well i can already tell this is gonna turn into a heated debate about what dm is all about, with that being said you now have 2 options. fogs servers or extv, if you don't like one then just play on the other or don't at all.
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well i can already tell this is gonna turn into a heated debate about what dm is all about, with that being said you now have 2 options. fogs servers or extv, if you don't like one then just play on the other or don't at all.
I'm all for removing gunboats as well, I just think bloodsire is being comically hypocritical within his own posts and doesn't seem to realize it.
I'm all for removing gunboats as well, I just think bloodsire is being comically hypocritical within his own posts and doesn't seem to realize it.
n-n-n-no m-market ga-ardener?
WHY?!?!?!?!??!!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!
;_; the servers ARE cursed
n-n-n-no m-market ga-ardener?
WHY?!?!?!?!??!!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!
;_; the servers ARE cursed
WHY?!?!?!?!??!!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!
;_; the servers ARE cursed
2sy_morphiendBombing is just a byproduct of a player attempting to hone a skill.
Do you have any idea how hypocritical you sound?
2sy_morphiendI'm all for removing gunboats as well, I just think bloodsire is being comically hypocritical within his own posts and doesn't seem to realize it
I don't see the point in arguing argument style. That is really really silly. I ignored it at first. Since you don't understand, there is something called rhetoric. Sure the points are hypocritical IF I WAS ARGUING THE PRECEDENT OF BANNING SOMETHING. Lost on you, is how I did not. Fog set that precedent. Reread what I wrote, both posts. It shows how I believe banning these things are wrong and how (under the established policy of going with bans) failing to ban these other things (while under this no tolerance policy) is doubly wrong. It should be clear that I think extvDM is the model example. None of these things are banned in extvdm. So to make my non-hypocritcal point clear: there are many "gay" things that happen in DM that is the nature of DM (see gunboats) picking and choosing which to ban and failing to ban them all is wrong, banning them all would result in a mod where you never get flanked and every fight is fair or "MGE mod"
See how silly that all was.
[quote=2sy_morphiend]Bombing is just a byproduct of a player attempting to hone a skill.
Do you have any idea how hypocritical you sound?[/quote]
[quote=2sy_morphiend]I'm all for removing gunboats as well, I just think bloodsire is being comically hypocritical within his own posts and doesn't seem to realize it[/quote]
I don't see the point in arguing argument style. That is really really silly. I ignored it at first. Since you don't understand, there is something called rhetoric. Sure the points are hypocritical IF I WAS ARGUING THE PRECEDENT OF BANNING SOMETHING. Lost on you, is how I did not. Fog set that precedent. Reread what I wrote, both posts. It shows how I believe banning these things are wrong and how (under the established policy of going with bans) failing to ban these other things (while under this no tolerance policy) is doubly wrong. It should be clear that I think extvDM is the model example. None of these things are banned in extvdm. So to make my non-hypocritcal point clear: there are many "gay" things that happen in DM that is the nature of DM (see gunboats) picking and choosing which to ban and failing to ban them all is wrong, banning them all would result in a mod where you never get flanked and every fight is fair or "MGE mod"
See how silly that all was.
Do you have any idea how hypocritical you sound?[/quote]
[quote=2sy_morphiend]I'm all for removing gunboats as well, I just think bloodsire is being comically hypocritical within his own posts and doesn't seem to realize it[/quote]
I don't see the point in arguing argument style. That is really really silly. I ignored it at first. Since you don't understand, there is something called rhetoric. Sure the points are hypocritical IF I WAS ARGUING THE PRECEDENT OF BANNING SOMETHING. Lost on you, is how I did not. Fog set that precedent. Reread what I wrote, both posts. It shows how I believe banning these things are wrong and how (under the established policy of going with bans) failing to ban these other things (while under this no tolerance policy) is doubly wrong. It should be clear that I think extvDM is the model example. None of these things are banned in extvdm. So to make my non-hypocritcal point clear: there are many "gay" things that happen in DM that is the nature of DM (see gunboats) picking and choosing which to ban and failing to ban them all is wrong, banning them all would result in a mod where you never get flanked and every fight is fair or "MGE mod"
See how silly that all was.
-Fixed sticky limit in Chicago DM server
-Fixed some weapons not being white-listed that should have been
-Removed Gunboats
-Fixed sticky limit in Chicago DM server
-Fixed some weapons not being white-listed that should have been
-Removed Gunboats
-Fixed some weapons not being white-listed that should have been
-Removed Gunboats
can you remove the demo shields if youre gonna get rid of gunboats
thanks
can you remove the demo shields if youre gonna get rid of gunboats
thanks
thanks
Wreathcan you remove the demo shields if youre gonna get rid of gunboats
thanks
Should already be banned
[quote=Wreath]can you remove the demo shields if youre gonna get rid of gunboats
thanks[/quote] Should already be banned
thanks[/quote] Should already be banned
well, i was in dallas about ~2 hours ago and someone was using the charge + eyelander
dunno if you fixed it since then
FIXED THANK YOU :>
[s]well, i was in dallas about ~2 hours ago and someone was using the charge + eyelander
dunno if you fixed it since then[/s]
FIXED THANK YOU :>
dunno if you fixed it since then[/s]
FIXED THANK YOU :>
I think leaving sniper as an option could be a good thing, but only if it was headshot only. It might not work on your server though considering it's only 8 slot.
I think leaving sniper as an option could be a good thing, but only if it was headshot only. It might not work on your server though considering it's only 8 slot.
BLoodSireThe gunboats of all items should be a no brain removal. It is a unlocked that encourages bombing....bombing isn't DM.
I'm not going to fight for gunboats to stay since I'm fine with either decision, but I would like to know why I would DM, if I had a choice, with a weapon I don't use?
[quote=BLoodSire]The gunboats of all items should be a no brain removal. It is a unlocked that encourages bombing....bombing isn't DM.[/quote]
I'm not going to fight for gunboats to stay since I'm fine with either decision, but I would like to know why I would DM, if I had a choice, with a weapon I don't use?
I'm not going to fight for gunboats to stay since I'm fine with either decision, but I would like to know why I would DM, if I had a choice, with a weapon I don't use?
vanillaI think leaving sniper as an option could be a good thing, but only if it was headshot only. It might not work on your server though considering it's only 8 slot.
This might gimp things more then help them. There are typically two things that will annoy people about snipers in DM. The first is getting kill from very far away from a target that you had no ability to dodge or interact with. AKA the sniper hiding in a corner. You're idea mitigates this a fair amount, but it increases the intensity of the second point.
That is, snipers cripple a team in DM by having one less class in the fight at all times, one might argue that since it's just DM you shouldn't mind dying all the time. However most people i've talked to agree that DM is more enjoyable when both teams are similarly matched, so that you don't feel like you're pubstomping.
[quote=vanilla]I think leaving sniper as an option could be a good thing, but only if it was headshot only. It might not work on your server though considering it's only 8 slot.[/quote]
This might gimp things more then help them. There are typically two things that will annoy people about snipers in DM. The first is getting kill from very far away from a target that you had no ability to dodge or interact with. AKA the sniper hiding in a corner. You're idea mitigates this a fair amount, but it increases the intensity of the second point.
That is, snipers cripple a team in DM by having one less class in the fight at all times, one might argue that since it's just DM you shouldn't mind dying all the time. However most people i've talked to agree that DM is more enjoyable when both teams are similarly matched, so that you don't feel like you're pubstomping.
This might gimp things more then help them. There are typically two things that will annoy people about snipers in DM. The first is getting kill from very far away from a target that you had no ability to dodge or interact with. AKA the sniper hiding in a corner. You're idea mitigates this a fair amount, but it increases the intensity of the second point.
That is, snipers cripple a team in DM by having one less class in the fight at all times, one might argue that since it's just DM you shouldn't mind dying all the time. However most people i've talked to agree that DM is more enjoyable when both teams are similarly matched, so that you don't feel like you're pubstomping.
Why are we talking about 2 demos being unrealistic? A realistic midfight is 5 combat classes versus 5 combat classes, and apparently nothing could be more horrifying. The community is working hard to ensure no DMing happens on DM servers. I hope we're also editing all competitive maps to remove flanks, banning everything but scout and soldier, and bowing before entering single combat in the great MGE arena.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlv6BrrxD_4
BLoodSireBans legalized weapons in mod designed to practice skills. Doesn't ban gunboats. Considers adding loose cannon. I've seen it all. When does the soldier v scout mod come out?
I'll be with the cool kids in extv dm.
At least I won't be alone.
Why are we talking about 2 demos being unrealistic? A realistic midfight is 5 combat classes versus 5 combat classes, and apparently nothing could be more horrifying. The community is working hard to ensure no DMing happens on DM servers. I hope we're also editing all competitive maps to remove flanks, banning everything but scout and soldier, and bowing before entering single combat in the great MGE arena.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlv6BrrxD_4[/youtube]
[quote=BLoodSire]Bans legalized weapons in mod designed to practice skills. Doesn't ban gunboats. Considers adding loose cannon. I've seen it all. When does the soldier v scout mod come out?
I'll be with the cool kids in extv dm.[/quote]
At least I won't be alone.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlv6BrrxD_4[/youtube]
[quote=BLoodSire]Bans legalized weapons in mod designed to practice skills. Doesn't ban gunboats. Considers adding loose cannon. I've seen it all. When does the soldier v scout mod come out?
I'll be with the cool kids in extv dm.[/quote]
At least I won't be alone.
AllealWhy are we talking about 2 demos being unrealistic? A realistic midfight is 5 combat classes versus 5 combat classes, and apparently nothing could be more horrifying. The community is working hard to ensure no DMing happens on DM servers. I hope we're also editing all competitive maps to remove flanks, banning everything but scout and soldier, and bowing before entering single combat in the great MGE arena.
Do you make it a point to be a massive faggot in every DM related thread or just one's involving fog's server?
Get as good as you want at bombing snipers, it won't get you out of ugc I can't believe it's not butter!™
[quote=Alleal]Why are we talking about 2 demos being unrealistic? A realistic midfight is 5 combat classes versus 5 combat classes, and apparently nothing could be more horrifying. The community is working hard to ensure no DMing happens on DM servers. I hope we're also editing all competitive maps to remove flanks, banning everything but scout and soldier, and bowing before entering single combat in the great MGE arena.
[/quote]
Do you make it a point to be a massive faggot in every DM related thread or just one's involving fog's server?
Get as good as you want at bombing snipers, it won't get you out of ugc I can't believe it's not butter!™
[/quote]
Do you make it a point to be a massive faggot in every DM related thread or just one's involving fog's server?
Get as good as you want at bombing snipers, it won't get you out of ugc I can't believe it's not butter!™
You just keep bringing up a bunch of irrelevant crap, it's honestly pretty annoying. It certainly makes me doubt that your brain pain is entirely my fault.
dfy??????????? what is there to explain, you're honestly hurting my brain here
lets take a look at the ole drawing board
ok demo most overpowered retarded class in the game = yes
lets put 2 of them on the same team = no
reduced stickies, still deals a ton of damage irregardless of 1 or 2
Yeah obviously there's not much difference between one and two stickies. Equally obviously there is a difference between eight and two. Rockets do about as much damage as stickies and are in some ways easier to hit and nobody's crying about soldiers getting four of them, and if you do the math you'll realize that two stickies aren't even enough to kill a single soldier.
As for the rest, I don't think anyone cares what other classes happen to be on your team, you can put five heavies on my team and my shots will miss or hit regardless. Spawns are random and there's no teamwork or coordination. Nor does it matter what the rules of the 6v6 format happen to be.
And finally, yes I do think you can improve by playing demo in dm, I do it regularly and I've noticed significant improvements in my own pipe aim and general understanding of player movement when doing it. Maybe you should try it yourself, in my experience the people who complain most about other classes tend to have the least experience with them.
You just keep bringing up a bunch of irrelevant crap, it's honestly pretty annoying. It certainly makes me doubt that your brain pain is entirely my fault.
[quote=dfy]??????????? what is there to explain, you're honestly hurting my brain here
lets take a look at the ole drawing board
ok demo most overpowered retarded class in the game = yes
lets put 2 of them on the same team = no
reduced stickies, still deals a ton of damage irregardless of 1 or 2[/quote]
Yeah obviously there's not much difference between one and two stickies. Equally obviously there is a difference between eight and two. Rockets do about as much damage as stickies and are in some ways easier to hit and nobody's crying about soldiers getting four of them, and if you do the math you'll realize that two stickies aren't even enough to kill a single soldier.
As for the rest, I don't think anyone cares what other classes happen to be on your team, you can put five heavies on my team and my shots will miss or hit regardless. Spawns are random and there's no teamwork or coordination. Nor does it matter what the rules of the 6v6 format happen to be.
And finally, yes I do think you can improve by playing demo in dm, I do it regularly and I've noticed significant improvements in my own pipe aim and general understanding of player movement when doing it. Maybe you should try it yourself, in my experience the people who complain most about other classes tend to have the least experience with them.
[quote=dfy]??????????? what is there to explain, you're honestly hurting my brain here
lets take a look at the ole drawing board
ok demo most overpowered retarded class in the game = yes
lets put 2 of them on the same team = no
reduced stickies, still deals a ton of damage irregardless of 1 or 2[/quote]
Yeah obviously there's not much difference between one and two stickies. Equally obviously there is a difference between eight and two. Rockets do about as much damage as stickies and are in some ways easier to hit and nobody's crying about soldiers getting four of them, and if you do the math you'll realize that two stickies aren't even enough to kill a single soldier.
As for the rest, I don't think anyone cares what other classes happen to be on your team, you can put five heavies on my team and my shots will miss or hit regardless. Spawns are random and there's no teamwork or coordination. Nor does it matter what the rules of the 6v6 format happen to be.
And finally, yes I do think you can improve by playing demo in dm, I do it regularly and I've noticed significant improvements in my own pipe aim and general understanding of player movement when doing it. Maybe you should try it yourself, in my experience the people who complain most about other classes tend to have the least experience with them.
i seriously don't understand why we're restricting standard 6s weapons in a simulated teamfight in order to bandaid the fact that shit that goes on in soap is annoying
isnt how obnoxious shit gets between demo scout and soldier just a symptom of how soap deals with spawning and kill rewards
i bet a hat that if you made each team spawn on opposite sides of mid, made the respawn time a total of 5 seconds (it's already a few seconds because of the killcam timer) and removed the kill rewards you'd have something that's significantly more fun
it wouldnt be as good for warmups because it would be slower but it would be a hell of a lot more like how fights work in real tf2
i seriously don't understand why we're restricting standard 6s weapons in a simulated teamfight in order to bandaid the fact that shit that goes on in soap is annoying
isnt how obnoxious shit gets between demo scout and soldier just a symptom of how soap deals with spawning and kill rewards
i bet a hat that if you made each team spawn on opposite sides of mid, made the respawn time a total of 5 seconds (it's already a few seconds because of the killcam timer) and removed the kill rewards you'd have something that's significantly more fun
it wouldnt be as good for warmups because it would be slower but it would be a hell of a lot more like how fights work in real tf2
isnt how obnoxious shit gets between demo scout and soldier just a symptom of how soap deals with spawning and kill rewards
i bet a hat that if you made each team spawn on opposite sides of mid, made the respawn time a total of 5 seconds (it's already a few seconds because of the killcam timer) and removed the kill rewards you'd have something that's significantly more fun
it wouldnt be as good for warmups because it would be slower but it would be a hell of a lot more like how fights work in real tf2
It's DM, just shoot people. There's no reason to have stupid unlocks that provide no benefit to anyone actually trying to improve despite said unlocks being legal in ESEA (market gardner, gunboats)
Was really enjoying my time in your servers today Fog, and these changes will make it even better. Keep up the good work dude.
It's DM, just shoot people. There's no reason to have stupid unlocks that provide no benefit to anyone actually trying to improve despite said unlocks being legal in ESEA (market gardner, gunboats)
Was really enjoying my time in your servers today Fog, and these changes will make it even better. Keep up the good work dude.
Was really enjoying my time in your servers today Fog, and these changes will make it even better. Keep up the good work dude.
Server would be just about perfect if it wasn't for no sniper :/ Also, I feel like when most people talk about how " ___ unlock is dumb because it doesn't apply to real games, " forget that 6v6 is not the only competitive format worth practicing for.
Server would be just about perfect if it wasn't for no sniper :/ Also, I feel like when most people talk about how " ___ unlock is dumb because it doesn't apply to real games, " forget that 6v6 is not the only competitive format worth practicing for.
BLoodSirefree the snipers...get the headshot only plugin
I guess the cool kids' club wasn't good enough?
[quote=BLoodSire]free the snipers...get the headshot only plugin[/quote]
I guess the cool kids' club wasn't good enough?
I guess the cool kids' club wasn't good enough?
BLoodSirefree the snipers...get the headshot only plugin
I don't know if you were here for the last thread, but the main reason they're banning sniper is because they think he's useless to the team, not because they don't like getting bodyshot.
[quote=BLoodSire]free the snipers...get the headshot only plugin[/quote]
I don't know if you were here for the last thread, but the main reason they're banning sniper is because they think he's useless to the team, not because they don't like getting bodyshot.
I don't know if you were here for the last thread, but the main reason they're banning sniper is because they think he's useless to the team, not because they don't like getting bodyshot.
http://www.vanillatf2.org/2011/10/commentary-dm-mge/
there's everything that needs to be said, glad I kept this around
http://www.vanillatf2.org/2011/10/commentary-dm-mge/
there's everything that needs to be said, glad I kept this around
there's everything that needs to be said, glad I kept this around
The only way I'd enjoy sniper in Fog's server is if he added an extra couple slots and made it headshot only.
The only way I'd enjoy sniper in Fog's server is if he added an extra couple slots and made it headshot only.
2sy_morphiendhttp://www.vanillatf2.org/2011/10/commentary-dm-mge/
there's everything that needs to be said, glad I kept this around
Me too. They play 5v5, support sniper in DM via the headshot plugin, and point out all the other annoying crap the standard classes do.
Why didn't you post this in the other thread? I wouldn't have even had to say anything.
[quote=2sy_morphiend]http://www.vanillatf2.org/2011/10/commentary-dm-mge/
there's everything that needs to be said, glad I kept this around[/quote]
Me too. They play 5v5, support sniper in DM via the headshot plugin, and point out all the other annoying crap the standard classes do.
Why didn't you post this in the other thread? I wouldn't have even had to say anything.
there's everything that needs to be said, glad I kept this around[/quote]
Me too. They play 5v5, support sniper in DM via the headshot plugin, and point out all the other annoying crap the standard classes do.
Why didn't you post this in the other thread? I wouldn't have even had to say anything.
Alleal2sy_morphiendhttp://www.vanillatf2.org/2011/10/commentary-dm-mge/
there's everything that needs to be said, glad I kept this around
Me too. They play 5v5, support sniper in DM via the headshot plugin, and point out all the other annoying crap the standard classes do.
Why didn't you post this in the other thread? I wouldn't have even had to say anything.
I didn't know that the lower divisions of ugc were illiterate too :(
[quote=Alleal][quote=2sy_morphiend]http://www.vanillatf2.org/2011/10/commentary-dm-mge/
there's everything that needs to be said, glad I kept this around[/quote]
Me too. They play 5v5, support sniper in DM via the headshot plugin, and point out all the other annoying crap the standard classes do.
Why didn't you post this in the other thread? I wouldn't have even had to say anything.[/quote]
I didn't know that the lower divisions of ugc were illiterate too :(
there's everything that needs to be said, glad I kept this around[/quote]
Me too. They play 5v5, support sniper in DM via the headshot plugin, and point out all the other annoying crap the standard classes do.
Why didn't you post this in the other thread? I wouldn't have even had to say anything.[/quote]
I didn't know that the lower divisions of ugc were illiterate too :(
2sy_morphiend
I didn't know that the lower divisions of ugc were illiterate too :(
Article
What tends to happen as a consequence of this is that the moment you show your face you get set upon by anywhere from 1 to 5 people
ArticleWhere have the Snipers gone that are actually fun to play against? ... Wherever you are can you please come back and show the current generation of chickenshits how it’s done, please?
And then, you know, the rest of the article is about Demo camping for roller kills, and Scouts shooting you in the back, and Soldiers camping high ground.
What exactly did I miss?
[quote=2sy_morphiend]
I didn't know that the lower divisions of ugc were illiterate too :([/quote]
[quote=Article]
What tends to happen as a consequence of this is that the moment you show your face you get set upon by anywhere from 1 to 5 people
[/quote]
[quote=Article]
Where have the Snipers gone that are actually fun to play against? ... Wherever you are can you please come back and show the current generation of chickenshits how it’s done, please?
[/quote]
And then, you know, the rest of the article is about Demo camping for roller kills, and Scouts shooting you in the back, and Soldiers camping high ground.
What exactly did I miss?
I didn't know that the lower divisions of ugc were illiterate too :([/quote]
[quote=Article]
What tends to happen as a consequence of this is that the moment you show your face you get set upon by anywhere from 1 to 5 people
[/quote]
[quote=Article]
Where have the Snipers gone that are actually fun to play against? ... Wherever you are can you please come back and show the current generation of chickenshits how it’s done, please?
[/quote]
And then, you know, the rest of the article is about Demo camping for roller kills, and Scouts shooting you in the back, and Soldiers camping high ground.
What exactly did I miss?
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