It's still better to try literally anything rather than lie down and rot, though

even if it sucks, not much is lost, just time that would have been spent on playing videogames anyway

everyone: *playing the game and having fun*
you: WOW NICE ONE LYING DOWN AND ROTTING YOU ABSOLUTE BUFFOONS

this sounds like invite

Update, thanks to the many donations to the prize pool over the last couple weeks and our sponsorship with MarketPlace.tf. We've decided to extend out the prize pool.

The prize pool has now grown to $2,120 (up to $2,360)

The payouts are the same, except for 4th-8th (now larger.) 1st $800 | 2nd $600 | 3rd $300 | 4th $180 | 5th-8th $120

We currently have 6 teams signed up.

Top 4 teams go into playoffs, if you finish in 5th,6th,7th,8th, you will get a payout for playing. Provided you did not forfeit or throw any games and did not receive any RGL penalties.

Currently, the league has 80 teams that are already playing, and still have 15+ teams who only need 1-2 players to complete their rosters. So if you're interested and have been sitting on the fence, you can still find a team, but it needs to be by tonight.

New Team Registration Closes Tonight!!

We appreciate the support so far and are looking forward to learning what we can from this league.

For more info on everything, check out this great post b4nny made yesterday on reddit.

I just read through the past stuff, how about this. I'll put my own money on the line.

Because there were a lot of discussions back with whitelist and how weapons are so broken, and large whitelists are needed for sixes currently. I think there was even some challenges tossed out on twitter, how teams could beat froyotech with these 'broken' unlocks.

I'll add this to the prize pool, a froyotech bounty. If any team (not froyotech) finishes in 1st place in this league. I will cover the winning teams ESEA-Invite league entry fees for next season (6 mains + 2 subs). This is on top of the $800 top prize.

None of the cash prizes for RGL-Invite are tied to playing "gimmicky." You can play 2-2-1-1 all you want, if it's truly the best line-up. The cash prizes in invite are paid for your performance, not line-ups.

https://twitter.com/Pete_tf2/status/1106257473554575362

https://i.imgur.com/KA5GaEv.jpg

if my team wins can i trade the froyotech bounty for unbanning pete

> ban team for winning too much, effectively showing your league is not serious or competitive
> ban player for posting years old exploit in an effort to finally get it fixed

https://i.imgur.com/eipugIu.jpg

seriously what the fuck sigafoo this is fucking disgusting and despicable

pete: hey everyone, I've noticed multiple high level players abusing this exploit that's trivial to do, we should make sure valve knows what the issue is and how to fix it, and raise awareness to pressure them so they actually do

sigafoo:

http://i.imgur.com/YRtuSz2.gif&f=1

https://i.gyazo.com/9f01b72b64274144df32782cb40adb48.png

Publically

ban me too for downloading arekk's hud and stumbling upon box shadows and having a thread made about it where someone found out how to add it to any hud.

So there's a difference between raising awareness, even giving broad strokes of detail and actually explaining in detail how to do the exploit.

There's a difference between making a post letting people know about the prevalence of a new or existing cheat software and what it can accomplish. Versus making a post laying out in step by step detail of how to install, how to use it, etc....

I know that when I was trying to find out the information on how to do it, so I can send it on to Valve. I spent a moderate amount of time and still was not able to figure it out. And I'm sure others would be in the same boat if he raised awareness, they that they wouldn't be able to cheat despite it becoming more known about.

Obviously, it exists out there, at least one (or more people) have figured it out and has past it around.

I don't disagree with Pete's goals and I don't fault his frustration with the problem. I do disagree what releasing explicit details when Valve has not put out an update recently to potentially fix this. As I even stated in my DM to him that he posted on twitter. "If it's not in the next update, then I would be behind you doing this." Since not too long ago we sent over the info to Valve, with multiple variations on how you can use the same idea to cheat.

Which is to say, I would not be against his actions, if we actually saw that Valve did not update it in the next update.

And this is a ban we will almost certainly be re-evaluated as updates come out and more information.

You're allowed to disagree with us placing a ban on someone who is helping others cheat, even if the cheat has existed prior to this. And I understand why others would feel that way. It's not wrong, this is definitely something we were on the fence about, but ultimately we cannot support people who actively pubically show others how to cheat, even if the reason behind it is good. Because the new people who will actually be using it, will not be using it for good reasons.

But why the ban for sharing public PMs? That makes absolutely no sense, it seems more personal than something regarding RGL.

Also policing content on other people's forums is usually not a good idea, should I get banned for this? https://www.teamfortress.tv/1121/stream-highlights/?page=282#8438

This is actually retarded.

The simple fact is that the people who wanted to know about that exploit in particular, or any similar exploits, have known about them for years. There are groups of people dedicated to finding out ways to give themselves unfair advantages in videos games, by any means necessary.

It has been proven time and time again that the best way to force valve to handle these sort of situations is to make it as public as possible so they have no way to ignore it.

Banning people who are willing to bring these issues to light will just protect the people who actually abuse these exploits.

rofl

I don't understand how banning the person that brought it to "public eye" is doing anything. Banning Pete isn't stopping the problem whatsoever. What this ban shows is that if you know of an exploit, don't try to get it fixed, and if you do you get banned. I don't get the logic behind the ban, and many people don't. What a sigafool.

Okay you're actually so confusing as an individual.

Why in the world would this ban need a reevaluation? If I'm successful in my goal to get the exploit patched, suddenly what I did that you consider wrong is no longer relevant? What if I post other exploits in hopes of getting those patched as well? Am I only banned between the times of posting and patching?

I even get it if you're like "hey this guy clearly knows how to do this exploit, what if he's using it in our league?"
That at least makes sense. But also, I've streamed (publically) literally every second of every pug, pub, or match I've played in the last month.

The only way this ban makes sense is if you don't like me as a person. Totally cool with that, w/e, not here to please everyone. But at least make the ban message just like "fuck you" or something funny cause this is just annoying

Running a league is all about somehow making the wrong call constantly

Use undetectable exploits in the league and share them with your team/buddies to get an advantage: No ban.
Publish them in an effort to get them fixed, without even using them yourself in the meantime: BANNED MOFO

I appreciate the fact that you run this league in the first place for the sake of experimentation but you have a track record of terrible decisions

sigafoo do u honestly have some sort of disorder how can you consistently be such an idiot

please unban my player

https://puu.sh/D00kM/d4b8312752.png

https://i.imgur.com/Zei0mk9.gif

the resupply bind is cheating. it teleports you out of danger with full health, ammo, and crit heals. anyone who has made a video on how to do this bind is now banned from RGL

I mean, I understand that the ban was given because of posting the script itself. It does make sense that RGL would be upset because it would "promote" the script.

But like, anyone who wants the script could find it online with no problem. I did a quick google search just to see how easy it is to find and you can find it as a file on game banana (https://gamebanana.com/sounds/32971) as well as other sites. This isn't some grand reveal of how to cheat. If someone wanted to cheat in this regard they would have to spend less than 30 minutes to get the files set up properly. Cheaters are going to cheat and Pete's post here isn't going to change that fact.

I don't see how banning Pete for going out of his way to test and attempting to rectify the exploit is the way to go here. It seems to me that you are just complicit with sweeping it under the rug under the guise of "Oh well we sent emails but valve didn't do anything so don't talk about it."
I for one didn't know how easy the script was until Pete showed the technical side of things. It seems to me that he is really invested in helping out the community by giving valve the information they need to fix it, rather than promote an exploit.

I thoroughly don't see how you could say this when it was previously stated that multiple attempts have been given at contacting valve about this exploit from years before. I've just scrolled through the update section on the teamfortress website and there are multiple updates and hot fixes that were given out that could fix this exploit. The track record of updates given out without fixing the sound exploit is literally too high to say "give it some time!!!"
Furthermore, you are living in an absolute fantasy if you are genuinely believe that attention given to exploits should be held for after updates. How long should Pete wait to say anything? A couple more months? I don't know Pete and I don't know you personally but I think you're being foolish here from an objective 3rd party standpoint.

tl;dr the ban is unwarranted and it's founded by silly reasoning.

no troll, I've been using loadout swapping since like 2014 to take forward spawns. Saw it on a sigafoo video or stream or something cause he would use it to drop tele, then get 200 ammo right away. I just tried to find it but if it was on his youtube it's gone

Because the reason for your ban is directly tied to the fact that you enabled other people to be able to cheat in the game. Though with an understandable reason. If Valve patches the exploit, then your ban wouldn't have a reason. Since your ban is for sharing an exploit, against the wishes of the league. Obviously, you did not this malice, so if was fixed, then we'd remove the ban.

Again, the thing to emphasize here, because most are ignoring it. Is that I am not against the choice of action, because as many of you stated and I agree (and agreed in the original DM I sent to pete.) Sometimes releasing an exploit publically is the best way to get it patch.

However, we've RECENTLY given Valve multiple ways to do this exploit, including different ways than pete provided. We asked Pete to take this post down, because we want to give a chance to Valve to be able patch it first.

And again, many are ignoring, if Valve didn't patch it. Then I'd be fine with going down this route, as clearly going down the route of discretely giving them information did not work.

This can be summed as

- RGL sends multiple spy hearing exploits to Valve
- Pete post a detailed guide on how to do one method of this cheat
- RGL request that he takes this down, as RGL has recently sent Valve this info and want to give them a chance to fix it first
- Pete refuses
- RGL bans Pete for sharing instructions in how to cheat in tf2, against the wishes of RGL

Because the ban was not for the assumption that you use it in a match. Most people who cheat, try to do so secretly, not expose it. The ban was for the other people who you inspired to use the cheat by posting explicit details on how to use the cheat.

I removed it because it really didn't play into and didn't affect the length of the ban.

We've banned several people who've been caught using this.

who are the other people that are involved in the we/RGL here cause you signed your PM as