It actually works pretty well, had many more close and balanced matches since they updated it. Play on it. Tell everyone about it. It's time for TF2Center, TF2Stadium, and MixChamp to die and for all competitive TF2 players to consolidate into one platform. Once they add captaining let PugChamp die too.

I could get used to this

faceit devs doing more for tf2 in 3 months than tf2 devs in 3 years

i dont really follow these pug sites and tf2 lobbys but isnt it kind of rude to promote their death after all the work they did for this game ?

i've read that like 5 times and I have no idea what you're trying to say

Seems fairly clear what he's saying tbf.

he meant advertisting to use faceit over pugchamp i believe

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yeah i understand that but its still poor taste imo, ppl worked hard for some of them and at some point in time from my experience i remember tf2 center being the only way to play 6s without any real compromises.
dont really know much about the others though

Is it really? If we kill them off then we get the exact same shit we have with ESEA. We would literally be beholden to a single entity and that is never good. The only thing that faceit offers right now over what we have is potential prizes and faceit points. Nothing else. So if thats all they offer why the hell are we throwing all our eggs into one basket, especially with where TF2 is right now, we do it and it doesn't come out perfect the scene totally dies.

Calling for the other sites to shut down it not only short sighted but it makes zero sense when you look at how things sit right now.

why would you not want people to switch to a platform with good administration, incentive to perform, legitimate e-sports clout, and self regulating high quality matchmaking? no one is saying tf2center should shut down today, but people absolutely should be playing on faceit instead if they want good quality matches.

i think we should stay beholden to a single enitity as long we can barely fill esea divs...

alternative is that people keep playing on tf2c/pugchamp/whatever, people slowly lose interest in faceit and it dies, and then we're in the same situation but worse.

You just have to look at the CEVO situation to understand why further fracturing the competitive community is a bad idea. In an ideal world it would all be consolidated into one platform, but I'm happy with ESEA being the league, FACEIT being the pug site and TFTV being the community hub. FACEIT having prizes should be enough of an advantage that even if everything else was equal you would use it anyways. I think its much more likely that community services like TF2Center, TF2Stadium and MixChamp would disappear, just as TF2Pickup, TF2PUGNA and TF2PUGME have, since they are mostly run as volunteer projects that are dependent on their proprietors to maintain them. Do you really think FACEIT will be disappearing anytime soon? I find it highly unlikely given that it's a fully functional business platform for multiple games. But maybe it will disappear, we can only hope that by then you will finally be able to fadd on PugChamp LUL

pugchamp has decided to kill itself actually, didn't they sponsor a FACEIT tournament

I don't think the comparison between two leagues where people dedicate 10+ hours a week for practicing and playing them compare to a 30 minute pug system. I also personally dislike how faceit's class-system is run with it being who connects to the game first(unless they've changed it recently) and prefer people picking me on classes I want to play.

Of course you can compare the two. Both of them suffered because there weren't enough players. For a competitive platform, the same consequences follow whether the user's time investment is 10 hours or 30 minutes: The match quality suffers. The developers see little incentive to continue supporting it. The service is cancelled.

The class selection complaint is a legitimate one. However, I personally believe that for lower level games (sub-invite), the priority for users should be finding games rapidly and seamlessly. As long as each team has a medic most people tend to be flexible with their classes. I've always been able to negotiate to get onto a class I want, it's not that hard.

explain then how tf2center and any iteration of better pug websites(i.e. tf2mix/pugna/tf2pugme/pugchamp) have an active and consistent user base as well?
If we lose pugchamp I don't think anyone in this community would be willing to start another new service. Sure there might be inhouses but the main thing about pug/mixchamp is for people new to tf2 to get some experience playing with people considerably better at some parts of the day and teach them how to improve basic mistakes or find a team(especially with meds).

Holy fuck how out of touch are you LMFAO. You literally just said that anyone that is sub invite doest need to have a balanced game. What the actual shit?? Not to mention of course you have zero issue getting what class you want you are one of the best players in the game. Short of another invite player people will give you want you want. You have ZERO idea what it is like for lower level players or players that are not known in the game, 70% of the time they will be told to fuck off and play the class they are on.

I would also like to remind you that ESEA has a perfectly functioning PUG system that none of us use, they provide actual real would prizes as well not just shitty faceit points. On top of that the ESEA system actually works better then the current faceit one, and many of us are already paying for it anyways. Why are you pushing Faceit so hard when we have had ESEA for so long and yet you have NEVER said anything about it.

Telling the other sites that they literally need to die because faceit is the bestest thing ever really shows how disconnected you are from the actual players of the game. Especially when all the other systems we have (Including ESEA) work better then what faceit currently provides.

Now I am not saying dont use faceit, they seem to be taking good steps but holy fuck why are you throwing so much into just faceit?

games aren't that unbalanced, i've played a couple games recently and they've been p good
you can use faceit points to buy unusuals and stuff
i have no idea where you play esea pugs but i'm pretty sure they've been dead for a while
faceit has good admins (just look at how much user input they've been receiving and the sound update stuff from anakkk)
there's a chance for tf2 to grow under faceit, pretty much no chance under pugchamp/tf2c/whatever

FACEIT has balanced games though (that's what this thread is actually about, so you should probably read it). I said that the highest priority is getting a game quickly. I've played a bunch of games with lower level players on FACEIT, and helped them get the classes they want. For the most part, people are pretty accommodating. I don't tell people to fuck off, do you?

ESEA does have a pug system. You say its perfectly functioning but that statement leads me to believe you've never actually played on it. I actually have, and even won those exact "real world prizes" you claim are so special (they stopped offering those years ago btw). I tried to revive that system, but it had many issues that I could go into but essentially it was a dead end. Take a look at the current prizes they offer for pugs, they are only for CSGO: https://play.esea.net/index.php?s=news&d=comments&id=14923

You also talk about how you don't think it would be good to be "beholden to a single entity" yet I'm sure you don't mind supporting TFTV, which monopolizes many many things in the TF2 competitive scene. I'm looking at the bigger picture much more than you are. You're being blatantly hypocritical and didn't bother to research your claims, yet I'm out of touch? Yikes.

well the esea system costs money and faceit doesn't
idk wtf ur talking about when u say the current systems work better than faceit, faceit is totally fine if not better
and for random queue pugs classes really aren't an issue, u should try to get experience on all the classes anyways
faceit also has shown that they are willing to throw real money at a cup every once in a while
if we consolidate all our pugs/lobbies and shit all on this one site they'll probably give us more cups

also pugchamp is kind of garbage my man

id rather leave my fate to random matchmaking than see a captain throw picks like brady

FACEIT has more than any other pug platform has to offer and it gives you an incentive to play pugs and to continue playing the game, unlike mixchamp, pugchamp, tf2center, etc. FACEIT is the next best thing that will continue to evolve the TF2 scene. If you believe FACEIT has more flaws than any other site, I feel remorse for you, because FACEIT is one of the most substantial steps in moving forward for this game.

From what I see, it now provides much fairer and quicker pugs than any other platform and essentially is the ultimate TF2 platform as of today.

I honestly believe that making faceit the new primary pug system is a step in the right direction. But you have to be careful, if they eliminate all competition they will have no reason to improve since they are already the best, and this leads to corrupt and shitty administartion, similar to how tf2center beat tf2lobby.

I like tf2 as much as the next guy in this community but no way am i paying 7 bucks a month to play tf2 pugs.
faceit>esea

you don't have to pay money to play pugs on faceit

Even if faceit dies we can easily make a new web site like stadium/Centre. There's not much to lose. The biggest problem I have with faceit right now is I always end up switching with our medic because they didn't actually want or know how to play it. The prizes are a great motivator and make the games feel more competitive. At the same time though no one seems to be trying to talk or work together. The coms are dead compared to mix champ or tf2 center lobbies.

I will start playing faceit the day they add the ability to choose your class so you don't have to sign up and hope someone wants to play med. Until that day, no amount of FaceIt points is going to convince me to leave the systems that already work and already allow you to pick your class.