Nub_Danishmaybe you've been "overlooked" as a player because you've been on bad team and played badly on those bad teams
people like people who they think are good
On the contrary it's retarded to entirely dismiss individual players based on team performance
[quote=Nub_Danish]maybe you've been "overlooked" as a player because you've been on bad team and played badly on those bad teams
people like people who they think are good[/quote]
On the contrary it's retarded to entirely dismiss individual players based on team performance
At least you're not marmadukeGRYLLS. Solid DM, top tier personality, one of the smartest players I've played and pugged with.
The best team he's been on in recent seasons has saam on scout . . .
At least you're not marmadukeGRYLLS. Solid DM, top tier personality, one of the smartest players I've played and pugged with.
The best team he's been on in recent seasons has saam on scout . . .
marm is probably the only player who can legitimately complain about never even getting a chance to play on a top team
seriously it's insane how many times he's gotten fucked over
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how did muma ever decide to pick up alfa instead of him
marm is probably the only player who can legitimately complain about never even getting a chance to play on a top team
seriously it's insane how many times he's gotten fucked over
[spoiler]how did muma ever decide to pick up alfa instead of him[/spoiler]
pour one out for marm, a true tf2 hero
pour one out for marm, a true tf2 hero
CollaideNub_Danishmaybe you've been "overlooked" as a player because you've been on bad team and played badly on those bad teams
people like people who they think are good
On the contrary it's retarded to entirely dismiss individual players based on team performance
played badly on those bad teams
[quote=Collaide][quote=Nub_Danish]maybe you've been "overlooked" as a player because you've been on bad team and played badly on those bad teams
people like people who they think are good[/quote]
On the contrary it's retarded to entirely dismiss individual players based on team performance[/quote]
played badly on those bad teams
marm you got industed s18 <|8O(
marm you got industed s18 <|8O(
marm come find me at lan, shots on me friendo
marm come find me at lan, shots on me friendo
saammarm is probably the only player who can legitimately complain about never even getting a chance to play on a top team
Truth. marm is actually really fucking good.
[quote=saam]marm is probably the only player who can legitimately complain about never even getting a chance to play on a top team[/quote]
Truth. marm is actually really fucking good.
i remember marm carrying the fuck out of flame on that ggglygy team
i remember marm carrying the fuck out of flame on that ggglygy team
saamhow did muma ever decide to pick up alfa instead of him
I can answer that one. I was offered either pocket or roamer, but I said I wouldn't be able to main call effectively on roamer as I'll have less info (when a roamer does his job, he won't be able to see as much as the core in order to call a push or time flanks and such. I can expand on this if you'd like me to). It came down to trying out tagg and marm, and at that moment I was working better with tagg than with marm in scrims. Maybe long term it MIGHT have worked better with marm? Who knows, I went by what went better in scrims and gave my input on it. Regardless, I regret doing that to marm as he is a friend and one of the best people I hang out at LANs with, and to just put in prospect how much of a genuine person he is, he brushed that shit off at LAN and we still hung out without any grudge bullshit or anything like that. I could say he is one of the people I respect the most in this game and look up to as a mature figure.
Commence shit talk of why I'm worse than both marm and tagg or something (seems that's what you do when you see my name pop up). If you want to have an actual proper discussion you can PM me because I know it's hard getting any facts when you're not part of a team.
Edit: I don't actually know who you are at all but I'm just telling you from my brief 2 interactions with you ever.
[quote=saam]how did muma ever decide to pick up alfa instead of him[/quote]
I can answer that one. I was offered either pocket or roamer, but I said I wouldn't be able to main call effectively on roamer as I'll have less info (when a roamer does his job, he won't be able to see as much as the core in order to call a push or time flanks and such. I can expand on this if you'd like me to). It came down to trying out tagg and marm, and at that moment I was working better with tagg than with marm in scrims. Maybe long term it MIGHT have worked better with marm? Who knows, I went by what went better in scrims and gave my input on it. Regardless, I regret doing that to marm as he is a friend and one of the best people I hang out at LANs with, and to just put in prospect how much of a genuine person he is, he brushed that shit off at LAN and we still hung out without any grudge bullshit or anything like that. I could say he is one of the people I respect the most in this game and look up to as a mature figure.
Commence shit talk of why I'm worse than both marm and tagg or something (seems that's what you do when you see my name pop up). If you want to have an actual proper discussion you can PM me because I know it's hard getting any facts when you're not part of a team.
Edit: I don't actually know who you are at all but I'm just telling you from my brief 2 interactions with you ever.
alfasaamhow did muma ever decide to pick up alfa instead of him
I can answer that one. I was offered either pocket or roamer, but I said I wouldn't be able to main call effectively on roamer as I'll have less info (when a roamer does his job, he won't be able to see as much as the core in order to call a push or time flanks and such. I can expand on this if you'd like me to). It came down to trying out tagg and marm, and at that moment I was working better with tagg than with marm in scrims. Maybe long term it MIGHT have worked better with marm? Who knows, I went by what went better in scrims and gave my input on it. Regardless, I regret doing that to marm as he is a friend and one of the best people I hang out at LANs with, and to just put in prospect how much of a genuine person he is, he brushed that shit off at LAN and we still hung out without any grudge bullshit or anything like that. I could say he is one of the people I respect the most in this game and look up to as a mature figure.
Commence shit talk of why I'm worse than both marm and tagg or something (seems that's what you do when you see my name pop up). If you want to have an actual proper discussion you can PM me because I know it's hard getting any facts when you're not part of a team.
Edit: I don't actually know who you are at all but I'm just telling you from my brief 2 interactions with you ever.
you are worse than both marm and tagg
[quote=alfa][quote=saam]how did muma ever decide to pick up alfa instead of him[/quote]
I can answer that one. I was offered either pocket or roamer, but I said I wouldn't be able to main call effectively on roamer as I'll have less info (when a roamer does his job, he won't be able to see as much as the core in order to call a push or time flanks and such. I can expand on this if you'd like me to). It came down to trying out tagg and marm, and at that moment I was working better with tagg than with marm in scrims. Maybe long term it MIGHT have worked better with marm? Who knows, I went by what went better in scrims and gave my input on it. Regardless, I regret doing that to marm as he is a friend and one of the best people I hang out at LANs with, and to just put in prospect how much of a genuine person he is, he brushed that shit off at LAN and we still hung out without any grudge bullshit or anything like that. I could say he is one of the people I respect the most in this game and look up to as a mature figure.
Commence shit talk of why I'm worse than both marm and tagg or something (seems that's what you do when you see my name pop up). If you want to have an actual proper discussion you can PM me because I know it's hard getting any facts when you're not part of a team.
Edit: I don't actually know who you are at all but I'm just telling you from my brief 2 interactions with you ever.[/quote]
you are worse than both marm and tagg
weren't u guys on a team together
weren't u guys on a team together
god damnit, i fucking love rando.
god damnit, i fucking love rando.
randoyou are worse than both marm and tagg
I wish that I threw up in your car at GXL instead of Nick's bathroom (a LOT of vomit).
[quote=rando]you are worse than both marm and tagg[/quote]
I wish that I threw up in your car at GXL instead of Nick's bathroom (a LOT of vomit).
If marm is/was really as good as you guys are claiming, I find it hard to believe that he's been overlooked for so long. Remember this guy has been playing forever, surely after all this time someone would have taken notice? He seems like a great guy and people have vouched for his ability to play the game, whats stopping/stopped a higher level from picking him up after all this time?
If marm is/was really as good as you guys are claiming, I find it hard to believe that he's been overlooked for so long. Remember this guy has been playing forever, surely after all this time someone would have taken notice? He seems like a great guy and people have vouched for his ability to play the game, whats stopping/stopped a higher level from picking him up after all this time?
DollIf marm is/was really as good as you guys are claiming, I find it hard to believe that he's been overlooked for so long. Remember this guy has been playing forever, surely after all this time someone would have taken notice? He seems like a great guy and people have vouched for his ability to play the game, whats stopping/stopped a higher level from picking him up after all this time?
I think it's a mixture of bad luck and bad timing. A lot of the top teams have mostly consistent rosters and such. Even when there have been vacancies, he might have been edged out by a soldier with more experience within the top 3 teams. You could say it might have been about politics more than performance at that point.
If Froyo or Mixup picked up Marm years ago, I think you'd see him appear more frequently on top 3/4 rosters. His closest shot at that was when he rang for Froyo during the last GXL LAN and won, beating Ascent and 20b.
[quote=Doll]If marm is/was really as good as you guys are claiming, I find it hard to believe that he's been overlooked for so long. Remember this guy has been playing forever, surely after all this time someone would have taken notice? He seems like a great guy and people have vouched for his ability to play the game, whats stopping/stopped a higher level from picking him up after all this time?[/quote]
I think it's a mixture of bad luck and bad timing. A lot of the top teams have mostly consistent rosters and such. Even when there have been vacancies, he might have been edged out by a soldier with more experience within the top 3 teams. You could say it might have been about politics more than performance at that point.
If Froyo or Mixup picked up Marm years ago, I think you'd see him appear more frequently on top 3/4 rosters. His closest shot at that was when he rang for Froyo during the last GXL LAN and won, beating Ascent and 20b.
mub4nny is a fucking retard killing his own game
by the way, if you're an up and coming player who isn't in a circlejerk, u better be ready to suck some dick. good luck trying to get top 3 invite ever. theres actually no point in grinding this fucking game at all.
the overall skill level is so low right now it is the easiest point in TF2s time ever to climb to invite, there are only a few old players left, everyone else that still plays (aka the up and comers after majority of the old players quit) took the time to grind and learn the game (somewhat), and if you're competent about it anyone can do it. even yight.
[quote=mu]b4nny is a fucking retard killing his own game
by the way, if you're an up and coming player who isn't in a circlejerk, u better be ready to suck some dick. good luck trying to get top 3 invite ever. theres actually no point in grinding this fucking game at all.[/quote]
the overall skill level is so low right now it is the easiest point in TF2s time ever to climb to invite, there are only a few old players left, everyone else that still plays (aka the up and comers after majority of the old players quit) took the time to grind and learn the game (somewhat), and if you're competent about it anyone can do it. even yight.
alfarandoyou are worse than both marm and tagg
I wish that I threw up in your car at GXL instead of Nick's bathroom (a LOT of vomit).
I wish you did too ._.
[quote=alfa][quote=rando]you are worse than both marm and tagg[/quote]
I wish that I threw up in your car at GXL instead of Nick's bathroom (a LOT of vomit).[/quote]
I wish you did too ._.
aim-i think when i joined luca goers it was just linkuser nursey arekk and connor
then avast just quit and we cut goldfish
and pretty much slemnish botmode and hass were the best options open at the time so yea i agree with rando
tbf luca was like the least circle jerky team I've been on
but pretty much everyone on that team was there because everyone had the same mindset and were pretty similar in skill level
as for reimu, I've always thought he's good but not quite good enough to be on a 4th place team. If he had just played scout in invite or on like the top IM team since s20 he would've been better than cheesy and he was better than knuck I thought
idk if you wanna be on a top4 team and you're not somebody's bestie it can be hard but tf2 really isn't that circlejerky esp compared to literally any other game (dota2, csgo, ow)
also marm is probably like the 4th or 5th best soldier in NA at least
[quote=aim-]i think when i joined luca goers it was just linkuser nursey arekk and connor
then avast just quit and we cut goldfish
and pretty much slemnish botmode and hass were the best options open at the time so yea i agree with rando[/quote]
tbf luca was like the least circle jerky team I've been on
but pretty much everyone on that team was there because everyone had the same mindset and were pretty similar in skill level
as for reimu, I've always thought he's good but not quite good [i]enough[/i] to be on a 4th place team. If he had just played scout in invite or on like the top IM team since s20 he would've been better than cheesy and he was better than knuck I thought
idk if you wanna be on a top4 team and you're not somebody's bestie it can be hard but tf2 really isn't that circlejerky esp compared to literally any other game (dota2, csgo, ow)
also marm is probably like the 4th or 5th best soldier in NA at least
So can anyone summarize why everyone hates banny all of a sudden? I'm still confused. I can't tell if this thread is legit or one big troll.
So can anyone summarize why everyone hates banny all of a sudden? I'm still confused. I can't tell if this thread is legit or one big troll.
blinKSo can anyone summarize why everyone hates banny all of a sudden? I'm still confused. I can't tell if this thread is legit or one big troll.
the Jews did it
[quote=blinK]So can anyone summarize why everyone hates banny all of a sudden? I'm still confused. I can't tell if this thread is legit or one big troll.[/quote]
the Jews did it
blinKSo can anyone summarize why everyone hates banny all of a sudden? I'm still confused. I can't tell if this thread is legit or one big troll.
It's not really "all of a sudden". B4nny's image in the tf2 community has been on a somewhat steady yet slow decline since original 4G broke up. He's more outspoken now and not really afraid to voice his opinion because there's not really too many old players around to give him shit, and he comes off as an asshole/saltmachine/rager.
It also doesn't help that he tried to have the quickfix unbanned.
[quote=blinK]So can anyone summarize why everyone hates banny all of a sudden? I'm still confused. I can't tell if this thread is legit or one big troll.[/quote]
It's not really "all of a sudden". B4nny's image in the tf2 community has been on a somewhat steady yet slow decline since original 4G broke up. He's more outspoken now and not really afraid to voice his opinion because there's not really too many old players around to give him shit, and he comes off as an asshole/saltmachine/rager.
It also doesn't help that he tried to have the quickfix unbanned.
botmodeaim-i think when i joined luca goers it was just linkuser nursey arekk and connor
then avast just quit and we cut goldfish
and pretty much slemnish botmode and hass were the best options open at the time so yea i agree with rando
tbf luca was like the least circle jerky team I've been on
but pretty much everyone on that team was there because everyone had the same mindset and were pretty similar in skill level
as for reimu, I've always thought he's good but not quite good enough to be on a 4th place team. If he had just played scout in invite or on like the top IM team since s20 he would've been better than cheesy and he was better than knuck I thought
idk if you wanna be on a top4 team and you're not somebody's bestie it can be hard but tf2 really isn't that circlejerky esp compared to literally any other game (dota2, csgo, ow)
also marm is probably like the 4th or 5th best soldier in NA at least
cheesy plays with like 40 fps
[quote=botmode][quote=aim-]i think when i joined luca goers it was just linkuser nursey arekk and connor
then avast just quit and we cut goldfish
and pretty much slemnish botmode and hass were the best options open at the time so yea i agree with rando[/quote]
tbf luca was like the least circle jerky team I've been on
but pretty much everyone on that team was there because everyone had the same mindset and were pretty similar in skill level
as for reimu, I've always thought he's good but not quite good [i]enough[/i] to be on a 4th place team. If he had just played scout in invite or on like the top IM team since s20 he would've been better than cheesy and he was better than knuck I thought
idk if you wanna be on a top4 team and you're not somebody's bestie it can be hard but tf2 really isn't that circlejerky esp compared to literally any other game (dota2, csgo, ow)
also marm is probably like the 4th or 5th best soldier in NA at least[/quote]
cheesy plays with like 40 fps
preface: yes i did just make this account
this post pertains more to they hungry hypocrite video but I thought i'd post it here because post relevance doesn't seem to be highly valued atm
I wanted to gain some clear/reasonable insight as to why b4nny deserves all this shit. I understand if you hate him, but I think it would be more polite/compassionate to keep that to yourself.
heres some arguing/conversation points i hope i can get some responses too:
-b4nny seems to have (almost) never PERSONALLY INSULTED someone. Regrettably, there is that european phrase. I cant think of any other relevant examples however. And, honestly, beneath his ego (we all have egos, dont the wrong idea) it would be a safe assumption to think that he regrets saying that.
-the hungry hypocrite video is very demeaning, and honestly I think anyone in this community would feel kinda sad should a similar thing happen towards them
-yes, he does yell at players in pugs. I wish he didn't but thats just who he is, and he does so because he likes to play the game in an understandably serious way. But comparing yelling at high open/im players and above to yelling at new players is ridiculous, is it not?
-Continuing an earlier point: he keeps his insults 'inside the realm of tf2'. With that said, I think it would be unhealthy to take somebody shouting 'youre bad' too seriously. In fact, it almost seems to indicate something negative about your ego, that you cannot take criticism and resort to personal insults/hate
In conclusion, it is completely fine to dislike someone but to condone the ban b4nny and hypocrite video stuff is honestly just plain mean. I hope to encourage constructive argument/dialogue and really hope to gain some insight and maybe maybe moderate some people towards lesser hate. Feel free to troll me with 'b4nny sub' but maybe reply with substance???
thanks
ps: i try -to- make claims of fact by using qualifiers ('i think', 'it seems', etc) so try to not bullshit your way into making a good argument based off of "facts"
[i]preface: yes i did just make this account
[/i]
this post pertains more to they hungry hypocrite video but I thought i'd post it here because post relevance doesn't seem to be highly valued atm
I wanted to gain some clear/reasonable insight as to why b4nny deserves all this shit. I understand if you hate him, but I think it would be more polite/compassionate to keep that to yourself.
[b]heres some arguing/conversation points i hope i can get some responses too:[/b]
-b4nny seems to have (almost) never PERSONALLY INSULTED someone. Regrettably, there is that european phrase. I cant think of any other relevant examples however. And, honestly, beneath his ego (we all have egos, dont the wrong idea) it would be a safe assumption to think that he regrets saying that.
-the hungry hypocrite video is very demeaning, and honestly I think anyone in this community would feel kinda sad should a similar thing happen towards them
-yes, he does yell at players in pugs. I wish he didn't but thats just who he is, and he does so because he likes to play the game in an understandably serious way. But comparing yelling at high open/im players and above to yelling at new players is ridiculous, is it not?
-Continuing an earlier point: he keeps his insults 'inside the realm of tf2'. With that said, I think it would be unhealthy to take somebody shouting 'youre bad' too seriously. In fact, it almost seems to indicate something negative about [i]your[/i] ego, that you cannot take criticism and resort to personal insults/hate
In conclusion, it is completely fine to dislike someone but to condone the ban b4nny and hypocrite video stuff is honestly just plain mean. I hope to encourage constructive argument/dialogue and really hope to gain some insight and maybe maybe moderate some people towards lesser hate. Feel free to troll me with 'b4nny sub' but maybe reply with substance???
thanks
ps: i try -to- make claims of fact by using qualifiers ('i think', 'it seems', etc) so try to not bullshit your way into making a good argument based off of "facts"
If b4nny regretted anything he would apologize for it and/or say he regrets or did something wrong. I don't think I've ever heard b4nny say he's wrong.
If b4nny regretted anything he would apologize for it and/or say he regrets or did something wrong. I don't think I've ever heard b4nny say he's wrong.
wait this thread is still alive O_o
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zomzpreface: yes i did just make this account
this post pertains more to they hungry hypocrite video but I thought i'd post it here because post relevance doesn't seem to be highly valued atm
I wanted to gain some clear/reasonable insight as to why b4nny deserves all this shit. I understand if you hate him, but I think it would be more polite/compassionate to keep that to yourself.
heres some arguing/conversation points i hope i can get some responses too:
-b4nny seems to have (almost) never PERSONALLY INSULTED someone. Regrettably, there is that european phrase. I cant think of any other relevant examples however. And, honestly, beneath his ego (we all have egos, dont the wrong idea) it would be a safe assumption to think that he regrets saying that.
-the hungry hypocrite video is very demeaning, and honestly I think anyone in this community would feel kinda sad should a similar thing happen towards them
-yes, he does yell at players in pugs. I wish he didn't but thats just who he is, and he does so because he likes to play the game in an understandably serious way. But comparing yelling at high open/im players and above to yelling at new players is ridiculous, is it not?
-Continuing an earlier point: he keeps his insults 'inside the realm of tf2'. With that said, I think it would be unhealthy to take somebody shouting 'youre bad' too seriously. In fact, it almost seems to indicate something negative about your ego, that you cannot take criticism and resort to personal insults/hate
In conclusion, it is completely fine to dislike someone but to condone the ban b4nny and hypocrite video stuff is honestly just plain mean. I hope to encourage constructive argument/dialogue and really hope to gain some insight and maybe maybe moderate some people towards lesser hate. Feel free to troll me with 'b4nny sub' but maybe reply with substance???
thanks
Whilst I think some of the abuse B4nny gets is sometimes OTT and a lot of players act like pricks in games, the bolded statement really doesn't wash I'm afraid.
[quote=zomz][i]preface: yes i did just make this account
[/i]
this post pertains more to they hungry hypocrite video but I thought i'd post it here because post relevance doesn't seem to be highly valued atm
I wanted to gain some clear/reasonable insight as to why b4nny deserves all this shit. I understand if you hate him, but I think it would be more polite/compassionate to keep that to yourself.
[b]heres some arguing/conversation points i hope i can get some responses too:[/b]
-b4nny seems to have (almost) never PERSONALLY INSULTED someone. Regrettably, there is that european phrase. I cant think of any other relevant examples however. And, honestly, beneath his ego (we all have egos, dont the wrong idea) it would be a safe assumption to think that he regrets saying that.
-the hungry hypocrite video is very demeaning, and honestly I think anyone in this community would feel kinda sad should a similar thing happen towards them
-yes, he does yell at players in pugs. I wish he didn't [b]but thats just who he is[/b], and he does so because he likes to play the game in an understandably serious way. But comparing yelling at high open/im players and above to yelling at new players is ridiculous, is it not?
-Continuing an earlier point: he keeps his insults 'inside the realm of tf2'. With that said, I think it would be unhealthy to take somebody shouting 'youre bad' too seriously. In fact, it almost seems to indicate something negative about [i]your[/i] ego, that you cannot take criticism and resort to personal insults/hate
In conclusion, it is completely fine to dislike someone but to condone the ban b4nny and hypocrite video stuff is honestly just plain mean. I hope to encourage constructive argument/dialogue and really hope to gain some insight and maybe maybe moderate some people towards lesser hate. Feel free to troll me with 'b4nny sub' but maybe reply with substance???
thanks[/quote]
Whilst I think some of the abuse B4nny gets is sometimes OTT and a lot of players act like pricks in games, the bolded statement really doesn't wash I'm afraid.
pendaIf b4nny regretted anything he would apologize for it and/or say he regrets or did something wrong. I don't think I've ever heard b4nny say he's wrong.
Yeah, I wish he would apologize too. But, like everyone else, he has an ego getting in the way of that. I concede to you in that, however, my main point is that all this ban b4nny/hypocrite shit is really, really mean (for lack of better words haha).
[quote=penda]If b4nny regretted anything he would apologize for it and/or say he regrets or did something wrong. I don't think I've ever heard b4nny say he's wrong.[/quote]
Yeah, I wish he would apologize too. But, like everyone else, he has an ego getting in the way of that. I concede to you in that, however, my main point is that all this ban b4nny/hypocrite shit is really, really mean (for lack of better words haha).
see, i mean the two responses I just got right now are reasonable. You guys may not like him, thats totally ok. But honestly all this band wagoning hate is CRAZY and it really moreover just seems like an elaborate trolling thing that goes waaaaaay too far into literal bullying territory.
also, it's easy to just say 'it goes over the top'. However, it's not easy to deal with that bullshit everyday in pugs.
also also, in b4nny's favor, he, *to my knowledge*, seems as polite as possible in text/forum responses. Maybe in voice chat, he lets in the moment feeling get the better of him, but text seems like a better representation of someone's true intent/belief. I may be completely wrong and I just put a fat hole in my argument haha but ill take the risk.
does anyone disagree??? I really shouldve just posted this I guess, I just wanted to cover all my bases I suppose.
see, i mean the two responses I just got right now are reasonable. You guys may not like him, thats totally ok. But honestly all this band wagoning hate is CRAZY and it really moreover just seems like an elaborate trolling thing that goes waaaaaay too far into literal bullying territory.
also, it's easy to just say 'it goes over the top'. However, it's not easy to deal with that bullshit everyday in pugs.
also also, in b4nny's favor, he, *to my knowledge*, seems as polite as possible in text/forum responses. Maybe in voice chat, he lets in the moment feeling get the better of him, but text seems like a better representation of someone's true intent/belief. I may be completely wrong and I just put a fat hole in my argument haha but ill take the risk.
does anyone disagree??? I really shouldve just posted this I guess, I just wanted to cover all my bases I suppose.