even if its just an online cup or two, i hope asia isn't left out :)
If TF2 comes to ESL - What would you like to see?
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himari_tfeven if its just an online cup or two, i hope asia isn't left out :)
Get yourselves to i61
[quote=himari_tf]even if its just an online cup or two, i hope asia isn't left out :)[/quote]
Get yourselves to i61
Get yourselves to i61
6s, Lan
Standard eu rules and maps
frequent tournaments to keep people engaged, actual prize money for tournaments (lan or league)
6s, Lan
Standard eu rules and maps
frequent tournaments to keep people engaged, actual prize money for tournaments (lan or league)
Standard eu rules and maps
frequent tournaments to keep people engaged, actual prize money for tournaments (lan or league)
Regarding maps, there are some that are only played in NA (metalworks) and some only played in EU (reckoner)
If both regions are to use the same map pool, these should probably be left out.
Regarding rules, id like the EU 30 min timelimit and the ESEA 5 point winlimit but thats just my opinion.
Regarding maps, there are some that are only played in NA (metalworks) and some only played in EU (reckoner)
If both regions are to use the same map pool, these should probably be left out.
Regarding rules, id like the EU 30 min timelimit and the ESEA 5 point winlimit but thats just my opinion.
If both regions are to use the same map pool, these should probably be left out.
Regarding rules, id like the EU 30 min timelimit and the ESEA 5 point winlimit but thats just my opinion.
I guess I'll use this accidental post
For the mappool I'd recommend the staples:
badlands (pro?)
granary (pro?)
process
snakewater
gullywash
viaproduct
The 7th map has always been up in the air and every league is different on their 7th, with ESEA even using 8, but I'd recommend using sunshine because it has been used in every league at one point and is generally more liked than either of metalworks or reckoner.
I guess I'll use this accidental post
For the mappool I'd recommend the staples:
badlands (pro?)
granary (pro?)
process
snakewater
gullywash
[s]via[/s]product
The 7th map has always been up in the air and every league is different on their 7th, with ESEA even using 8, but I'd recommend using sunshine because it has been used in every league at one point and is generally more liked than either of metalworks or reckoner.
For the mappool I'd recommend the staples:
badlands (pro?)
granary (pro?)
process
snakewater
gullywash
[s]via[/s]product
The 7th map has always been up in the air and every league is different on their 7th, with ESEA even using 8, but I'd recommend using sunshine because it has been used in every league at one point and is generally more liked than either of metalworks or reckoner.
while having my mini-vacations @ Valencia i watched the post and made a note on my phone with my ideas if TF2 Join ESL Games
Format :6s
Rules :
ETF2L Whitelist
-Standard 6v6 classlimits + some offclass like the spy,sniper and heavy
OTHER
-Multiple Divisions (ex)
-High-PREM
-Intermediate
-open
-Map Pool
Badlands
Gullywash
Granary
Reckoner
Process
Metalworks
Sunshine
Product (Thanks aecough to for the suggestion)
Main season Best of 2 Maps
Playoff @ LAN
-Quarterfinals BO3
-Semifinal BO3
- Grand Final BO5
Non-Fully Intrusive Anti-Cheats
ESL Wire Anti-Cheats
while having my mini-vacations @ Valencia i watched the post and made a note on my phone with my ideas if TF2 Join ESL Games
Format :6s
Rules :
ETF2L Whitelist
-Standard 6v6 classlimits + some offclass like the spy,sniper and heavy
OTHER
-Multiple Divisions (ex)
-High-PREM
-Intermediate
-open
-Map Pool
Badlands
Gullywash
Granary
Reckoner
Process
Metalworks
Sunshine
Product (Thanks aecough to for the suggestion)
Main season Best of 2 Maps
Playoff @ LAN
-Quarterfinals BO3
-Semifinal BO3
- Grand Final BO5
Non-Fully Intrusive Anti-Cheats
ESL Wire Anti-Cheats
Format :6s
Rules :
ETF2L Whitelist
-Standard 6v6 classlimits + some offclass like the spy,sniper and heavy
OTHER
-Multiple Divisions (ex)
-High-PREM
-Intermediate
-open
-Map Pool
Badlands
Gullywash
Granary
Reckoner
Process
Metalworks
Sunshine
Product (Thanks aecough to for the suggestion)
Main season Best of 2 Maps
Playoff @ LAN
-Quarterfinals BO3
-Semifinal BO3
- Grand Final BO5
Non-Fully Intrusive Anti-Cheats
ESL Wire Anti-Cheats
WaTeRMeLoNwhile having my mini-vacations @ Valencia i watched the post and made a note on my phone with my ideas if TF2 Join ESL Games
i really want to know if you like this sytem on a Future League Like ESL
[quote=WaTeRMeLoN]while having my mini-vacations @ Valencia i watched the post and made a note on my phone with my ideas if TF2 Join ESL Games [/quote]
i really want to know if you like this sytem on a Future League Like ESL
i really want to know if you like this sytem on a Future League Like ESL
aecoughNo Koth map?
Edited thanks for the suggestion
[quote=aecough]No Koth map?[/quote]
Edited thanks for the suggestion
Edited thanks for the suggestion
I don't exactly remember where this was mentioned, but I remember someone bringing up an idea of offering a free division for new players as a possible incentive to play ESEA (since this announcement hadn't happened at the time) over UGC. I feel like this can be something interesting to experiment with to attract more players in. Including more formats (HL, ultiduo, 4s) as mentioned before.
If ESL does end up choosing to host a TF2 league for EU, NA, and possibly AU, the winlimit rules and map pool may need to be revised to be uniform for all regions, but I think that's one thing that we can discuss ourselves. I'd love for ESL to host a TF2 league and I'm certain we'd all be incredibly happy to work with people for the better of the competitive game.
I don't exactly remember where this was mentioned, but I remember someone bringing up an idea of offering a free division for new players as a possible incentive to play ESEA (since this announcement hadn't happened at the time) over UGC. I feel like this can be something interesting to experiment with to attract more players in. Including more formats (HL, ultiduo, 4s) as mentioned before.
If ESL does end up choosing to host a TF2 league for EU, NA, and possibly AU, the winlimit rules and map pool may need to be revised to be uniform for all regions, but I think that's one thing that we can discuss ourselves. I'd love for ESL to host a TF2 league and I'm certain we'd all be incredibly happy to work with people for the better of the competitive game.
If ESL does end up choosing to host a TF2 league for EU, NA, and possibly AU, the winlimit rules and map pool may need to be revised to be uniform for all regions, but I think that's one thing that we can discuss ourselves. I'd love for ESL to host a TF2 league and I'm certain we'd all be incredibly happy to work with people for the better of the competitive game.
I would like to see money and exposure from ESL to competetive tf2. Especially the regions needing it the most right now like EU and AU that's probably where tf2 has lost most of its players due to lack if money
I would like to see money and exposure from ESL to competetive tf2. Especially the regions needing it the most right now like EU and AU that's probably where tf2 has lost most of its players due to lack if money
okay, i don't understand. Why would we choose to use this over etf2l if it is exactly the same? + etf2l has active admins who play the game at a high skill level and are easy to contact and etf2l is already established.
okay, i don't understand. Why would we choose to use this over etf2l if it is exactly the same? + etf2l has active admins who play the game at a high skill level and are easy to contact and etf2l is already established.
Avvyhttps://twitter.com/4G_b4nny/status/895325555557515265 lol
NO LAN OR PRIZES PACK IT UP BOYS
[quote=Avvy]https://twitter.com/4G_b4nny/status/895325555557515265 lol[/quote]
NO LAN OR PRIZES PACK IT UP BOYS
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NO LAN OR PRIZES PACK IT UP BOYS
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did u guys actually expect esl to host a lan for tf2?? it's not a fucking charity lol
did u guys actually expect esl to host a lan for tf2?? it's not a fucking charity lol
I understand that some players don't want to hear that if it happens, that we're going to start with and possibly only host EU cups. It's quite complicated, and I can't get into any of the details.
As an alternative, we will use this rule:
Team nationality
In general, during matches of ESL national sections, at all times in-game a team must have more than 50% of its players that are residing in or have the nationality of the country or countries that the national section represents.
In addition, I also understand that if we do use this rule, that ping may not be ideal for some players, but that's where we will start. If expanding is an option later on, we will strongly consider it.
I understand that some players don't want to hear that if it happens, that we're going to start with and possibly only host EU cups. It's quite complicated, and I can't get into any of the details.
As an alternative, we will use this rule:
Team nationality
In general, during matches of ESL national sections, at all times in-game a team must have more than 50% of its players that are residing in or have the nationality of the country or countries that the national section represents.
In addition, I also understand that if we do use this rule, that ping may not be ideal for some players, but that's where we will start. If expanding is an option later on, we will strongly consider it.
As an alternative, we will use this rule:
Team nationality
In general, during matches of ESL national sections, at all times in-game a team must have more than 50% of its players that are residing in or have the nationality of the country or countries that the national section represents.
In addition, I also understand that if we do use this rule, that ping may not be ideal for some players, but that's where we will start. If expanding is an option later on, we will strongly consider it.
ESL_CitruTeam nationality
In general, during matches of ESL national sections, at all times in-game a team must have more than 50% of its players that are residing in or have the nationality of the country or countries that the national section represents.
This rule seems good until u realize what happens when u have more than 3 aidsbrits on ur team
[quote=ESL_Citru]Team nationality
In general, during matches of ESL national sections, at all times in-game a team must have more than 50% of its players that are residing in or have the nationality of the country or countries that the national section represents.[/quote]
This rule seems good until u realize what happens when u have more than 3 aidsbrits on ur team
In general, during matches of ESL national sections, at all times in-game a team must have more than 50% of its players that are residing in or have the nationality of the country or countries that the national section represents.[/quote]
This rule seems good until u realize what happens when u have more than 3 aidsbrits on ur team
ESL_CitruI understand that some players don't want to hear that if it happens, that we're going to start with and possibly only host EU cups. It's quite complicated, and I can't get into any of the details.
As an alternative, we might use this rule:
Team nationality
In general, during matches of ESL national sections, at all times in-game a team must have more than 50% of its players that are residing in or have the nationality of the country or countries that the national section represents.
In addition, I also understand that if we do use this rule, that ping may not be ideal for some players, but that's likely where we will start. If expanding is an option later on, we will strongly consider it.
All I'm going to say is if you're going to invest resources in tf2, you should do it right. These little cups that companies in the past decade of tf2 have decided to host are generally insignicant, to the point where the organizers are surprised it didn't have a bigger turnout. With that said, however, I can 100% guarantee that if you held legitimate tournaments with money, but not too often (so you could provide larger prizes), you will see the top of the competitive scene bloom a lot, and thus the rest of the competitive scene.
[quote=ESL_Citru]I understand that some players don't want to hear that if it happens, that we're going to start with and possibly only host EU cups. It's quite complicated, and I can't get into any of the details.
As an alternative, we might use this rule:
Team nationality
In general, during matches of ESL national sections, at all times in-game a team must have more than 50% of its players that are residing in or have the nationality of the country or countries that the national section represents.
In addition, I also understand that if we do use this rule, that ping may not be ideal for some players, but that's likely where we will start. If expanding is an option later on, we will strongly consider it.[/quote]
All I'm going to say is if you're going to invest resources in tf2, you should do it right. These little cups that companies in the past decade of tf2 have decided to host are generally insignicant, to the point where the organizers are surprised it didn't have a bigger turnout. With that said, however, I can 100% guarantee that if you held legitimate tournaments with money, but not too often (so you could provide larger prizes), you will see the top of the competitive scene bloom [b]a lot[/b], and thus the rest of the competitive scene.
As an alternative, we might use this rule:
Team nationality
In general, during matches of ESL national sections, at all times in-game a team must have more than 50% of its players that are residing in or have the nationality of the country or countries that the national section represents.
In addition, I also understand that if we do use this rule, that ping may not be ideal for some players, but that's likely where we will start. If expanding is an option later on, we will strongly consider it.[/quote]
All I'm going to say is if you're going to invest resources in tf2, you should do it right. These little cups that companies in the past decade of tf2 have decided to host are generally insignicant, to the point where the organizers are surprised it didn't have a bigger turnout. With that said, however, I can 100% guarantee that if you held legitimate tournaments with money, but not too often (so you could provide larger prizes), you will see the top of the competitive scene bloom [b]a lot[/b], and thus the rest of the competitive scene.
Re4lityokay, i don't understand. Why would we choose to use this over etf2l if it is exactly the same? + etf2l has active admins who play the game at a high skill level and are easy to contact and etf2l is already established.
This is the exact dilemma that we've had when other companies have tried to introduce something with a similar system to what's already established. Even if there's more potential of growth for another thing, what's been done historically is just stick with what's already in place unless there's a noticeable benefit that we're going to get from the start rather than start at a base of the equivalent of what's in place and expand from there. It's so frustrating to watch it happen but it seems to continue to happen time and time again when a new sponsor approaches us with interest in our game.
[quote=Re4lity]okay, i don't understand. Why would we choose to use this over etf2l if it is exactly the same? + etf2l has active admins who play the game at a high skill level and are easy to contact and etf2l is already established.[/quote]
This is the exact dilemma that we've had when other companies have tried to introduce something with a similar system to what's already established. Even if there's more potential of growth for another thing, what's been done historically is just stick with what's already in place unless there's a noticeable benefit that we're going to get from the start rather than start at a base of the equivalent of what's in place and expand from there. It's so frustrating to watch it happen but it seems to continue to happen time and time again when a new sponsor approaches us with interest in our game.
This is the exact dilemma that we've had when other companies have tried to introduce something with a similar system to what's already established. Even if there's more potential of growth for another thing, what's been done historically is just stick with what's already in place unless there's a noticeable benefit that we're going to get from the start rather than start at a base of the equivalent of what's in place and expand from there. It's so frustrating to watch it happen but it seems to continue to happen time and time again when a new sponsor approaches us with interest in our game.
This is a difficult situation to deal with. From a business PoV, I can completely understand the apprehension from ESL. Immediately putting money into an unfamiliar scene (edit: it's been a looong time since they were here) with no guarantee is a pretty decent risk. If the comp scene boasted 10-20k more players than it currently does, I think there wouldn't be an issue with them probing the scene with a few experimental cups to see the turnout and success. However, This isn't TF2's first rodeo with prizeless tournaments, or ESL. The TF2 community is one that has been frankly abused by its developers, coupled with organizations/leagues that seem to only feign interest in the game long enough to say "nope not for us". However, in my opinion, ESL (nor any other league) can simply ask a grass roots, community run, competitive scene to ditch/switch from a reliable community infrastructure to one that could be gone after its second or third tournament/season. Also, locking down to just EU immediately kills the interest of (guestimating) 40-50% of TF2's competitive community.
So I guess what my personal response to ESL would be pretty much summed up by corsa. Don't expect effort to be put into your cup if you don't put effort into the community.
This is a difficult situation to deal with. From a business PoV, I can completely understand the apprehension from ESL. Immediately putting money into an unfamiliar scene (edit: it's been a looong time since they were here) with no guarantee is a pretty decent risk. If the comp scene boasted 10-20k more players than it currently does, I think there wouldn't be an issue with them probing the scene with a few experimental cups to see the turnout and success. However, This isn't TF2's first rodeo with prizeless tournaments, or ESL. The TF2 community is one that has been frankly abused by its developers, coupled with organizations/leagues that seem to only feign interest in the game long enough to say "nope not for us". However, in my opinion, ESL (nor any other league) can simply ask a grass roots, community run, competitive scene to ditch/switch from a reliable community infrastructure to one that could be gone after its second or third tournament/season. Also, locking down to just EU immediately kills the interest of (guestimating) 40-50% of TF2's competitive community.
So I guess what my personal response to ESL would be pretty much summed up by corsa. Don't expect effort to be put into your cup if you don't put effort into the community.
So I guess what my personal response to ESL would be pretty much summed up by corsa. Don't expect effort to be put into your cup if you don't put effort into the community.
ESL_CitruI understand that some players don't want to hear that if it happens, that we're going to start with and possibly only host EU cups. It's quite complicated, and I can't get into any of the details.
As an alternative, we will use this rule:
Team nationality
In general, during matches of ESL national sections, at all times in-game a team must have more than 50% of its players that are residing in or have the nationality of the country or countries that the national section represents.
In addition, I also understand that if we do use this rule, that ping may not be ideal for some players, but that's where we will start. If expanding is an option later on, we will strongly consider it.
What expansion do you think would be possible for ESL Play? Could it ever expand to NA if it gained popularity in Europe?
Would a large amount of participation allow for a LAN, is it within what ESL Play is willing to do for TF2 if it takes off?
[quote=ESL_Citru]I understand that some players don't want to hear that if it happens, that we're going to start with and possibly only host EU cups. It's quite complicated, and I can't get into any of the details.
As an alternative, we will use this rule:
Team nationality
In general, during matches of ESL national sections, at all times in-game a team must have more than 50% of its players that are residing in or have the nationality of the country or countries that the national section represents.
In addition, I also understand that if we do use this rule, that ping may not be ideal for some players, but that's where we will start. If expanding is an option later on, we will strongly consider it.[/quote]
What expansion do you think would be possible for ESL Play? Could it ever expand to NA if it gained popularity in Europe?
Would a large amount of participation allow for a LAN, is it within what ESL Play is willing to do for TF2 if it takes off?
As an alternative, we will use this rule:
Team nationality
In general, during matches of ESL national sections, at all times in-game a team must have more than 50% of its players that are residing in or have the nationality of the country or countries that the national section represents.
In addition, I also understand that if we do use this rule, that ping may not be ideal for some players, but that's where we will start. If expanding is an option later on, we will strongly consider it.[/quote]
What expansion do you think would be possible for ESL Play? Could it ever expand to NA if it gained popularity in Europe?
Would a large amount of participation allow for a LAN, is it within what ESL Play is willing to do for TF2 if it takes off?
ESL_CitruI understand that some players don't want to hear that if it happens, that we're going to start with and possibly only host EU cups. It's quite complicated, and I can't get into any of the details.
As an alternative, we will use this rule:
Team nationality
In general, during matches of ESL national sections, at all times in-game a team must have more than 50% of its players that are residing in or have the nationality of the country or countries that the national section represents.
In addition, I also understand that if we do use this rule, that ping may not be ideal for some players, but that's where we will start. If expanding is an option later on, we will strongly consider it.
thanks for unbanning brax and the gang
[quote=ESL_Citru]I understand that some players don't want to hear that if it happens, that we're going to start with and possibly only host EU cups. It's quite complicated, and I can't get into any of the details.
As an alternative, we will use this rule:
Team nationality
In general, during matches of ESL national sections, at all times in-game a team must have more than 50% of its players that are residing in or have the nationality of the country or countries that the national section represents.
In addition, I also understand that if we do use this rule, that ping may not be ideal for some players, but that's where we will start. If expanding is an option later on, we will strongly consider it.[/quote]
thanks for unbanning brax and the gang
As an alternative, we will use this rule:
Team nationality
In general, during matches of ESL national sections, at all times in-game a team must have more than 50% of its players that are residing in or have the nationality of the country or countries that the national section represents.
In addition, I also understand that if we do use this rule, that ping may not be ideal for some players, but that's where we will start. If expanding is an option later on, we will strongly consider it.[/quote]
thanks for unbanning brax and the gang
AccordWould a large amount of participation allow for a LAN, is it within what ESL Play is willing to do for TF2 if it takes off?
Does the answer to this question even matter?
The TF2 community is amazing and puts in a lot of effort in a lot of different ways to support itself, but significant and sustained participation in some silly online, prizeless cups hosted by a large organization on the premise of them maybe throwing us a bone later is not something I ever see working. It's been tried before, we don't play and keep playing so even if there was any truth to something bigger being possible in the future, it never happens.
[quote=Accord]
Would a large amount of participation allow for a LAN, is it within what ESL Play is willing to do for TF2 if it takes off?[/quote]
Does the answer to this question even matter?
The TF2 community is amazing and puts in a lot of effort in a lot of different ways to support itself, but significant and sustained participation in some silly online, prizeless cups hosted by a large organization on the premise of them [i]maybe[/i] throwing us a bone later is not something I ever see working. It's been tried before, we don't play and keep playing so [i]even if [/i]there was any truth to something bigger being possible in the future, it never happens.
Would a large amount of participation allow for a LAN, is it within what ESL Play is willing to do for TF2 if it takes off?[/quote]
Does the answer to this question even matter?
The TF2 community is amazing and puts in a lot of effort in a lot of different ways to support itself, but significant and sustained participation in some silly online, prizeless cups hosted by a large organization on the premise of them [i]maybe[/i] throwing us a bone later is not something I ever see working. It's been tried before, we don't play and keep playing so [i]even if [/i]there was any truth to something bigger being possible in the future, it never happens.
What is ESL doing better than ETF2L that will encourage people to play ESL? (I get that you're not going to schedule stuff at the same time as them, but people aren't going to play cups and officials left, right and center.)
When ETF2L runs a cup, due to it being on an established platform and run by people that know the scene, they're pretty good at ensuring that, for the most part, people are in the division that they should be in. The anti cheat team is very good and they don't require you to run the game through a client, which may still be plug and play but its still a mandatory program that people have to download that they wouldn't have to elsewhere.
The only thing I see that you're offering is the chance for more cups and expansion in the future, which other orgs have offered before, but they also ran their cups with money. It still didn't take off because the cups were such a mess to play in for different skill levels and the only teams that would compete were the ones likely to win anything.
Also, ETF2L don't restrict people from playing from any country, provided they use EU servers and play with EU times unless their opponent agrees otherwise.
What is ESL doing better than ETF2L that will encourage people to play ESL? (I get that you're not going to schedule stuff at the same time as them, but people aren't going to play cups and officials left, right and center.)
When ETF2L runs a cup, due to it being on an established platform and run by people that know the scene, they're pretty good at ensuring that, for the most part, people are in the division that they should be in. The anti cheat team is very good and they don't require you to run the game through a client, which may still be plug and play but its still a mandatory program that people have to download that they wouldn't have to elsewhere.
The only thing I see that you're offering is the chance for more cups and expansion in the future, which other orgs have offered before, but they also ran their cups with money. It still didn't take off because the cups were such a mess to play in for different skill levels and the only teams that would compete were the ones likely to win anything.
Also, ETF2L don't restrict people from playing from any country, provided they use EU servers and play with EU times unless their opponent agrees otherwise.
When ETF2L runs a cup, due to it being on an established platform and run by people that know the scene, they're pretty good at ensuring that, for the most part, people are in the division that they should be in. The anti cheat team is very good and they don't require you to run the game through a client, which may still be plug and play but its still a mandatory program that people have to download that they wouldn't have to elsewhere.
The only thing I see that you're offering is the chance for more cups and expansion in the future, which other orgs have offered before, but they also ran their cups with money. It still didn't take off because the cups were such a mess to play in for different skill levels and the only teams that would compete were the ones likely to win anything.
Also, ETF2L don't restrict people from playing from any country, provided they use EU servers and play with EU times unless their opponent agrees otherwise.
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