https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO85Cau1Wqg

sigafoo , sigaSUCKS!

that is literally the worst video i have ever seen

Is this parody? This is hands down one of the most narcissistic viewpoints on competition I've ever seen. You would be genuinely upset that the community isn't banning the best team? That the community isn't allowing you an undeserved 1st place? That you couldn't make marginally more money? There are so many questions. Where are your explanations? You made a sweeping claim that he was right. Based on what? Are there statistics on how many players are playing now that froyo is banned? I mean, probably not, right? The season hasn't started. Is there a way to qualify that more people playing RGL due to froyo's ban is "better for TF2?" It's very clearly not a popular league, nor will it be anything that Valve supports. So...?

All I can infer from this is that you're highly narcissistic. You value the potential money that you'd earn and the "work you've put in" over winning the league fairly. Other teams, like froyo, put in work as well. It's a competition; the players who can be most effective under the rules of the competition deserve to win. One's own bitterness and exasperation that they aren't good enough isn't an exception and shouldn't be supported.

Also, lol? From the words of Ascent players themselves, it is disrespectful to act like they put no work in. You could assume based on that admission that it's disrespectful to ban froyo to allow 2nd place teams to finally win, because then they've effectively avoided work entirely to win. This post is one wild ride, man.

we really need to explain how dumb this is?

everytime I see something dumb come from sigafoo I think of pootis fazbear's fanfic

I don't know what it means speak layman english pls thanks

In a world where this rule is a good and positively perceived way to tackle this "problem" of a superteam, I am not even sure if this would solve the issue.

Correct me if I am wrong, but over the course of the 16 mentioned ESEA seasons only one player has been on the team for every single one of them. From what I gather by scrolling thru this thread there are 20something players only from last and next iterations of ESEA, RGL and i63 on froyotechs roster. All of which won titles, thus can indubitably be counted as "one of the best players in North America". The only player (as far as I am aware) that won all of these seasons with ever-changing teammates is b4nny.
Most players from Froyo will simply opt to not play in the season, because they cba playing with - in their minds - B level players (or the for them unbeloved format), leaving b4nny to form another unbeatable team.
b4nny himself by being "too good" is the problem. But fortunately he can't and shouldnt be banned for that, so they are trying this approach

(All of this was written assuming having a superteam is a problem.)

(PS: Se7en is safe.)

for an hl perspective imagine ugc forced dK to disband because theyve been winning for like 7 seasons now and told them none of them could play together

Kumori even went as far as to bar any recent dK players to play in any lower division in highlander, not being an official rule whatsoever
Ex: She personally barred Vipa from playing in Silver, regardless what class and if he followed team placement rules.

Not allowing a single player to play with one another seems more like a punishment than a restriction put in place to aid in competitive balance. I have not paid attention to TF2 in quite some and am unaware of the current climate, so I will not pretend to know what is right. My initial response was simply going to be: getgo0d. But if you feel like this is what is needed for the community and you have the courage to act on it, more power to you. Your event, your decision, your rules.

I prefaced my post with saying banning froyo is dumb. I fully grasp the UGC analogue. Even if Froyo were wholly unbeatable it would still be dumb to ban them because of how innately unfair that is. All my post addressed was what seems to be a contradiction between people who on the one hand get pissed when sigafoo claims other teams don't really try enough but on the other hand have optimism people can beat froyo even though the logical conclusion assuming that teams like Ascent really do try hard enough is that Froyo as a team contains a level of skill which far surpasses any other team, because something has to explain why they shitroll everyone. And if that were the case, I, like sigafoo, would feel pretty cynical about the state of competitive tf2. I wouldn't do what he did, but I'd be cynical.

It would've been cooler if sig had put a bounty on froyo's head. "If anybody can take them down, your winnings will be 50% higher" or something.

By removing them from the league you've effectively lowered the skill ceiling of the entire population. Now nobody has to bother being that good at the game, they just have to be above the next guy. I get that froyo roosting first is annoying but being that good isn't impossible.
It forces the next team to strive for that level of effort (even if it takes a long time to get there)

I actually really like this idea. Instead of punishing froyo, you're essentially complimenting them. And, of course, adding additional incentive to improve.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/454731957688074240/487340289850343435/processmid.png

I'm in love with this idea and would've h*cking loved to see this implemented instead of banning players from playing together. Bounties would make people want to improve so much more. 10/10

i forgot that rgl was a thing again

I am so glad that this happened. Personally i dont have any inclination to watch them ever when the outcome is always the same. From a viewer's perspective and i dont have any top level experience but its nice to know that there will atleast be some reason for me to tune in.

go away

He's salty Arekk turned out to be better at engie than him

Makes as much sense as if UEFA were to ban Real Madrid and Barcelona from all future Champions Leagues

It's possible that those teams wouldn't be possible now since you don't see the best teams possible in the NFL. Due to the salary cap put in place in 1994. While the NFL didn't place rules directly against those teams, they did place rules to make it less likely to happen again.

NHL: Salary cap added in 2004.

NBA: Soft "salary" cap added in 1984.

MLB: Luxury tax added in 1997.

So you can see almost all of the teams you listed either existed before or could have been the direct reason why the rules would put into the league. Might be why you haven't listed any team that's existed in the last 20 years. Because virtually all North American leagues have seen the value in having talent spread around a league rather than on one team.

Even when you get a great team in modern sports, like the Patriots, while they are very good, they still lose games because they can't stack all of the best players onto their team.

Soccer is the is the closer comparison since, to my knowledge, no European leagues have any sort of caps on spending. Which is why you also have fairly predictable local leagues. For instance in the NFL, the last 12 seasons have had 11 different teams win the championship. Whereas if you want to find the last 7 different winners of the English Premier League (since Premier is only 20 teams compared the NFL's 32 teams), you'd have to go back almost 30 years to find 7 different winners of the premier league.

But if you look at the UEFA Champions Cup, see it being broken up a bit more. A bit harder to maintain year after year winning success with teams who are able to spend similiar amounts money as you on talent. Plus, there is too much top-tier talent to contain onto one team.

But even with that, there's a difference between a team consistently winning championships and a team who goes undefeated, never losing games and is blowing out their opponents who are supposed to be of equal skill. So it's a bit funny for SpaceCadet to list all of these teams, only to have the truth be that... The leagues did make rules against those teams, they are just more formulated and league-wide. Which is one of the negative aspects of the temporary rule that we created, that it's so focused on one team, rather than doing what every other major professional sports league in NA has done, which is a league-wide rule to have talent more distributed through out the league.

And there's an even larger difference between professional players putting in 40 hours a week trying to grind out to beat their best competition and a recreational league with small prize pools. Where a majority of players do this in their spare time. All of this is included in the revised article, that we would not have made this same decision if this was a league of full-time professional gamers. Because that would be different situation. Context is important in making decisions.

how bout u let ppl play videogames with who they wana play vidya games with DEREK

Is the context here that you're tired of giving b4nny a check every 3 months

All players can play vidya games if want to, nothing is stopping them from registering in our league within our rules and if we had a majority of players wanting to play. We'd increase the restrictions we put into place.

I have no issue with giving b4nny money every 3 months, what I do have an issue with is not having a healthy competitive ecosystem. b4nny is playing this season, would be happy to pay out to him again.

We'll see how quickly that changes when the next team he plays on wins 3 more seasons in a row.

Again, context, this isn't about a team winning 3 seasons in a row. How'd they do throughout the season and how is the second/third place teams doing. Are they poaching the best players from other teams to further the skill gap.

However, if they won 8 seasons in a row, every major competition for 3 years, didn't lose a single match in 2 years and at the end of it all the gap from 1st to 2nd seems it's largest after all the time, not getting closer. Because the Grand Finals was a 5-0 roll on back to back maps. Then that's something we consider. The problem is that most people are incorrectly grabbing the headline and not thinking about and just saying "sigafoo is banning good teams!" rather than realizing this is an unordinary rule for a truly unordinary situation. Not just a good team who just happen to win a couple times.

And we have zero interest in doing this rule again for another team. If we do consider to do something again to help the balance of our competitive ecosystem. We would follow the guidance of what every other major competitive sports league in NA has done and do a more league-wide rule which affects all teams.

Forgive me if i'm wrong here, but I dont think there are more than 7 teams of a tier anywhere near froyotech that every player can join. Essentially you are banning at least half of froyotech from playing or forcing them to play on a team not anywhere near their skill level.

I point out again that, seeing as your gamemode is entirely different to 6v6, his winning is 6s is irrelevant. Only his winning in prolander matters, so he's only 3 seasons won, which as you say, isn't a problem.