Title says it all. I'm debating over the DA2013 and the G402. I have pretty small hands and use kind of a hybrid of palm and finger grip. The price for both in Canada are $50 and I don't really want to spend anymore on that.
EDIT: Decided on the DA because it would fit my hand better and since I don't really like extra side buttons. Thank you to all the people that commented.
Title says it all. I'm debating over the DA2013 and the G402. I have pretty small hands and use kind of a hybrid of palm and finger grip. The price for both in Canada are $50 and I don't really want to spend anymore on that.
EDIT: Decided on the DA because it would fit my hand better and since I don't really like extra side buttons. Thank you to all the people that commented.
I have had the same Deathadder 2013 for so many years now. It's still working, and it's the very best. Would recommend DA2013 :)
I have had the same Deathadder 2013 for so many years now. It's still working, and it's the very best. Would recommend DA2013 :)
My Deathadder 2013 is still with me since 2013 and I would not replace it for anything.
My hands are small and I can palm grip it just fine.
My Deathadder 2013 is still with me since 2013 and I would not replace it for anything.
My hands are small and I can palm grip it just fine.
g402 all the way, i have one and ive had 2012 deathadder, and id say i like the g402 over it, good fps mouse. I have also had the zowie ec-1a, and i actually like the g402 over that as well. and i use only palm grip.
g402 all the way, i have one and ive had 2012 deathadder, and id say i like the g402 over it, good fps mouse. I have also had the zowie ec-1a, and i actually like the g402 over that as well. and i use only palm grip.
To be honest, the quality of most Logitech mice is much better than Razer mice. I have used the Razer Mamba and DA2013 for years until a few years ago, when I switched to the G402. The G402 has been serving me very well up until recently, when I picked up the G403 which is an amazing mouse (although a little overpriced).
Try both mice if you can and see which you like most. Its largely up to personal preference imo
To be honest, the quality of most Logitech mice is much better than Razer mice. I have used the Razer Mamba and DA2013 for years until a few years ago, when I switched to the G402. The G402 has been serving me very well up until recently, when I picked up the G403 which is an amazing mouse (although a little overpriced).
Try both mice if you can and see which you like most. Its largely up to personal preference imo
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rrX3wkPCQBgYen9GXGgNW2m0Qd1GsensCCvl9sUS5-4/
this is how i decide what mouse i get
I've had both, also with a combined claw/palm grip. My Deathadder died on me in just over a year. The g402 was up next, I liked that more than the Deathadder due to the additional side buttons (I started to rely on those a lot), however my M1 started sticking and then stopped working entirely. I think I'm pretty hard on my mice as I tend to press and hold M1 pretty firmly for long periods of time, not sure.
I have the g403 now and it's also pretty great, lasting so far... it seems mice only last me a year. :P
I've had both, also with a combined claw/palm grip. My Deathadder died on me in just over a year. The g402 was up next, I liked that more than the Deathadder due to the additional side buttons (I started to rely on those a lot), however my M1 started sticking and then stopped working entirely. I think I'm pretty hard on my mice as I tend to press and hold M1 pretty firmly for long periods of time, not sure.
I have the g403 now and it's also pretty great, lasting so far... it seems mice only last me a year. :P
DA2013 is a very solid choice, good for claw/fingertip grips
DA2013 is a very solid choice, good for claw/fingertip grips
I have fairly large hands but use the same grip as you and I liked the deathadder for a while. Stopped using it after having to replace it every 4 months though.
I have fairly large hands but use the same grip as you and I liked the deathadder for a while. Stopped using it after having to replace it every 4 months though.
Deathadder is fine but the mouse feet for it are atrociously small. Logitech would seem the better option imo.
Deathadder is fine but the mouse feet for it are atrociously small. Logitech would seem the better option imo.
Had the g402 for about a year, really nice shape when you get used to it. Relatively lightweight. I guess i used a finger-grip? Now moved on to a 403 and it's really nice.
Had the g402 for about a year, really nice shape when you get used to it. Relatively lightweight. I guess i used a finger-grip? Now moved on to a 403 and it's really nice.
g402 all the way, I've had it for 2 years now and no problem so far
g402 all the way, I've had it for 2 years now and no problem so far
This is a story of a boy and his death adder (not the 2013 edition, but the 3500).
I bought the mouse in 2010. I used it until just a few months ago when a friend sent me a new one after I told them this story.
The mouse feet are indeed very small, and they will wear down after 2-3 years, I assume it would be worse on a "control" type mouse pad surface that is more abrasive. The easiest replacement is to experiment with different kinds of tape - duct tape and masking tape give you more control, whereas scotch, packing, or electric tape gives you more glide. You don't have to do that straight away, but after a few years you'll want to, especially if you have to take the mouse apart to clean it (you have to take the feet off to accomplish this).
Eventually your m1 will die due to wear, just sand down the plunger with a nail file and it will work again - like new.
The Synapse software they want you to use is not very stable, and I would recommend against having it turn on on start up if you aren't using an SSD because it likes to hang on start up a lot and lag up your computer's startup routine - at least for me, perhaps it's because I was using a legacy mouse.
The only real flaw in the design of the mouse though, is the very smooth sides of the mouse, if you play for an exceedingly long time it gets pretty slippery - I used fine grit sandpaper to correct this so that it would be a little more rough. The downside is it collects dirt better when it's no longer smooth so you end up cleaning the mouse more.
The mouse itself is pretty big - but you could likely still use it with small hands as the m1/m2 can be clicked from rather far back on the mouse itself.
This is a story of a boy and his death adder (not the 2013 edition, but the 3500).
I bought the mouse in 2010. I used it until just a few months ago when a friend sent me a new one after I told them this story.
The mouse feet are indeed very small, and they will wear down after 2-3 years, I assume it would be worse on a "control" type mouse pad surface that is more abrasive. The easiest replacement is to experiment with different kinds of tape - duct tape and masking tape give you more control, whereas scotch, packing, or electric tape gives you more glide. You don't have to do that straight away, but after a few years you'll want to, especially if you have to take the mouse apart to clean it (you have to take the feet off to accomplish this).
Eventually your m1 will die due to wear, just sand down the plunger with a nail file and it will work again - like new.
The Synapse software they want you to use is not very stable, and I would recommend against having it turn on on start up if you aren't using an SSD because it likes to hang on start up a lot and lag up your computer's startup routine - at least for me, perhaps it's because I was using a legacy mouse.
The only real flaw in the design of the mouse though, is the very smooth sides of the mouse, if you play for an exceedingly long time it gets pretty slippery - I used fine grit sandpaper to correct this so that it would be a little more rough. The downside is it collects dirt better when it's no longer smooth so you end up cleaning the mouse more.
The mouse itself is pretty big - but you could likely still use it with small hands as the m1/m2 can be clicked from rather far back on the mouse itself.
If my option was limited to just the 2 I'd pick the G402. But honestly you should consider the wired version of the G403 if you're considering any Logitech vs a Deathadder
also if mouse feet is an issue check and see if someone else makes them
http://www.hyperglide.net/?hg=paypal-na
hyperglide makes pretty good mouse feet, and they cover a large range of gaming mice both old and new, only downside it can take a week or 2 for the feet to get to you at least in NA.
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MarxistThe mouse feet are indeed very small, and they will wear down after 2-3 years, I assume it would be worse on a "control" type mouse pad surface that is more abrasive. The easiest replacement is to experiment with different kinds of tape - duct tape and masking tape give you more control, whereas scotch, packing, or electric tape gives you more glide. You don't have to do that straight away, but after a few years you'll want to, especially if you have to take the mouse apart to clean it (you have to take the feet off to accomplish this).
PTFE mouse tape can be got for about $5-15 depending on thickness and amount, also heating up the mouse feet before removing them makes the process a lot easier and typically you can put them back in place with no problem.
MarxistEventually your m1 will die due to wear, just sand down the plunger with a nail file and it will work again - like new.
This is the point where you should consider getting a new mouse lol.
MarxistThe Synapse software they want you to use is not very stable, and I would recommend against having it turn on on start up if you aren't using an SSD because it likes to hang on start up a lot and lag up your computer's startup routine - at least for me, perhaps it's because I was using a legacy mouse.
Synapse is a nightmare, most people setup their mouse and uninstall it...
MarxistThe only real flaw in the design of the mouse though, is the very smooth sides of the mouse, if you play for an exceedingly long time it gets pretty slippery - I used fine grit sandpaper to correct this so that it would be a little more rough. The downside is it collects dirt better when it's no longer smooth so you end up cleaning the mouse more.
Most mice end up being like this, my G400s after a few years of use has a really smoothed out/slippery area where the thumb usually is
If my option was limited to just the 2 I'd pick the G402. But honestly you should consider the wired version of the G403 if you're considering any Logitech vs a Deathadder
also if mouse feet is an issue check and see if someone else makes them
http://www.hyperglide.net/?hg=paypal-na
hyperglide makes pretty good mouse feet, and they cover a large range of gaming mice both old and new, only downside it can take a week or 2 for the feet to get to you at least in NA.
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[quote=Marxist]The mouse feet are indeed very small, and they will wear down after 2-3 years, I assume it would be worse on a "control" type mouse pad surface that is more abrasive. The easiest replacement is to experiment with different kinds of tape - duct tape and masking tape give you more control, whereas scotch, packing, or electric tape gives you more glide. You don't have to do that straight away, but after a few years you'll want to, especially if you have to take the mouse apart to clean it (you have to take the feet off to accomplish this).[/quote]
PTFE mouse tape can be got for about $5-15 depending on thickness and amount, also heating up the mouse feet before removing them makes the process a lot easier and typically you can put them back in place with no problem.
[quote=Marxist]Eventually your m1 will die due to wear, just sand down the plunger with a nail file and it will work again - like new. [/quote]
This is the point where you should consider getting a new mouse lol.
[quote=Marxist]The Synapse software they want you to use is not very stable, and I would recommend against having it turn on on start up if you aren't using an SSD because it likes to hang on start up a lot and lag up your computer's startup routine - at least for me, perhaps it's because I was using a legacy mouse.[/quote]
Synapse is a nightmare, most people setup their mouse and uninstall it...
[quote=Marxist]The only real flaw in the design of the mouse though, is the very smooth sides of the mouse, if you play for an exceedingly long time it gets pretty slippery - I used fine grit sandpaper to correct this so that it would be a little more rough. The downside is it collects dirt better when it's no longer smooth so you end up cleaning the mouse more.[/quote]
Most mice end up being like this, my G400s after a few years of use has a really smoothed out/slippery area where the thumb usually is
ComangliaMarxistThe mouse feet are indeed very small, and they will wear down after 2-3 years, I assume it would be worse on a "control" type mouse pad surface that is more abrasive. The easiest replacement is to experiment with different kinds of tape - duct tape and masking tape give you more control, whereas scotch, packing, or electric tape gives you more glide. You don't have to do that straight away, but after a few years you'll want to, especially if you have to take the mouse apart to clean it (you have to take the feet off to accomplish this).
PTFE mouse tape can be got for about $5-15 depending on thickness and amount, also heating up the mouse feet before removing them makes the process a lot easier and typically you can put them back in place with no problem.
mouse tape is pretty horrible, aftermarket mouse feet are way better than any kind of tape and they aren't that expensive.
ComangliaMarxistThe only real flaw in the design of the mouse though, is the very smooth sides of the mouse, if you play for an exceedingly long time it gets pretty slippery - I used fine grit sandpaper to correct this so that it would be a little more rough. The downside is it collects dirt better when it's no longer smooth so you end up cleaning the mouse more.
Most mice end up being like this, my G400s after a few years of use has a really smoothed out/slippery area where the thumb usually is
nah its not wear they are just like that from the start. the slippery sides on the old deathadders is really gross. I think the 2013 and newer ones have rubber.
@op I would get the deathadder 2013. (I only used 2x older death adder and g403 though).
like 3/5 of the best aimers I've seen use DA. 2013 is arguably the best version. DA has great clicks (so does the logi probably). DA has a simpler design. and it weighs less. I don't like the side buttons on the DA, they are too big/bad placement for me, but if you have smaller hands might be comfy. they are both large mice though
[quote=Comanglia]
[quote=Marxist]The mouse feet are indeed very small, and they will wear down after 2-3 years, I assume it would be worse on a "control" type mouse pad surface that is more abrasive. The easiest replacement is to experiment with different kinds of tape - duct tape and masking tape give you more control, whereas scotch, packing, or electric tape gives you more glide. You don't have to do that straight away, but after a few years you'll want to, especially if you have to take the mouse apart to clean it (you have to take the feet off to accomplish this).[/quote]
PTFE mouse tape can be got for about $5-15 depending on thickness and amount, also heating up the mouse feet before removing them makes the process a lot easier and typically you can put them back in place with no problem.
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mouse tape is pretty horrible, aftermarket mouse feet are way better than any kind of tape and they aren't that expensive.
[quote=Comanglia]
[quote=Marxist]The only real flaw in the design of the mouse though, is the very smooth sides of the mouse, if you play for an exceedingly long time it gets pretty slippery - I used fine grit sandpaper to correct this so that it would be a little more rough. The downside is it collects dirt better when it's no longer smooth so you end up cleaning the mouse more.[/quote]
Most mice end up being like this, my G400s after a few years of use has a really smoothed out/slippery area where the thumb usually is[/quote]
nah its not wear they are just like that from the start. the slippery sides on the old deathadders is really gross. I think the 2013 and newer ones have rubber.
@op I would get the deathadder 2013. (I only used 2x older death adder and g403 though).
like 3/5 of the best aimers I've seen use DA. 2013 is arguably the best version. DA has great clicks (so does the logi probably). DA has a simpler design. and it weighs less. I don't like the side buttons on the DA, they are too big/bad placement for me, but if you have smaller hands might be comfy. they are both large mice though
wonderlandComangliaPTFE mouse tape can be got for about $5-15 depending on thickness and amount, also heating up the mouse feet before removing them makes the process a lot easier and typically you can put them back in place with no problem.
mouse tape is pretty horrible, aftermarket mouse feet are way better than any kind of tape and they aren't that expensive.
to be fair I did mention hyperglide mouse feet, and he was talking about using shit like duct tape and electrical tape...
wonderland@op I would get the deathadder 2013. (I only used 2x older death adder and g403 though).
like 3/5 of the best aimers I've seen use DA. 2013 is arguably the best version. DA has great clicks (so does the logi probably). DA has a simpler design. and it weighs less. I don't like the side buttons on the DA, they are too big/bad placement for me, but if you have smaller hands might be comfy. they are both large mice though
Curious questions who are the 5 best aimers you've ever seen? Any/all games.
[quote=wonderland][quote=Comanglia]
PTFE mouse tape can be got for about $5-15 depending on thickness and amount, also heating up the mouse feet before removing them makes the process a lot easier and typically you can put them back in place with no problem.
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mouse tape is pretty horrible, aftermarket mouse feet are way better than any kind of tape and they aren't that expensive.[/quote]
to be fair I did mention hyperglide mouse feet, and he was talking about using shit like duct tape and electrical tape...
[quote=wonderland]@op I would get the deathadder 2013. (I only used 2x older death adder and g403 though).
like 3/5 of the best aimers I've seen use DA. 2013 is arguably the best version. DA has great clicks (so does the logi probably). DA has a simpler design. and it weighs less. I don't like the side buttons on the DA, they are too big/bad placement for me, but if you have smaller hands might be comfy. they are both large mice though[/quote]
Curious questions who are the 5 best aimers you've ever seen? Any/all games.
I already have duct tape and electrical tape and it works just as well - my preference is actually scotch tape because I'm a high sens kinda guy and scotch tape is pretty slippery :D
I'm all about not spending 5$ on stuff I'll never use very much or have to wait to ship.
The little white mouse feet of the DA will prolly last 2-3 years before you start noticing an increase in the amount of drag - if you're a low sens user you likely won't notice/care at all - if anything your performance will get better with age lol.
I already have duct tape and electrical tape and it works just as well - my preference is actually scotch tape because I'm a high sens kinda guy and scotch tape is pretty slippery :D
I'm all about not spending 5$ on stuff I'll never use very much or have to wait to ship.
The little white mouse feet of the DA will prolly last 2-3 years before you start noticing an increase in the amount of drag - if you're a low sens user you likely won't notice/care at all - if anything your performance will get better with age lol.
MarxistI already have duct tape and electrical tape and it works just as well - my preference is actually scotch tape because I'm a high sens kinda guy and scotch tape is pretty slippery :D
I'm all about not spending 5$ on stuff I'll never use very much or have to wait to ship.
The little white mouse feet of the DA will prolly last 2-3 years before you start noticing an increase in the amount of drag - if you're a low sens user you likely won't notice/care at all - if anything your performance will get better with age lol.
You know you could order the hyperglides for like maybe $10 and you will have mouse feet that will last for years, and while you wait for you can use the scotch tape lol.
[quote=Marxist]I already have duct tape and electrical tape and it works just as well - my preference is actually scotch tape because I'm a high sens kinda guy and scotch tape is pretty slippery :D
I'm all about not spending 5$ on stuff I'll never use very much or have to wait to ship.
The little white mouse feet of the DA will prolly last 2-3 years before you start noticing an increase in the amount of drag - if you're a low sens user you likely won't notice/care at all - if anything your performance will get better with age lol.[/quote]
You know you could order the hyperglides for like maybe $10 and you will have mouse feet that will last for years, and while you wait for you can use the scotch tape lol.
ComangliaCurious questions who are the 5 best aimers you've ever seen? Any/all games.
sure but pls dont take this list too serious its not something I keep saved in a notepad and obsess about @_@
yz50 is the best aimer I've played with in quake (I played with most everyone in NA, even like kgb didn't have as good aim as him) uses deathadder+qck.
clockwork for tf2. no idea what mouse but im pretty sure its not a da.
tox (quake). uses wmo+icemat and keyboard to shoot.
scream from cs. well he uses scream finalmouse now. but before that he had DA 2013 and IE 3.0
kephrii. overwatch, uses da+goliathus speed.
so basically yz is the best aim ive seen in person, then 1 from each game.
there's a lot more people who have neat hitscan aim I can think of like k1llsen, sheep, er0s, iddqd (funny enough 2 of these guys used g9x)
projectile aim is completely different
ComangliaYou know you could order the hyperglides for like maybe $10 and you will have mouse feet that will last for years, and while you wait for you can use the scotch tape lol.
yup or get like a 50 pack from ebay from china for $5.
or get puretrak hd which last forever cause they are thick
[quote=Comanglia]Curious questions who are the 5 best aimers you've ever seen? Any/all games.[/quote]
sure but pls dont take this list too serious its not something I keep saved in a notepad and obsess about @_@
yz50 is the best aimer I've played with in quake (I played with most everyone in NA, even like kgb didn't have as good aim as him) uses deathadder+qck.
clockwork for tf2. no idea what mouse but im pretty sure its not a da.
tox (quake). uses wmo+icemat and keyboard to shoot.
scream from cs. well he uses scream finalmouse now. but before that he had DA 2013 and IE 3.0
kephrii. overwatch, uses da+goliathus speed.
so basically yz is the best aim ive seen in person, then 1 from each game.
there's a lot more people who have neat hitscan aim I can think of like k1llsen, sheep, er0s, iddqd (funny enough 2 of these guys used g9x)
projectile aim is completely different
[quote=Comanglia]
You know you could order the hyperglides for like maybe $10 and you will have mouse feet that will last for years, and while you wait for you can use the scotch tape lol.[/quote]
yup or get like a 50 pack from ebay from china for $5.
or get puretrak hd which last forever cause they are thick
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when i read the title it evoked a strong emotional response from me. the only two gaming mice i've ever owned have been the deathadder 2013 and the g402. my deathadder's side grip's adhesive was wearing off and i would have to put it back on from time to time, on top of this, the mouse feet peeled off (also a sticker on the bottom iirc?). it was only until the sensor of my deathadder started to fuck up is when i bought a new mouse. instead of buying another deathadder 2013, the logical choice, i figured i'd try out a logitech mouse, the g402. if you're a low sens gamer who flicks alot (ie playing soldier), then the g402's sensor, in my experience, will mess around all over the place. plus, the mouse gets dusty for some reason, even though i use it all the time, i still need to wipe it for dust every week, primarily on the front.
furthermore, the side grip and side button placement is really nice. when i first picked up my deathadder i would use turn binds for surf 24/7, using any other mouse would be impossible for me to surf with because of my reliance on turn binds. on top of having bound mouse4 & mouse5 to +left and +right, i would have two other buttons on my keyboard bound to change yawspeeds, 100-210-300-- i was VERY reliant on the efficacy of the side buttons. when i switched to tf2, this habit kept with me, eventually only using it on soldier for rocket jumping.
i didn't account for the change in position of the side buttons from mouse to mouse and the effect it would have on my gameplay. however, to be unbias and fair, i'm sure if i started with the g402 i could potentially have been just as comfortable using the deathadder side buttons. its just that, the deathadder side buttons are so good, comfortable, and easy to use, assuming your thumb is rested near the top of the side grip.
this is just my opinion--i would like to say, in general, i'm pretty ignorant when it comes to objective hardware quality and advantage from one peripheral to the next, and i'm not going to feign anything resembling literacy. so, in terms of specs, or anything, i have little idea
tldr: only owned these two mice, i prefer deathadder because sensor, size, and side buttons. very comfortable mouse
disgusting, poorly formatted wall of text incoming
when i read the title it evoked a strong emotional response from me. the only two gaming mice i've ever owned have been the deathadder 2013 and the g402. my deathadder's side grip's adhesive was wearing off and i would have to put it back on from time to time, on top of this, the mouse feet peeled off (also a sticker on the bottom iirc?). it was only until the sensor of my deathadder started to fuck up is when i bought a new mouse. instead of buying another deathadder 2013, the logical choice, i figured i'd try out a logitech mouse, the g402. if you're a low sens gamer who flicks alot (ie playing soldier), then the g402's sensor, in my experience, will mess around all over the place. plus, the mouse gets dusty for some reason, even though i use it all the time, i still need to wipe it for dust every week, primarily on the front.
furthermore, the side grip and side button placement is really nice. when i first picked up my deathadder i would use turn binds for surf 24/7, using any other mouse would be impossible for me to surf with because of my reliance on turn binds. on top of having bound mouse4 & mouse5 to +left and +right, i would have two other buttons on my keyboard bound to change yawspeeds, 100-210-300-- i was VERY reliant on the efficacy of the side buttons. when i switched to tf2, this habit kept with me, eventually only using it on soldier for rocket jumping.
i didn't account for the change in position of the side buttons from mouse to mouse and the effect it would have on my gameplay. however, to be unbias and fair, i'm sure if i started with the g402 i could potentially have been just as comfortable using the deathadder side buttons. its just that, the deathadder side buttons are so good, comfortable, and easy to use, assuming your thumb is rested near the top of the side grip.
this is just my opinion--i would like to say, in general, i'm pretty ignorant when it comes to objective hardware quality and advantage from one peripheral to the next, and i'm not going to feign anything resembling literacy. so, in terms of specs, or anything, i have little idea
tldr: only owned these two mice, i prefer deathadder because sensor, size, and side buttons. very comfortable mouse