that antagonized people by being unreasonably defensive and shifting the discussion towards 6v6 unlock bans - which you always do I should add, you shift arguments made by someone into a totally different area of discussion in a way that affects their sensibilities. I remember I critisized the UGC unlock rule on the UGC forum and you turned it on an oppurtunity to criticize the ETF2L map pool which was at the time totally irrelevant, rather than make a contructive argument.
You should cease posting here and focus on your own website, I can't think of an admin in all of TF2 who has made their league seem as small minded, uninformed and poorly run as you have. I don't even think UGC is poorly run, but you give off the impression you have no idea what the fuck is going on in this game beyond your own small little world.
That is true. It was an attempt to see what people really could or couldnt see. It had something to do with skins that are blocked with sv_pure 2. It was handled in such a way that the point was a bit pointless. It should have been done in a controlled environment. *shrug* I think the point was valid, but not the delivery.
That is true. It was an attempt to see what people really could or couldnt see. It had something to do with skins that are blocked with sv_pure 2. It was handled in such a way that the point was a bit pointless. It should have been done in a controlled environment. *shrug* I think the point was valid, but not the delivery.
mustardoverlordSalamancerThe UGC admins have already stated they won't discuss their cheat review process. Based on that policy, it's easy to understand why they would delete your thread.
the only reason they won't discuss their cheat review process is because their cheat review process is basically "infinite thinks someone hacks, bans them"
no, i've talked to one of the admins and their cheat review process is decent enough without having an actual anti-cheat client like esea. alot of hard work is put into banning players they don't just hand out bans to people they don't like (eg: im not banned).
[quote=mustardoverlord][quote=Salamancer]The UGC admins have already stated they won't discuss their cheat review process. Based on that policy, it's easy to understand why they would delete your thread.[/quote]
the only reason they won't discuss their cheat review process is because their cheat review process is basically "infinite thinks someone hacks, bans them"[/quote]
no, i've talked to one of the admins and their cheat review process is decent enough without having an actual anti-cheat client like esea. alot of hard work is put into banning players they don't just hand out bans to people they don't like (eg: im not banned).
the only reason they won't discuss their cheat review process is because their cheat review process is basically "infinite thinks someone hacks, bans them"[/quote]
no, i've talked to one of the admins and their cheat review process is decent enough without having an actual anti-cheat client like esea. alot of hard work is put into banning players they don't just hand out bans to people they don't like (eg: im not banned).
HildrethWhen you open upinfinite-Hildreth, I don't think your in the position of calling anyone arrogant.
There are different types of arrogance, there is arrogance at your own perceived greatness at playing video games and there is arrogance at your own perceived intelligence making you totally ignore other people's logical arguments and alienate the majority of your community with your condescending, patronizing and direspectful attitudes.
And this thread was aimed at the Wrangler unlock, an item the league I administrate allows and if you read what I said about it when I made an argument, I agreed with you Infinite about why the Wrangler shouldn't be banned but I didn't do it in a manner that antagonized people by being unreasonably defensive and shifting the discussion towards 6v6 unlock bans - which you always do I should add, you shift arguments made by someone into a totally different area of discussion in a way that affects their sensibilities. I remember I critisized the UGC unlock rule on the UGC forum and you turned it on an oppurtunity to criticize the ETF2L map pool which was at the time totally irrelevant, rather than make a contructive argument.
You should cease posting here and focus on your own website, I can't think of an admin in all of TF2 who has made their league seem as small minded, uninformed and poorly run as you have. I don't even think UGC is poorly run, but you give off the impression you have no idea what the fuck is going on in this game beyond your own small little world.
[quote=Hildreth]When you open up
[quote=infinite-]Hildreth, I don't think your in the position of calling anyone arrogant.[/quote]
There are different types of arrogance, there is arrogance at your own perceived greatness at playing video games and there is arrogance at your own perceived intelligence making you totally ignore other people's logical arguments and alienate the majority of your community with your condescending, patronizing and direspectful attitudes.
And this thread was aimed at the Wrangler unlock, an item the league I administrate allows and if you read what I said about it when I made an argument, I agreed with you Infinite about why the Wrangler shouldn't be banned but I didn't do it in a manner that antagonized people by being unreasonably defensive and shifting the discussion towards 6v6 unlock bans - which you always do I should add, you shift arguments made by someone into a totally different area of discussion in a way that affects their sensibilities. I remember I critisized the UGC unlock rule on the UGC forum and you turned it on an oppurtunity to criticize the ETF2L map pool which was at the time totally irrelevant, rather than make a contructive argument.
You should cease posting here and focus on your own website, I can't think of an admin in all of TF2 who has made their league seem as small minded, uninformed and poorly run as you have. I don't even think UGC is poorly run, but you give off the impression you have no idea what the fuck is going on in this game beyond your own small little world.[/quote]
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[quote=infinite-]Hildreth, I don't think your in the position of calling anyone arrogant.[/quote]
There are different types of arrogance, there is arrogance at your own perceived greatness at playing video games and there is arrogance at your own perceived intelligence making you totally ignore other people's logical arguments and alienate the majority of your community with your condescending, patronizing and direspectful attitudes.
And this thread was aimed at the Wrangler unlock, an item the league I administrate allows and if you read what I said about it when I made an argument, I agreed with you Infinite about why the Wrangler shouldn't be banned but I didn't do it in a manner that antagonized people by being unreasonably defensive and shifting the discussion towards 6v6 unlock bans - which you always do I should add, you shift arguments made by someone into a totally different area of discussion in a way that affects their sensibilities. I remember I critisized the UGC unlock rule on the UGC forum and you turned it on an oppurtunity to criticize the ETF2L map pool which was at the time totally irrelevant, rather than make a contructive argument.
You should cease posting here and focus on your own website, I can't think of an admin in all of TF2 who has made their league seem as small minded, uninformed and poorly run as you have. I don't even think UGC is poorly run, but you give off the impression you have no idea what the fuck is going on in this game beyond your own small little world.[/quote]
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_42w5-R0zz2g/SizxbSHI0nI/AAAAAAAAHck/rp7RqW77DRA/s400/Dwight%2BHoward%2BDunks%2BOn%2BKobe%2BBryant.jpg
wrangler has auto-aim doesn't it, not sure how this is an argument
wrangler has auto-aim doesn't it, not sure how this is an argument
heinmustardoverlordthe ugc head admins are convinced that there's some sort of "circle jerk" here that keeps minusfragging all their posts and hating on them without reading them
in reality the majority of users here have never heard of them before, and it's because the real circlejerk is on the ugc forums, where those same admins have been the main posters for like 10 years, and thus they got used to not being called out every time they made dumb arguments not supported by logic and reason
I dont think I've called this a circlejerk and I'm also not getting minus fragged (cept the one where I insulted sdogg which was childish, this one might though haha). I'm on an esea-im team and rather enjoy 6's. Both HL and 6's have their merit. This has kind of strayed from topic a little. sdogg has a lot of great points that are valid as does mustardoverlord. We've made a lot of changes over the last 4 seasons in the right direction to being competitive. I think wrangler is one huge barrier that might take some time to be breeched. Invite limit was lifted and the vitasaw was banned this season. Those are two things that would be nice to get some focus on us actually listening......but there will sadly always be unhappiness. I apologize its not moving as quickly as needed. But as stated quite a bit, this game setting is currently very heavily built on new players. Some of those new teams really need that extra defense to even hold a point. As marisa posted, it could work to let plat/silver do a vote (or each vote). I'm not opposed to that and its been discussed. We will just give it another season. Bear with us
mustardoverlordin reality the majority of users here have never heard of them before[......]and thus they got used to not being called out every time they made dumb arguments not supported by logic and reason
I'd say I have a pretty good reputation and am fairly well known since I played back in the beta days with a good bit of the people that are still playing. You're generalizing. And maybe you are still new to those forums, but there's not a decision that goes by that its not argued over haha.
But again, we've made strides and hopefully they will be noticed this season.
I should clarify that my post was still 90% directed at infinite, you've at least TRIED to make logical arguments
[quote=hein][quote=mustardoverlord]the ugc head admins are convinced that there's some sort of "circle jerk" here that keeps minusfragging all their posts and hating on them without reading them
in reality the majority of users here have never heard of them before, and it's because the real circlejerk is on the ugc forums, where those same admins have been the main posters for like 10 years, and thus they got used to not being called out every time they made dumb arguments not supported by logic and reason[/quote]
I dont think I've called this a circlejerk and I'm also not getting minus fragged (cept the one where I insulted sdogg which was childish, this one might though haha). I'm on an esea-im team and rather enjoy 6's. Both HL and 6's have their merit. This has kind of strayed from topic a little. sdogg has a lot of great points that are valid as does mustardoverlord. We've made a lot of changes over the last 4 seasons in the right direction to being competitive. I think wrangler is one huge barrier that might take some time to be breeched. Invite limit was lifted and the vitasaw was banned this season. Those are two things that would be nice to get some focus on us actually listening......but there will sadly always be unhappiness. I apologize its not moving as quickly as needed. But as stated quite a bit, this game setting is currently very heavily built on new players. Some of those new teams really need that extra defense to even hold a point. As marisa posted, it could work to let plat/silver do a vote (or each vote). I'm not opposed to that and its been discussed. We will just give it another season. Bear with us
[quote=mustardoverlord]in reality the majority of users here have never heard of them before[......]and thus they got used to not being called out every time they made dumb arguments not supported by logic and reason[/quote]
I'd say I have a pretty good reputation and am fairly well known since I played back in the beta days with a good bit of the people that are still playing. You're generalizing. And maybe you are still new to those forums, but there's not a decision that goes by that its not argued over haha.
But again, we've made strides and hopefully they will be noticed this season.[/quote]
I should clarify that my post was still 90% directed at infinite, you've at least TRIED to make logical arguments
in reality the majority of users here have never heard of them before, and it's because the real circlejerk is on the ugc forums, where those same admins have been the main posters for like 10 years, and thus they got used to not being called out every time they made dumb arguments not supported by logic and reason[/quote]
I dont think I've called this a circlejerk and I'm also not getting minus fragged (cept the one where I insulted sdogg which was childish, this one might though haha). I'm on an esea-im team and rather enjoy 6's. Both HL and 6's have their merit. This has kind of strayed from topic a little. sdogg has a lot of great points that are valid as does mustardoverlord. We've made a lot of changes over the last 4 seasons in the right direction to being competitive. I think wrangler is one huge barrier that might take some time to be breeched. Invite limit was lifted and the vitasaw was banned this season. Those are two things that would be nice to get some focus on us actually listening......but there will sadly always be unhappiness. I apologize its not moving as quickly as needed. But as stated quite a bit, this game setting is currently very heavily built on new players. Some of those new teams really need that extra defense to even hold a point. As marisa posted, it could work to let plat/silver do a vote (or each vote). I'm not opposed to that and its been discussed. We will just give it another season. Bear with us
[quote=mustardoverlord]in reality the majority of users here have never heard of them before[......]and thus they got used to not being called out every time they made dumb arguments not supported by logic and reason[/quote]
I'd say I have a pretty good reputation and am fairly well known since I played back in the beta days with a good bit of the people that are still playing. You're generalizing. And maybe you are still new to those forums, but there's not a decision that goes by that its not argued over haha.
But again, we've made strides and hopefully they will be noticed this season.[/quote]
I should clarify that my post was still 90% directed at infinite, you've at least TRIED to make logical arguments
Hildreth: I could easily go back over the past two years and quote numerous rude and arrogant posts you've made on our forums and your own leagues' forums but theres really no point. What you call arrogance is me conveying my PERSONAL opinion about how competitive TF2 has evolved over time. If you want to get your feelings hurt and blow things out of proportion, and say my opinions are somehow related to UGC's official policy thats your deal. We've got 19 admins who all have different opinions on how things should be run and ask any one of them, all their voices are heard on things like weapon bans, maps, cheaters, etc.
My opinion, no matter how unpopular, of how competitive TF2 has evolved over time directly relates to the wrangler ban because it is just one example of the numerous game content bans (weapons, items, classes) exhibited in 6v6 which I PERSONALLY believe has limited it's potential. While people are crying foul and telling me I make the league look bad for expressing my opinions they still ignore my simple questions. Why are things the way they are? Why does the majority of TF2 players feel 6v6 is unapproachable? Why has there been a huge decline in ESEA 6v6 teams?
As someone mentioned before, our 6v6 league has accepted ESEA's ban list even though it was my PERSONAL opinion not to copy everything ESEA does. The majority of our 6s admins wanted to do it and it was done. I believe inter-league consistency is a good thing though UGC still has to maintain it's individuality. Thus, to imply UGC is some dictatorship is so completely false it makes me laugh and realize haters are going to hate no matter what is done.
Hildreth: I could easily go back over the past two years and quote numerous rude and arrogant posts you've made on our forums and your own leagues' forums but theres really no point. What you call arrogance is me conveying my PERSONAL opinion about how competitive TF2 has evolved over time. If you want to get your feelings hurt and blow things out of proportion, and say my opinions are somehow related to UGC's official policy thats your deal. We've got 19 admins who all have different opinions on how things should be run and ask any one of them, all their voices are heard on things like weapon bans, maps, cheaters, etc.
My opinion, no matter how unpopular, of how competitive TF2 has evolved over time directly relates to the wrangler ban because it is just one example of the numerous game content bans (weapons, items, classes) exhibited in 6v6 which I PERSONALLY believe has limited it's potential. While people are crying foul and telling me I make the league look bad for expressing my opinions they still ignore my simple questions. Why are things the way they are? Why does the majority of TF2 players feel 6v6 is unapproachable? Why has there been a [b]huge[/b] decline in ESEA 6v6 teams?
As someone mentioned before, our 6v6 league has accepted ESEA's ban list even though it was my PERSONAL opinion not to copy everything ESEA does. The majority of our 6s admins wanted to do it and it was done. I believe inter-league consistency is a good thing though UGC still has to maintain it's individuality. Thus, to imply UGC is some dictatorship is so completely false it makes me laugh and realize haters are going to hate no matter what is done.
My opinion, no matter how unpopular, of how competitive TF2 has evolved over time directly relates to the wrangler ban because it is just one example of the numerous game content bans (weapons, items, classes) exhibited in 6v6 which I PERSONALLY believe has limited it's potential. While people are crying foul and telling me I make the league look bad for expressing my opinions they still ignore my simple questions. Why are things the way they are? Why does the majority of TF2 players feel 6v6 is unapproachable? Why has there been a [b]huge[/b] decline in ESEA 6v6 teams?
As someone mentioned before, our 6v6 league has accepted ESEA's ban list even though it was my PERSONAL opinion not to copy everything ESEA does. The majority of our 6s admins wanted to do it and it was done. I believe inter-league consistency is a good thing though UGC still has to maintain it's individuality. Thus, to imply UGC is some dictatorship is so completely false it makes me laugh and realize haters are going to hate no matter what is done.
It's pretty fucking obvious why there has been a decline in ESEA 6v6 teams. low open teams were tired of getting their shit stomped by more experienced teams and UGC 6v6 finally got non shit admins with non shitty rules for the newer teams to not go 0-16 while paying 20 dollars.
It's pretty fucking obvious why there has been a decline in ESEA 6v6 teams. low open teams were tired of getting their shit stomped by more experienced teams and UGC 6v6 finally got non shit admins with non shitty rules for the newer teams to not go 0-16 while paying 20 dollars.
infinite-Why are things the way they are? Why does the majority of TF2 players feel 6v6 is unapproachable? Why has there been a huge decline in ESEA 6v6 teams?
why are you so dense?
we have told you MULTIPLE times that that isnt true! Last season was one of the biggest turn outs for all of 6v6. This season is smaller because its s summer season, less people have the time, school is starting, and people just cant commit to scrimming every night like they were last season. You think that 6s is unapproachable? theres tf2lobby, newbie mixes, tf2.pug, tf2.pug.na, and in house pugs all the time. how on earth is it unapproachable? theres even the free MGE playlist on youtube, giving tips and advice for players entering 6s
im so mad that you're an admin
[quote=infinite-]Why are things the way they are? Why does the majority of TF2 players feel 6v6 is unapproachable? Why has there been a [b]huge[/b] decline in ESEA 6v6 teams?
[/quote]
why are you so dense?
we have told you MULTIPLE times that that isnt true! Last season was one of the biggest turn outs for all of 6v6. This season is smaller because its s summer season, less people have the time, school is starting, and people just cant commit to scrimming every night like they were last season. You think that 6s is unapproachable? theres tf2lobby, newbie mixes, tf2.pug, tf2.pug.na, and in house pugs all the time. how on earth is it unapproachable? theres even the free MGE playlist on youtube, giving tips and advice for players entering 6s
im so mad that you're an admin
[/quote]
why are you so dense?
we have told you MULTIPLE times that that isnt true! Last season was one of the biggest turn outs for all of 6v6. This season is smaller because its s summer season, less people have the time, school is starting, and people just cant commit to scrimming every night like they were last season. You think that 6s is unapproachable? theres tf2lobby, newbie mixes, tf2.pug, tf2.pug.na, and in house pugs all the time. how on earth is it unapproachable? theres even the free MGE playlist on youtube, giving tips and advice for players entering 6s
im so mad that you're an admin
im so mad that you're an admin
lol don't get so mad man, it's just an unpopular opinion don't take it personal. I've always been one to challenge the establishment to look at itself objectively.
OK I grant you that there are some seasons bigger than others, UGC experiences that as well but a 38% decline between this season and last is huge. But what about the overall size? Last season was the largest season yet and you barely crested 100 teams. That's probably a little over 800-1000 players. An extremely small percentage. You can make all the lobbies, newbie mixes, pugs, and youtube videos you want. IF the format itself alienates a huge percentage of people who play the game then that hard work does not have nearly the affect it should. All the full time spies, heavies, engineers, snipers, pyros basically have to learn to play scout or soldier if they want to play 6v6. That's all I'm saying. The decisions made over the years have made 6s very difficult for the average pub player to get into. They have to sacrifice a lot to even start.
[quote]im so mad that you're an admin[/quote]
lol don't get so mad man, it's just an unpopular opinion don't take it personal. I've always been one to challenge the establishment to look at itself objectively.
OK I grant you that there are some seasons bigger than others, UGC experiences that as well but a 38% decline between this season and last is huge. But what about the overall size? Last season was the largest season yet and you barely crested 100 teams. That's probably a little over 800-1000 players. An extremely small percentage. You can make all the lobbies, newbie mixes, pugs, and youtube videos you want. IF the format itself alienates a huge percentage of people who play the game then that hard work does not have nearly the affect it should. All the full time spies, heavies, engineers, snipers, pyros basically have to learn to play scout or soldier if they want to play 6v6. That's all I'm saying. The decisions made over the years have made 6s very difficult for the average pub player to get into. They have to sacrifice a lot to even start.
lol don't get so mad man, it's just an unpopular opinion don't take it personal. I've always been one to challenge the establishment to look at itself objectively.
OK I grant you that there are some seasons bigger than others, UGC experiences that as well but a 38% decline between this season and last is huge. But what about the overall size? Last season was the largest season yet and you barely crested 100 teams. That's probably a little over 800-1000 players. An extremely small percentage. You can make all the lobbies, newbie mixes, pugs, and youtube videos you want. IF the format itself alienates a huge percentage of people who play the game then that hard work does not have nearly the affect it should. All the full time spies, heavies, engineers, snipers, pyros basically have to learn to play scout or soldier if they want to play 6v6. That's all I'm saying. The decisions made over the years have made 6s very difficult for the average pub player to get into. They have to sacrifice a lot to even start.
the top of the pyramid is always the smallest
6v6, and specifically esea 6v6, has a higher skill level than any ugc league. marxist, the head ugc 6s admin, has accepted this and has (very successfully) tried to turn ugc 6s into a transitional league for newer teams, the "base" that feeds into open
there's nothing wrong with the most prestigious league having the fewest teams, that's like saying "lol invite only has 8 teams so invite tf2 is dead"
the top of the pyramid is always the smallest
6v6, and specifically esea 6v6, has a higher skill level than any ugc league. marxist, the head ugc 6s admin, has accepted this and has (very successfully) tried to turn ugc 6s into a transitional league for newer teams, the "base" that feeds into open
there's nothing wrong with the most prestigious league having the fewest teams, that's like saying "lol invite only has 8 teams so invite tf2 is dead"
6v6, and specifically esea 6v6, has a higher skill level than any ugc league. marxist, the head ugc 6s admin, has accepted this and has (very successfully) tried to turn ugc 6s into a transitional league for newer teams, the "base" that feeds into open
there's nothing wrong with the most prestigious league having the fewest teams, that's like saying "lol invite only has 8 teams so invite tf2 is dead"
Additionally, UGC leagues are free. There are a number of teams each season that signed up, but dont show up for games (in steel, my team had at least 1 win a season this way). There are also countless other teams that dont really scrim, and basically just show up for the game every week. They wouldnt join a paid league to dick around like that.
Additionally, UGC leagues are free. There are a number of teams each season that signed up, but dont show up for games (in steel, my team had at least 1 win a season this way). There are also countless other teams that dont really scrim, and basically just show up for the game every week. They wouldnt join a paid league to dick around like that.
6v6, and specifically esea 6v6, has a higher skill level than any ugc league. marxist, the head ugc 6s admin, has accepted this and has (very successfully) tried to turn ugc 6s into a transitional league for newer teams, the "base" that feeds into open
I am certainly glad both leagues can work a little closer together because regardless of whether folks agree with my view on rules or not, we all share the same goal of keeping competitive TF2 alive. UGC has certainly helped supplying new teams to ESEA by providing a free to play atmosphere initially and those who want a more intense pay-to-play model can move to ESEA. It would be nice to see some ESEA teams move over to UGC and help us out as well. Maybe both leagues can benefit from working together.
Inter league consistency is definitely a good thing, as well as the standardization of rule sets. While I do not agree with all the bans, I do acknowledge that ESEA 6s has been around longer and is the "established" way to play 6v6 TF2. Though I still believe (personal opinion) that the class limits and weapon bans have hampered its potential growth over the years. It would be nice if some of the weapons/items which make off classes more viable could be tried in an "experimental" cup or something.
[quote]6v6, and specifically esea 6v6, has a higher skill level than any ugc league. marxist, the head ugc 6s admin, has accepted this and has (very successfully) tried to turn ugc 6s into a transitional league for newer teams, the "base" that feeds into open[/quote]
I am certainly glad both leagues can work a little closer together because regardless of whether folks agree with my view on rules or not, we all share the same goal of keeping competitive TF2 alive. UGC has certainly helped supplying new teams to ESEA by providing a free to play atmosphere initially and those who want a more intense pay-to-play model can move to ESEA. It would be nice to see some ESEA teams move over to UGC and help us out as well. Maybe both leagues can benefit from working together.
Inter league consistency is definitely a good thing, as well as the standardization of rule sets. While I do not agree with all the bans, I do acknowledge that ESEA 6s has been around longer and is the "established" way to play 6v6 TF2. Though I still believe (personal opinion) that the class limits and weapon bans have hampered its potential growth over the years. It would be nice if some of the weapons/items which make off classes more viable could be tried in an "experimental" cup or something.
I am certainly glad both leagues can work a little closer together because regardless of whether folks agree with my view on rules or not, we all share the same goal of keeping competitive TF2 alive. UGC has certainly helped supplying new teams to ESEA by providing a free to play atmosphere initially and those who want a more intense pay-to-play model can move to ESEA. It would be nice to see some ESEA teams move over to UGC and help us out as well. Maybe both leagues can benefit from working together.
Inter league consistency is definitely a good thing, as well as the standardization of rule sets. While I do not agree with all the bans, I do acknowledge that ESEA 6s has been around longer and is the "established" way to play 6v6 TF2. Though I still believe (personal opinion) that the class limits and weapon bans have hampered its potential growth over the years. It would be nice if some of the weapons/items which make off classes more viable could be tried in an "experimental" cup or something.
I wonder what's more brutal, 1 wrangled sentry in HL, or 2 engy's in 6's (non-wrangler). Such strategies in 6's (especially gravelpit) can open up teams to some pretty radical setups. Hard to prepare against that. med/demo/sold/2 eng/hw is a tough egg to crack on gpit.
I wonder what's more brutal, 1 wrangled sentry in HL, or 2 engy's in 6's (non-wrangler). Such strategies in 6's (especially gravelpit) can open up teams to some pretty radical setups. Hard to prepare against that. med/demo/sold/2 eng/hw is a tough egg to crack on gpit.
infinite-lol don't get so mad man, it's just an unpopular opinion don't take it personal. I've always been one to challenge the establishment to look at itself objectively.
HAHA HOLY SHIT. are you serious? you're trolling right? nobody can be this egotistical. you aren't some savior or the hero tf2 needs. you are just an idiot.
[quote=infinite-]lol don't get so mad man, it's just an unpopular opinion don't take it personal. I've always been one to challenge the establishment to look at itself objectively.[/quote]
HAHA HOLY SHIT. are you serious? you're trolling right? nobody can be this egotistical. you aren't some savior or the hero tf2 needs. you are just an idiot.
HAHA HOLY SHIT. are you serious? you're trolling right? nobody can be this egotistical. you aren't some savior or the hero tf2 needs. you are just an idiot.
infinite-My opinion, no matter how unpopular, of how competitive TF2 has evolved over time directly relates to the wrangler ban because it is just one example of the numerous game content bans (weapons, items, classes) exhibited in 6v6 which I PERSONALLY believe has limited it's potential. While people are crying foul and telling me I make the league look bad for expressing my opinions they still ignore my simple questions.
By posting your opinions to the competitive player base as a known head admin of the UGC league, you are representing UGC league at all times. You can claim that some opinions are personal, but even personal opinions still reflect on you and your management of UGC.
The conversation that you are fostering here does nothing but encourage anger and resentment towards you from many of the elite players here. Whether you feel it's fair to associate your opinions with UGC or not, that's what the players here will do. If you want the league to appear more professional, your personal opinions need to go into hiding or be expressed much more diplomatically. Trying to make such a large change to your reputation will, of course, take time but if you want the league to be taken more seriously here, the first step towards that reputation is to stop posting in this thread.
[quote=infinite-]My opinion, no matter how unpopular, of how competitive TF2 has evolved over time directly relates to the wrangler ban because it is just one example of the numerous game content bans (weapons, items, classes) exhibited in 6v6 which I PERSONALLY believe has limited it's potential. While people are crying foul and telling me I make the league look bad for expressing my opinions they still ignore my simple questions. [/quote]
By posting your opinions to the competitive player base as a known head admin of the UGC league, you are representing UGC league [i]at all times[/i]. You can claim that some opinions are personal, but even personal opinions still reflect on you and your management of UGC.
The conversation that you are fostering here does nothing but encourage anger and resentment towards you from many of the elite players here. Whether you feel it's fair to associate your opinions with UGC or not, that's what the players here will do. If you want the league to appear more professional, your personal opinions need to go into hiding or be expressed much more diplomatically. Trying to make such a large change to your reputation will, of course, take time but if you want the league to be taken more seriously here, the first step towards that reputation is to stop posting in this thread.
By posting your opinions to the competitive player base as a known head admin of the UGC league, you are representing UGC league [i]at all times[/i]. You can claim that some opinions are personal, but even personal opinions still reflect on you and your management of UGC.
The conversation that you are fostering here does nothing but encourage anger and resentment towards you from many of the elite players here. Whether you feel it's fair to associate your opinions with UGC or not, that's what the players here will do. If you want the league to appear more professional, your personal opinions need to go into hiding or be expressed much more diplomatically. Trying to make such a large change to your reputation will, of course, take time but if you want the league to be taken more seriously here, the first step towards that reputation is to stop posting in this thread.
truktrukI'm a terrible admin and UGC is the most ghetto site in the world.Yeah pretty much. Maybe this site can host a Highlander league eventually, run by people that know what the hell is going on.
Hi I'm OtakuScott
http://teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/447-north-american-tf2-6s-highlander-tournament
[quote=truktruk]
[quote]I'm a terrible admin and UGC is the most ghetto site in the world.[/quote]
Yeah pretty much. Maybe this site can host a Highlander league eventually, run by people that know what the hell is going on.[/quote]
Hi I'm OtakuScott
http://teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/447-north-american-tf2-6s-highlander-tournament
[quote]I'm a terrible admin and UGC is the most ghetto site in the world.[/quote]
Yeah pretty much. Maybe this site can host a Highlander league eventually, run by people that know what the hell is going on.[/quote]
Hi I'm OtakuScott
http://teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/447-north-american-tf2-6s-highlander-tournament
Did this argument ever come up with the Equalizer? Yes, the wrangler is strong, and promotes generally less skillful play. But the pre-nerf equalizer could have been given the same argument.
Did this argument ever come up with the Equalizer? Yes, the wrangler is strong, and promotes generally less skillful play. But the pre-nerf equalizer could have been given the same argument.
It did, yes. A lot of competitive players were wishing the two buffs would be separated to two different weapons for quite a while, iirc.
It did, yes. A lot of competitive players were wishing the two buffs would be separated to two different weapons for quite a while, iirc.
A couple months ago I was fancying the idea of having a charge on it, where as it took damage or you fired with it, it lost energy and it had to replenish over time.
A couple months ago I was fancying the idea of having a charge on it, where as it took damage or you fired with it, it lost energy and it had to replenish over time.
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