My favorite are the posts where I honestly can't tell if it's serious or trolling.

heh

I like how you go into that admin conversation with the idea of posting it publicly. You get mad about that dude bringing up stuff in a personal conversation, not because it's irrelevant, but because it 'makes you look bad'

Even if they are terribad at explaining requirements this whole thing is just the least classy post ever.

On the flip side, last season the team I took over (A Tin Team) was no longer platinum material, so I requested to be moved down to Silver and we were moved down despite making the team numbers in both plat and silver odd (meaning a bye week every week)

DEVIL'S ADVOCATE TIME

I still feel that your solution would've been to make a new team rather than rename an already existing team. It's not hard to make a new team, and you would've had both a new ELO and no existing record. I'm not a league administrator, but their taking into account your past season is a reasonable, though I disagree with their stubbornness in not letting you be moved down. Additionally, the other teams in gold that you're pointing as "Well they should be in plat too then" is missing their logic while screaming that they're missing yours, which is kind of sad. Their logic is consistent.

To elaborate, those teams you're pointing out (with the exception of .) all are clearly stated to be in gold because of their previous record. Your team is in platinum based on your previous record. This is all stated here. Specifically:

This implies the only teams that moved down from Platinum last season are teams with losing records, which Squirrel Clickers didn't have. Again, a new team would've solved this issue and it's likely you would've been placed in gold.

I don't agree with their rigid stance on divisions and personally feel it should be more tailor-made for each team to ensure they're having fun, but they ARE being consistent.

I feel like the admins refuse to move your team down because they wanted a certain number of plat teams and didn't think they could find a team to replace yours if you moved down so they made your team be the fall guys

rofl

When I made my post, I honestly didn't care that my post wasn't going to be classy. I wasn't trying to make myself look good here; I was trying to make UGC "look bad" by showing that UGC was wrong and unprofessional with how they dealt with our situation, even if that means I'm going to be un-classy and post private chats and whatnot.

And responding to rawrspoon regarding making a new team, I doubt that would have made a difference because the UGC admins hold a grudge against certain members of our team. Actually, I think in one of the chats I posted, they said if I made a new team it wouldn't have made a difference. Too lazy to check through them again.

Even if making "a new team" would've placed us in gold, that's such a stupid technicality.

Also, with what rawrspoon said about his team being allowed into silver; this proves UGC is terribly inconsistent with dealing with division requests.

GG WE WON IN 5min

oya ugc admins if u be reading this use http://steamidfinder.com to make sure im not an alias

It actually seems that they're much MORE consistent dealing with division requests this season than last, as they ARE adhering to strict guidelines. Again, I disagree with their stance with adhering to strict guidelines when it comes to divisions, but they ARE consistent and set in stone. As to why making a new team wouldn't make a difference at this point, it's because you've already defeated your own cause by bringing massive amounts of attention to this situation which has caused multiple admins to shut down your request. The admins would definitely notice if you made a new team with all the same players, and would treat it as the same team as last season.

And really, if you want to make a good post against UGC, make logical, well informed arguments rather than fling shit and try to start fights in order to get people to join your cause. There's many flaws with UGC, I'm not saying it's anywhere near perfect, but of the many ways to deal with this issue you chose the worst.

I tried dealing with this issue internally for over a month. There's a tipping point that compelled me to make all this public. And I disagree that you think my argument is illogical.
And it's not really their strict guidelines that bother me; it's that when I asked the admins "What can I do to be put in Gold" over a month ago, I was never informed that it wouldn't happen simply because of the whole previous record rule. But they pull this technicality on me AFTER they made their decision, not before when I asked admins numerous times about our team. If I had been told that our previous record would have been an issue, I could have just created a "new team" page and avoided all this.

my plan is to have a losing record in gold to be moved down to silver, and then have a losing record in silver to be put in steel, and then i'll be ready to have fun. so far its going well.

plat needed 16 teams

you were the 16th team

:(

Wow. I suddenly understand why the first thing that admin asked you was your age.

My problem with you is that you aren't trying to resolve your problem. You're talking to him with the clear intention of hoping he fucks up so that when you post it here you have more 'evidence' of how shitty they are. You weren't mad because they were 'unprofessional' you were mad because brought up something that 'made you look bad'.

The reason this thing CONTINUES to be not classy is because in the ugc forums you apologize for bringing it into this forum, but this post is still here. I don't even know what the point of your life is at this point. It's like talking behind someone's back but not realizing they can hear you. And then once you realize they can indeed hear you, you tell them sorry while turning to your main audience and stage whispering 'NO i'M NOT.'

I think it's pretty clear inf and redrum weren't interested in resolving his problem.

I don't see what is unclassy about shedding some light on how UGC handles division changes. What is unclassy is the tone of disdain and contempt from redrum and inf (not from moose though, <3 you moose).

somebody has to be spacebots/AI

To think that we are in the same division with people that actually earned it. At this point, I think it's a free win and almost an insult to everyone who has to play us.

But please, to anyone who writes a prediction for Platinum: TAKE US SERIOUSLY. I WANT WORDS ON PAPER.

after spending 4 years playing heavy in pubs and strat calling intense 12v12 games. It makes me sick to see you just get into plat for free. Was my 3000 hours of pub pyro all for nothing?.............feels like it......

http://www.twitch.tv/kacekacekacekace/c/1857371

VOD of Match.

This post stopped being about trying to resolve his problem a long time ago, so your point is entirely irrelevant. The reason he put this post is here to advertise about how crappy the UGC administration/organization is.

UGC is a business, it offers the service of a TF2 HL league that is reasonably well established. Players go to UGC since they offer that service. Now just like in the real world if the people that work for that business screw you and don't resolve your problem, what do you do? Sit there and don't say anything about their poor service so people keep going to them even though they are awful? No, you complain about how bad they are so people don't use them and either a) they go to another alternative(which currently there isn't which is why UGC admins can be such idiots) or b) don't use them and force them to change.

Please learn things about life before you bring class into a customer service issue

omit me from the original post.
round1 pre-season match -

http://i.imgur.com/4AiaedU.gif

/rusty
/forever steel

What's illogical is that you're claiming X and Y teams shouldn't be in gold if you're in platinum because they beat you, but there's clear indication as to why both your team is in platinum while others are in gold. You're screaming that admins don't get your logic while you aren't following theirs, which is all kinds of silly.

I really don't like having to keep standing up for the UGC admins, so I'm pretty much done trying to explain their logic.

I will say though, the "16 teams in platinum" deal is likely also a reason which I had completely forgotten about. For some inane reason, the admins want 16 teams for playoffs and no less even though there's double elimination playoffs this season. It's shit like this that makes me uncomfortable having to play devil's advocate, as I disagree with lots of the shit they do :X

Avast sums up exactly my intentions with this thread. /thread

Whatever, at least we can emulate the UGC admin attitude and act all high and mighty cause we are baller plat players

Fucking gold plebeians

My team is in the same boat, we came in second in UGC Steel last season and now we are placed in gold after we had half our team leave and the other half are busy with school most of the time. We requested to get moved into Silver, but they won't have that at all. Very frustrated with the situation.

It's the whole "record history" thing they are basing their entire argument on when they choose not to move teams. They won't consider massive roster overhauls simply because of whatever record the team had last season.

If you guys actually win a match during playoffs you need to put together all of the vods and make an inspirational e-sports movie about hard work and dedication.

^^
Would definitely pay for that

Updated original post to be more concise.

Here's some threads that showcase UGC at its finest. First is the original thread I made:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2hbb1y5g1ty1urh/UGC%20Forums%20-%20Division%20Change%20Request.htm

And here's more:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wexgoras76a13ij/UGC%20Forums%20-%20The%20system%20for%20promotion%20of%20teams%20is%20flawed..htm

EDIT: Forgot to say, I was never sorry for posting all this here. Treat this as a customer service complaint.

your team should move to Australia. Only one division.

http://i.imgur.com/5NDxsyT.jpg

Confirming

UGC so good in aus

Take our latest match for example

www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhR5ZT8dq6c