No, because mm still doesn't work

Have queued for 2-3 hours and not found games repeatedly

This is completely anecdotal and not fact checked at all but just looking at logs uploaded by erynn vs faceit games pugchamp gets 2-3x the games in a weekday compared to faceit on a weekday.(NA)

I could make some stuff up about how in pugchamp the game and classes took up most of the screen vs faceit where there a massive chat box and the play button is in the corner, and how crowded the websites feel and how that makes the websites have a different atmosphere and stuff.

The pugchamp website just feels more relaxed than faceit. I'd be curious about how pugchamp's game atmosphere with elo was compared to faceit's. the 5 times i played a faceit but I couldn't relax or enjoy the game, but that might've just been me being low im + elo pressure.

Maybe ladder anxiety plays a role? There's less people queueing in general, not just matches not starting. Actually pugchamp had the thing where you could add up to multiple classes meaning 3 people could look like 15. Maybe that has something to do with lack of queuers. Bandwagon or something

hmm now that i read this it all seems pretty bad and minute and useless oh well lol

i agree with the whole atmosphere of faceit being a lot less friendly and fun as pugchamp, but that is what happens when you have elo and rankings

pugchamp used to have elo and rankings and i remember it was a lot more tryhard

elo and rankings actually make people want to play less in the advanced div

is there any way to enable voice overlays on linux discord?

nope

https://pastebin.com/XA5GEqw4

12:14 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: skp is your worst player
12:14 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: by far

advanced would be more fun if the invite pugs happened in the invite division instead

what if faceit tracked how much each class was played during each game like logs does and displayed when was the last time each person played med

if i don't want to play med pointing out that i haven't played it in ## pugs doesn't suddenly make me want to med and definitely wont make me enjoy playing it that pug

problems with faceit

12:12 AM - 3D ghost in your dream: im not playing if milan doesnt med
12:12 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: rejoin the server
12:12 AM - 3D ghost in your dream: tell milan ot med
12:12 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: campy will med
12:12 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: rejoin

-your intended (or even 2-3 people who were possibilities for) medic pick doesn't "want" to medic, because they either have a huge ego or want to simply have fun. it's fine if players just want to have fun and not play medic, but that's a very big issue with this website, in that it's supposed to be taken seriously, and there's rarely room for "fun" pugs. I'm not saying that's a request of mine, because i prefer tryhard pugs, but there are many players that prefer having the option to play pugs for fun rather than to try as hard as possible to win by mainclassing.
-half the time one of your two substantially better players has to play medic, as a result

12:13 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: youre trying to be a top player in this game
12:13 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: and you emo out of pugs

-the ceo of the website not recognizing the difference between an issue and emoing

12:14 AM - 3D ghost in your dream: he shouldnt be in the same pug as me

-every single invite/advanced pug (except literally one pug out of my maybe 80?) i've EVER played on faceit has the most ridiculous skill disparity between players that it's legitimately unbelievable that ANYBODY can think tf2 can support a matchmaking system for pugs, where the counter argument for that is that this platform will help tf2 grow. we all know why that logic makes 0 sense; the root of the problem is tf2's playerbase not being competitive players and a very pub and casual-esque game, not to mention that faceit just has very terrible quality pugs, not quite helping the case of making pugs "fun"

12:20 AM - 3D ghost in your dream: its because the site is bad
12:20 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: whats an awful pug?
12:20 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: one where you lose?
12:20 AM - 3D ghost in your dream: being forced to play with skp
12:20 AM - 3D ghost in your dream: and milan
12:21 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: youve played DOZENS of pugs with them on pugchamp
12:21 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: you realize that right
12:21 AM - 3D ghost in your dream: no
12:21 AM - 3D ghost in your dream: i would fat kid them
12:21 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: MILAN CAPTAINS
12:21 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: HE PICKS YOU
12:21 AM - 3D ghost in your dream: i dont add to milan pugs
12:21 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: you realize this attitude of excluding people is harmful to growing the game right?
12:21 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: excluding people left and right

i'm pretty confident in saying the awful quality of pugs is much more harmful to the "growth of the game" (lol) than "excluding" players that are 1-2 divisions below you.

12:21 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: if you want to be a diva, play invite pugs
12:21 AM - 3D ghost in your dream: i pug more than 90% of the invite players
12:22 AM - 3D ghost in your dream: play invite pugs
12:22 AM - 3D ghost in your dream: do u hear yourself
12:22 AM - 3D ghost in your dream: there are none to play
12:22 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: what efforts have you gone to to organize one?
12:22 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: or do you just prefer to bitch and complain into the wind

first of all, "invite" pugs are worse quality than 90% of the pugchamp pugs i've ever played, because you have a few high invite players and then you have multiple high IM / low invite players who can only play one class in the game. the quality of invite pugs can also never be top tier, because it's first come first serve, so I don't really see the point in an mm system for invite pugs when there's only 95 invite players in the system, but most importantly out of those 95 people, a lot of them never pug in general, some people aren't always online, etc etc. i've tried organizing invite pugs and every single time they've taken at least 1-2 hour to start, absolutely no exaggeration, and then when they did start, they were very bad quality pugs as mentioned above. also, isn't it extremely telling how pointless an mm system is if you have to ask people to add up. that literally defeats the entire purpose of an mm system. you can think "oh if we get them started, they'll keep going" but that's obviously not the case as a couple reasons mentioned above.

LAST BUT NOT LEAST,
i just want to add up to roamer or demo only without having 3+ players every pug who can only play those classes

when people insta-lock classes repeatedly and do the same high risk-low reward play every pug u get pretty jaded

theres no hard feelings behind it unless ur literally trying to say what ur doing is right when someone says that was a bad play

i'd like to add that under the assumption it is a tryhard pug where people instalock their mainclasses, when you tell people 10+ seconds in advance to not go for a play and they do anyway (without using their mic either), i can see how that can get pretty annoying to some people

lmfao

12:11 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: get the fuck back in the server
12:12 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: why are you doing this

12:12 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: ?????

12:12 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: REJOIN

12:14 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: rejoin the game dude
12:19 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: ive always been right about you
12:19 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: worthless fucking baby
12:19 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: go emo out in a corner

12:20 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: YOU WERE THE REASON THE PUG DIED
12:20 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: YOU ARE THE PROBLEM
12:20 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: NOT THE SITE
12:20 AM - b4nny | TF2PL.com: DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS

you two act like entitled kings in every non-invite pug regardless of whether or not your teammates listen to you anyways so dont try to justify your sickening attitude by playing the "oh I just get angry" card

banny is destroying the TF2 Pug Conspiracy. Sorry, guys. Pack it up.

i feel like you actually didn't read either post, because that's not the "oh i just get angry card" but what can be expected from someone who said "the only real toxic ppl in 6s are the few invite players that think they're kings irl for being good at a videogame" when we all know there's only one person in invite with that attribute.

i'd also like to note that you said "you two act like entitled kings in every non-invite pug regardless whether or not your teammates listen" when nobody listens, so that's not really a thing, but in the cases that people do listen, in higher level pgus, i've never seen aim or highfive act like "entitled kings." i'm not sure what this whole "entitled kings" concept comes from, but i've only heard it from permanent low invite players.

Fuck You
Banny!

how can u be entitled when u actually know how the game works better than the other player and actually have the accolades to prove it

like its not being entitled its literally just people who want u to get better at the game and u guys just want to not do it

they want to get better by playing with the top players but they don't want to be told how to do it by those same top players, duh!

Or you people can act like normal human beings. I've played pugs where you guys just cry about every single thing and get off on feeling superior to others.

If you read my post you would have known that I said in non-invite pugs. I know you people would be terrified of acting the way you do in B/C level pugs, in invite pugs. Only when you people are around non-invite players is when you guys act so disgustingly condescending.

I'd hate to live a life so disappointing that I'd get off as much as you do from insulting other people's skill level in a video game.

If this was the case why is it that some invite players like for example marmaloo, shamoo, delpo, ma3la can act like normal people when they play with lower level players that know the game less well than they do? Crying like a little bitch in pugs and treating lower level players like sub-humans is not just you wanting them to get better. You're entitled bc you think this is the right behavior.

there's a right way and a wrong way to do this

have you considered the idea that you might be too sensitive?

who gives a shit if aim or corsa or whoever is bitching at you or being passive aggressive, if that bothers you you should ask yourself why it does. are you upset just because they're being mean (if that's the case then man have i got news for you about the internet), or are you upset because you know you're doing it wrong and you don't like to be reminded of that

i spent literally the entire time i was taking tf2 seriously both pugging and playing in league with people who were better than me and even when they were being dickheads they were still giving useful information. every time i've watched aim stream pugs he's given clear and concise instructions to people who repeatedly ignore him until he starts getting frustrated, AND even after he gets frustrated he is still giving people instruction, just with some extra insults thrown in.

https://www.faceit.com/en/home/rankings

i want u to take those players u just said and look at them compared to me and corsa

we want to win they want to have fun its literally two different mindsets

literally the top 10 players in this all want to win and have the same mindset stop singling me and corsa out just because were literally more vocal about the shit

i acknowledged that you said non-invite pugs, but i said "but in the cases" applying to a new situation just as an aside

i most certainly do not pull a different persona in b/c pugs as i do in invite pugs. it's as simple as people not listening. the main thing i do, for example, is calmly say something like "don't die/suicide here, just leave" and then they do it anyway, so I either, again calmly explain why it was a bad idea to die, or if it keeps happening i might ask why that player didn't listen to me a single time.

however, i do understand my voice always makes it sound like i'm pissed off

I feel like that's an insult, but i can't really take it as one because i'm pretty satisfied with my real life, and not because of my tf2 accomplishments, as you might suggest, but because of my in real life accomplishments.

you're absolutely right some people are a little overboard with the direct toxicity, but taking me as an exmaple. as i said above, i might give a clear comm by saying "nobody die here, just leave" then a player dies and i calmly explain a concept to someone, and i've legitimately heard open/im players just disagree on the fact that suiciding was a bad idea after i explained, very calm and briefly "you shouldn't die there because then we can't get a force on 2nd either" like i said, perhaps i'm not the best example actually because my voice makes me sound like i'm pissed all the time

Also, if you want to become a good player, there's nothing more true than owl's post, in all honesty. it's a skill to be able to take people's toxic criticism to be helpful, and honestly a pretty useful one in many parts of real life

Reading this pretentious sentence, coupled with the image of your snarky shithead grin that was probably on your face as you clicked "Submit Post" gives me the idea you were on the receiving end of many "swirlies" in grade school.

whoa that's some acerbic wit