this whitelist is actively killing my team
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prthis whitelist is actively killing my team
maybe don't run full time heavy and sniper instead of a demo?
this is entirely ur fault
[quote=pr]this whitelist is actively killing my team[/quote]
maybe don't run full time heavy and sniper instead of a demo?
this is entirely ur fault
maybe don't run full time heavy and sniper instead of a demo?
this is entirely ur fault
didnt read any comments but ye questionable ones
atomiser?
beggars??
market gardener
buff banner
pyro degreaser combos???
lnl demo (n0ice)
demoknight options??
natascha
SANDVICH?
rescue ranger
gunslinger wtf
diamondback
didnt read any comments but ye questionable ones
atomiser?
beggars??
market gardener
buff banner
pyro degreaser combos???
lnl demo (n0ice)
demoknight options??
natascha
SANDVICH?
rescue ranger
gunslinger wtf
diamondback
atomiser?
beggars??
market gardener
buff banner
pyro degreaser combos???
lnl demo (n0ice)
demoknight options??
natascha
SANDVICH?
rescue ranger
gunslinger wtf
diamondback
ok i understand that we wanna stay close to stock but atomizer, parachute, beggars, and the fucking demoknight shit?? can we fucking ban just these things please. this game is gonna die real quick if we dont fix some of this shit
why does mr slin get to decide the outcome of this game? also shouldnt this have been tested before they just forced this shit on us?
ok i understand that we wanna stay close to stock but atomizer, parachute, beggars, and the fucking demoknight shit?? can we fucking ban just these things please. this game is gonna die real quick if we dont fix some of this shit
why does mr slin get to decide the outcome of this game? also shouldnt this have been tested before they just forced this shit on us?
why does mr slin get to decide the outcome of this game? also shouldnt this have been tested before they just forced this shit on us?
The only thing I have a major issue with is the atomizer being unbanned, the rest I'm willing to play with AS LONG AS the admin are willing to add things that are clearly unhealthy to the meta back to the blacklist.
The majority of the things unbanned probably won't have a big effect as people imagine, and you won't probably see them unless your team is being stomped and the other team feels like being rude.
that said, i think a conservative whitelist slowly adding in things to the meta would have been a lot better way of doing this.
The only thing I have a major issue with is the atomizer being unbanned, the rest I'm willing to play with AS LONG AS the admin are willing to add things that are clearly unhealthy to the meta back to the blacklist.
The majority of the things unbanned probably won't have a big effect as people imagine, and you won't probably see them unless your team is being stomped and the other team feels like being rude.
that said, i think a conservative whitelist slowly adding in things to the meta would have been a lot better way of doing this.
The majority of the things unbanned probably won't have a big effect as people imagine, and you won't probably see them unless your team is being stomped and the other team feels like being rude.
that said, i think a conservative whitelist slowly adding in things to the meta would have been a lot better way of doing this.
can't wait to build with atomizer + mousewheel jumping honestly
can't wait to build with atomizer + mousewheel jumping honestly
So I'm playing scout in my first season of open coming up. I predict that there will be at least one match in which I have to face a Gunslinger Engie, a Natascha Heavy, two Atomizer Scouts, a Loch-and Load demo, and a medic who arrow builds in 25 seconds with the Zatoichi demo. Would someone do me the favor of coming over to my house and ending my fucking life before this season starts?
So I'm playing scout in my first season of open coming up. I predict that there will be at least one match in which I have to face a Gunslinger Engie, a Natascha Heavy, two Atomizer Scouts, a Loch-and Load demo, and a medic who arrow builds in 25 seconds with the Zatoichi demo. Would someone do me the favor of coming over to my house and ending my fucking life before this season starts?
This white list is going to obliterate lower divs. Everyone has already pointed out how bad Atomizer and stuff is, but also, so many of these unlocks are going to make for an atrocious lower div experience. A lot players here can probably outplay stuff like Gunslinger or LnL, but imagine how a low level player experiences it. Those are direct upgrades for less skilled players. That's an entire universe of cheese strats opened up there.
I do like the sentiment of getting all the leagues on the same page though.
This white list is going to obliterate lower divs. Everyone has already pointed out how bad Atomizer and stuff is, but also, so many of these unlocks are going to make for an atrocious lower div experience. A lot players here can probably outplay stuff like Gunslinger or LnL, but imagine how a low level player experiences it. Those are direct upgrades for less skilled players. That's an entire universe of cheese strats opened up there.
I do like the sentiment of getting all the leagues on the same page though.
I do like the sentiment of getting all the leagues on the same page though.
pretty much impossible to hit a base jumper with projectiles it's aids to play against
pretty much impossible to hit a base jumper with projectiles it's aids to play against
flatlinemaybe don't run full time heavy and sniper instead of a demo?
this is entirely ur fault
true true valid point
[quote=flatline]
maybe don't run full time heavy and sniper instead of a demo?
this is entirely ur fault[/quote]
true true valid point
maybe don't run full time heavy and sniper instead of a demo?
this is entirely ur fault[/quote]
true true valid point
mr slin to admins: "hey i have this cool whitelist that you should use it will help grow the game because i unbanned all the guns!! valve fixed them dont worry everythings balanced!!!!"
admins: "shouldnt we ask the players first and make sure they are ok with this whitelist"
mr slin: "trust me dog this will save tf2"
admins: "whatever you say mr slin! i guess you are a PRO player!!!!"
fuck off and revert this shit or at least let the players decide what should or shouldnt be banned. im sure most of us will try and be open minded and allow some new items that will change the game without fucking ruining it like this whitelist will do.
let us fucking vote you braindead internet dictators, i wanted to play this season
mr slin to admins: "hey i have this cool whitelist that you should use it will help grow the game because i unbanned all the guns!! valve fixed them dont worry everythings balanced!!!!"
admins: "shouldnt we ask the players first and make sure they are ok with this whitelist"
mr slin: "trust me dog this will save tf2"
admins: "whatever you say mr slin! i guess you are a PRO player!!!!"
fuck off and revert this shit or at least let the players decide what should or shouldnt be banned. im sure most of us will try and be open minded and allow some new items that will change the game without fucking ruining it like this whitelist will do.
let us fucking vote you braindead internet dictators, i wanted to play this season
admins: "shouldnt we ask the players first and make sure they are ok with this whitelist"
mr slin: "trust me dog this will save tf2"
admins: "whatever you say mr slin! i guess you are a PRO player!!!!"
fuck off and revert this shit or at least let the players decide what should or shouldnt be banned. im sure most of us will try and be open minded and allow some new items that will change the game without fucking ruining it like this whitelist will do.
let us fucking vote you braindead internet dictators, i wanted to play this season
sspretty much impossible to hit a base jumper with projectiles it's aids to play against
people just have to get used to it. if you played pubs, you get used to it real fast and it becomes easier than normal jumpers.
my problem is that it absolutely neuters the fucking movement skill cap for soldier and looks retarded as fuck from the outside
[quote=ss]pretty much impossible to hit a base jumper with projectiles it's aids to play against[/quote]
people just have to get used to it. if you played pubs, you get used to it real fast and it becomes easier than normal jumpers.
my problem is that it absolutely neuters the fucking movement skill cap for soldier and looks retarded as fuck from the outside
people just have to get used to it. if you played pubs, you get used to it real fast and it becomes easier than normal jumpers.
my problem is that it absolutely neuters the fucking movement skill cap for soldier and looks retarded as fuck from the outside
sspretty much impossible to hit a base jumper with projectiles it's aids to play against
well i mean you could just aim
[quote=ss]pretty much impossible to hit a base jumper with projectiles it's aids to play against[/quote]
well i mean you could just aim
well i mean you could just aim
flatlineThis was tested out last night in a couple scrims
The only real objections I have are that the Rescue Ranger and Natascha remain unbanned.
Rescue Ranger is just stupid and is going to make last holds even more stalematey when an engi can just heal his gun from spawn constantly. Natascha doesn't even have a place in this game but it's at least a Heavy weapon so it's not like a scout is going to come out of anywhere and start hitting you with slowdown bullets in a movement-based fps. It's still a dumb weapon overall but it's less of a threat in 6s
edit: the atomizer is also really stupid
Direct Hit spam?
[quote=flatline]This was tested out last night in a couple scrims
The only real objections I have are that the Rescue Ranger and Natascha remain unbanned.
Rescue Ranger is just stupid and is going to make last holds even more stalematey when an engi can just heal his gun from spawn constantly. Natascha doesn't even have a place in this game but it's at least a Heavy weapon so it's not like a scout is going to come out of anywhere and start hitting you with slowdown bullets in a movement-based fps. It's still a dumb weapon overall but it's less of a threat in 6s
edit: the atomizer is also really stupid[/quote]
Direct Hit spam?
The only real objections I have are that the Rescue Ranger and Natascha remain unbanned.
Rescue Ranger is just stupid and is going to make last holds even more stalematey when an engi can just heal his gun from spawn constantly. Natascha doesn't even have a place in this game but it's at least a Heavy weapon so it's not like a scout is going to come out of anywhere and start hitting you with slowdown bullets in a movement-based fps. It's still a dumb weapon overall but it's less of a threat in 6s
edit: the atomizer is also really stupid[/quote]
Direct Hit spam?
With the atomizer being unbanned suddenly rocky is the best pocket in ozfort
With the atomizer being unbanned suddenly rocky is the best pocket in ozfort
Some of these change they allowed are actually just mind boggling to me. What was going through the mind of these five (?!?!) people that apparently had input on this blacklist.
I'm all for a) having a universal whitelist and b) unbanning all the arbitrarily banned weapons like the Neon Annhilator and Panic Attack, but some of these newly unlocked weapons literally don't have a counter.
How do you realistically counter a Base Jumping soldier? A perfectly aimed scout shot will do like 20 damage and he'll keep full strafing speed. So are you going to run a sniper, heavy, or engineer and just slow the game down even more?
Atomizer, Cow Mangler, and Base jumper are sidegrades at the absolute worst (especially for pocket regarding the latter) and are game changing.
Others like the Beggars, Jarate, Loch n Load, and Rescue Ranger don't have as macro impact in game, but in the niche situations they would be used literally are uncounterable without running other stupid shit like full time heavy, engie, or pyro and then where does the game end?
Also, Loch n Load is going to singlehandedly break viaduct week. Mark my words.
Some of these change they allowed are actually just mind boggling to me. What was going through the mind of these five (?!?!) people that apparently had input on this blacklist.
I'm all for a) having a universal whitelist and b) unbanning all the arbitrarily banned weapons like the Neon Annhilator and Panic Attack, but some of these newly unlocked weapons literally don't have a counter.
How do you realistically counter a Base Jumping soldier? A perfectly aimed scout shot will do like 20 damage and he'll keep full strafing speed. So are you going to run a sniper, heavy, or engineer and just slow the game down even more?
Atomizer, Cow Mangler, and Base jumper are sidegrades at the absolute worst (especially for pocket regarding the latter) and are game changing.
Others like the Beggars, Jarate, Loch n Load, and Rescue Ranger don't have as macro impact in game, but in the niche situations they would be used literally are uncounterable without running other stupid shit like full time heavy, engie, or pyro and then where does the game end?
Also, Loch n Load is going to singlehandedly break viaduct week. Mark my words.
I'm all for a) having a universal whitelist and b) unbanning all the arbitrarily banned weapons like the Neon Annhilator and Panic Attack, but some of these newly unlocked weapons literally don't have a counter.
How do you realistically counter a Base Jumping soldier? A perfectly aimed scout shot will do like 20 damage and he'll keep full strafing speed. So are you going to run a sniper, heavy, or engineer and just slow the game down even more?
Atomizer, Cow Mangler, and Base jumper are sidegrades at the absolute worst (especially for pocket regarding the latter) and are game changing.
Others like the Beggars, Jarate, Loch n Load, and Rescue Ranger don't have as macro impact in game, but in the niche situations they would be used literally are uncounterable without running other stupid shit like full time heavy, engie, or pyro and then where does the game end?
Also, Loch n Load is going to singlehandedly break viaduct week. Mark my words.
who was involved in this decision and where do they live?
who was involved in this decision and where do they live?
I am being told slin did this
Steve Lin aka MR SLIN
San Francisco, California
I am being told slin did this
Steve Lin aka MR SLIN
San Francisco, California
Steve Lin aka MR SLIN
San Francisco, California
Man, I lurk the forums but this is honestly the most depressing thing I've seen in a while.
also I love you slin, but if this was your big idea dude you really fucking dropped the ball with this one.
Man, I lurk the forums but this is honestly the most depressing thing I've seen in a while.
also I love you slin, but if this was your big idea dude you really fucking dropped the ball with this one.
also I love you slin, but if this was your big idea dude you really fucking dropped the ball with this one.
-protoI am being told slin did this
Steve Lin aka MR SLIN
San Francisco, California
An Asian in San Francisco, we'll find him in no time!
[quote=-proto]I am being told slin did this
Steve Lin aka MR SLIN
San Francisco, California[/quote]
An Asian in San Francisco, we'll find him in no time!
Steve Lin aka MR SLIN
San Francisco, California[/quote]
An Asian in San Francisco, we'll find him in no time!
saam killed mr slin's invite dreams, now slin is trying to kill tf2
saam killed mr slin's invite dreams, now slin is trying to kill tf2
Nigga what the fuck
this is why valve doesn't know how to fucking balance anything in this game
stop this autistic weapon banning shit
partly valve is just shit at their jobs, and partly this weapon banning has caused valve to have no understanding of what weapons need to get buffed and nerfed, they never see the top players using the OP weapons, and ignoring the shit weapons, since everything is banned regardless
here's my weapon banlist:
Nigga what the fuck
this is why valve doesn't know how to fucking balance anything in this game
stop this autistic weapon banning shit
partly valve is just shit at their jobs, and partly this weapon banning has caused valve to have no understanding of what weapons need to get buffed and nerfed, they never see the top players using the OP weapons, and ignoring the shit weapons, since everything is banned regardless
here's my weapon banlist:
this is why valve doesn't know how to fucking balance anything in this game
stop this autistic weapon banning shit
partly valve is just shit at their jobs, and partly this weapon banning has caused valve to have no understanding of what weapons need to get buffed and nerfed, they never see the top players using the OP weapons, and ignoring the shit weapons, since everything is banned regardless
here's my weapon banlist:
From what I've heard some people who are involved in the whitelist changes have decided to not identify themselves as such.
From what I've heard some people who are involved in the whitelist changes have decided to not identify themselves as such.
ProSkeezSome of these change they allowed are actually just mind boggling to me. What was going through the mind of these five (?!?!) people that apparently had input on this blacklist.
I'm all for a) having a universal whitelist and b) unbanning all the arbitrarily banned weapons like the Neon Annhilator and Panic Attack, but some of these newly unlocked weapons literally don't have a counter.
How do you realistically counter a Base Jumping soldier? A perfectly aimed scout shot will do like 20 damage and he'll keep full strafing speed. So are you going to run a sniper, heavy, or engineer and just slow the game down even more?
Atomizer, Cow Mangler, and Base jumper are sidegrades at the absolute worst (especially for pocket regarding the latter) and are game changing.
Others like the Beggars, Jarate, Loch n Load, and Rescue Ranger don't have as macro impact in game, but in the niche situations they would be used literally are uncounterable without running other stupid shit like full time heavy, engie, or pyro and then where does the game end?
Also, Loch n Load is going to singlehandedly break viaduct week. Mark my words.
holy shit I lost so many brain cells reading this retarded drivel
HOW DO I COUNTER BASE JUMPER?
Yeah I LOVE using pyro to airblast beggar's bazooka rockets so I can get hit by the next two, thats exactly how that works bro
I also go heavy when I see the enemy team running a sniper with jarate, works p well
[quote=ProSkeez]Some of these change they allowed are actually just mind boggling to me. What was going through the mind of these five (?!?!) people that apparently had input on this blacklist.
I'm all for a) having a universal whitelist and b) unbanning all the arbitrarily banned weapons like the Neon Annhilator and Panic Attack, but some of these newly unlocked weapons literally don't have a counter.
How do you realistically counter a Base Jumping soldier? A perfectly aimed scout shot will do like 20 damage and he'll keep full strafing speed. So are you going to run a sniper, heavy, or engineer and just slow the game down even more?
Atomizer, Cow Mangler, and Base jumper are sidegrades at the absolute worst (especially for pocket regarding the latter) and are game changing.
Others like the Beggars, Jarate, Loch n Load, and Rescue Ranger don't have as macro impact in game, but in the niche situations they would be used literally are uncounterable without running other stupid shit like full time heavy, engie, or pyro and then where does the game end?
Also, Loch n Load is going to singlehandedly break viaduct week. Mark my words.[/quote]
holy shit I lost so many brain cells reading this retarded drivel
[b]HOW DO I COUNTER BASE JUMPER?[/b]
Yeah I LOVE using pyro to airblast beggar's bazooka rockets so I can get hit by the next two, thats exactly how that works bro
I also go heavy when I see the enemy team running a sniper with jarate, works p well
I'm all for a) having a universal whitelist and b) unbanning all the arbitrarily banned weapons like the Neon Annhilator and Panic Attack, but some of these newly unlocked weapons literally don't have a counter.
How do you realistically counter a Base Jumping soldier? A perfectly aimed scout shot will do like 20 damage and he'll keep full strafing speed. So are you going to run a sniper, heavy, or engineer and just slow the game down even more?
Atomizer, Cow Mangler, and Base jumper are sidegrades at the absolute worst (especially for pocket regarding the latter) and are game changing.
Others like the Beggars, Jarate, Loch n Load, and Rescue Ranger don't have as macro impact in game, but in the niche situations they would be used literally are uncounterable without running other stupid shit like full time heavy, engie, or pyro and then where does the game end?
Also, Loch n Load is going to singlehandedly break viaduct week. Mark my words.[/quote]
holy shit I lost so many brain cells reading this retarded drivel
[b]HOW DO I COUNTER BASE JUMPER?[/b]
Yeah I LOVE using pyro to airblast beggar's bazooka rockets so I can get hit by the next two, thats exactly how that works bro
I also go heavy when I see the enemy team running a sniper with jarate, works p well
KingsdenNigga what the fuck
this is why valve doesn't know how to fucking balance anything in this game
stop this autistic weapon banning shit
partly valve is just shit at their jobs, and partly this weapon banning has caused valve to have no understanding of what weapons need to get buffed and nerfed, they never see the top players using the OP weapons, and ignoring the shit weapons, since everything is banned regardless
here's my weapon banlist:
On a real note, I doubt valve is the reasoning behind the destroyed whitelist but, I can understand your frustration. Just you're using it all on the wrong source.
[quote=Kingsden]Nigga what the fuck
this is why valve doesn't know how to fucking balance anything in this game
stop this autistic weapon banning shit
partly valve is just shit at their jobs, and partly this weapon banning has caused valve to have no understanding of what weapons need to get buffed and nerfed, they never see the top players using the OP weapons, and ignoring the shit weapons, since everything is banned regardless
here's my weapon banlist:[/quote]
On a real note, I doubt valve is the reasoning behind the destroyed whitelist but, I can understand your frustration. Just you're using it all on the wrong source.
this is why valve doesn't know how to fucking balance anything in this game
stop this autistic weapon banning shit
partly valve is just shit at their jobs, and partly this weapon banning has caused valve to have no understanding of what weapons need to get buffed and nerfed, they never see the top players using the OP weapons, and ignoring the shit weapons, since everything is banned regardless
here's my weapon banlist:[/quote]
On a real note, I doubt valve is the reasoning behind the destroyed whitelist but, I can understand your frustration. Just you're using it all on the wrong source.
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