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doesn't meat straight up require more resources because of the 10% rule or whatever thingy from biology class that thing was called

LFT (vegan teams only pls)

http://www.nursingdegree.net/blog/19/57-health-benefits-of-going-vegan/

http://www.npr.org/2010/08/02/128849908/food-for-thought-meat-based-diet-made-us-smarter

also pretty sure the "healthiest" diet would include some fish/white meats

Uhhh no. Good for them, they want animals to be treated more fairly, now about the literal billion + people on this planet that are in almost worse conditions then the average cow. Go do something for those people and yes you can take moral high ground, but I dont see many people doing anything.

Edit: Holy fuck those are some biased and leading questions.

That article is about evolutionary benefits, it has nothing to do with meat eating being healthier than veganism or not.

so they're pussies because they don't go to the meat section of a supermarket?

so basically if you don't do something about literally every moral issue on the planet you can't take a position on any single one of them

I doubt these people are old enough to do their own grocery shopping.

Guess I should've been a bit clearer as to why I posted that.

A omnivore diet is a lot more beneficial to a species as a whole than any other form of diet period. Even ignoring that if it wasn't for our ancestors eating meat we wouldn't be able to use our understanding on how to cook let alone understanding the impact of eating meat vs plants.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-countries-with-the-healthiest-diets-2016-4/
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/high-life-expectancy-in-japan-partly-down-to-diet-carbohydrates-vegetables-fruit-fish-meat-a6956011.html

Looking at what diets are the healthiest and which countries have the highest life expectancy you'll see that the healthiest diets tend to be ones that are mostly Grains + vegetables and a decent amount of fish and lean meats. Is being vegan better than the standard american diet? Yes, it most certainly is but a well balanced diet typical of Japan? doubtful.

you can take a position on whatever you like but this survey outright says that vegans are better people than meat eaters. you cant take a moral high ground on not eating animals if you don't also do stuff to help people in dire straits

Some people treat the way they eat like religious extremists treat their beliefs.

Again, that might be true, but humanity is beyond the point where evolution would noticably take place based on people's choice of diet (I'm talking about modern countries, obviously). Since even dumb people with the unhealthiest lifestyles live long enough to reproduce, evolution doesn't weed them out, and this point becomes kinda moot.

I agree with that. I don't think that vegan is the healthiest diet there is, I just don't like it when people think you can't be healthy without eating meat.

What about abortion??

ethical discussion on tftv. ........ . ............

just eat whatever the fuck you want to

it's not like someone getting on a soapbox over the internet for a vegan diet will stop a meat-eater from eating meat or vice-versa

if you like it, then eat it, if you don't like it, then don't eat it

real question here: are you still a vegan if you swallow cum?

It's misleading to just link life expectancy to diet as if what you eat is the only factor going into it. For example, rich countries tend to have good healthcare, which lets people live longer. On the other hand, richer countries also tend to consume higher amounts of fast food, so if you just thoughtlessly look for correlations, I'm pretty sure you'd end up finding a link between life expectancy and consumption of fatty snack foods.

OP's survey isn't particularly well constructed either. Already question two, "Are you aware of the ethical benefits regarding having a plant based diet", implies that there is one unanimously agreed upon set of ethical issues with consuming animal products, which is just wrong. I personally don't think it's immoral to kill animals to eat them, and as long as it doesn't cross the line into outright animal cruelty, I'm perfectly fine with industrial livestock farming. With that said, there's a host of environmental issues that farming exacerbates (I still eat meat, so I'm a huge hypocrite about this), but OP probably put his main focus on those when assembling his questionnaire. Similarly, "the diseases associated with eating meat and dairy" is very unclear. It honestly comes off like push polling more than everything else.

With that said, it's still stupid to get defensive as soon as someone suggests that the current meat consumption in western coutnries is unsustainable in the long run. I can't wait for ground beef to be replaced by fake meat and for steak to be grown in a petri dish, those seem like the only realistic solutions.

Being a vegetarian is understandable, being vegan is not. People didn't drink and eat animal products because it was cool. How lame do you think the first person to ever drink white cow piss was? No, they did it because they figured out it gave them energy to do stuff. There is a reason veganism has the reputation of making people feel and look unhealthy.

remember eating meat is bad for you but spending 50+ hours every 2 weeks in front of your computer isn't

It's completely understandable. Most people do it because they are against animal cruelty. Buying milk and dairy products still supports animal farms where animals are often kept in bad conditions. How hard is that to understand?

Fair point. I don't agree that putting yourself into an unhealthy diet is justified for it, but I see where you're coming from. Kind of. Question. If you knew for a fact that a farm treated their livestock nicely, would you buy animal products off of them?

Alright that's all fine and dandy, but how does it make them any more moral or better then any other person? Especially with all of the other fucked up shit going on in this world. If the animal cruelty hill is the one you want to stand on go for it, but it doesn't make you any better or any worse then any of the other 7 billion people with their own moral hills.

my grandmother is vegetarian but she eats fish like bitch fish have feelings too

not really fish are stupid lol

alot of these benefits have nothing to do with going vegan
take these for example

Osteoporosis. Bone health depends on a balance of neither too much or too little protein, adequate calcium intake, high potassium, and low sodium. With a healthy vegan diet, all four of these points set a perfect scenario for preventing osteoporosis.
Body Mass Index. Several population studies show that a diet without meat leads to lower BMIs–usually an indicator of a healthy weight and lack of fat on the body.

Weight loss. A healthy weight loss is a typical result of a smart vegan diet. Eating vegan eliminates most of the unhealthy foods that tend to cause weight issues. Read more about weight loss and a vegan diet here.
none of these follow from being vegan it's more just eating correctly

and many others are just dum
Cholesterol. Eliminating any food that comes from an animal and you will eliminate all dietary cholesterol from your diet. Your heart will thank you for that.
not all cholesterol is created equal some cholesterol is good some is bad simply reducing cholesterol is not necessarily going to benefit your health

Sugar. Most people have heard that Americans consume way too much sugar. Relying on other sweeteners that are not synthetic, processed, or derived from animal products is a healthier way to eat. Many vegans do not eat processed sugar due to the fact that most of the cane sugar is refined through activated charcoal, most of which comes from animal bones.
cane sugar is just as bad for you some "synthetic" sweeteners such as erythritol are actually much better for you than sugar

Fat-free. Vegan eating is typically pretty low in fats anyway, but the FatFree Vegan Kitchen shows you how to make some delicious vegan food that is always fat free.
fat in the right amount is not bad for you, being fat free however could have negative effects https://medlineplus.gov/ency/patientinstructions/000104.htm

Why does eating meat even mean you support animal cruelty. Sure there are factory farms that could easily be considered cruel, but there's also free range farms where animal live a good life and then get killed and eaten, that's not cruel that the natural order these are prey animals who are meant to be eaten.

Animal fats and proteins are an essential part of the diet of anybody who isn't a dyel numale

soy has turned your body into a pathetic doughy graveyard

Sure. I don't really have a problem with killing animals for food if it's done cleanly and painlessly, and if they had an okay life previously (weren't crammed into tight cages, had food shoved down their troat, etc).

That's the thing, I never said that, and I don't think that being a vegan suddenly makes a person better than others. You are twisting my words. All I'm saying is, I consider being a vegan a positive character trait. The same way that I consider smoking to be a bad trait. That doesn't mean I consider all vegans to be better than all smokers.