b10 update:
fixed a few places that would stop you when walking over them
removed barrels on mid so people dont get baited trying to get on top of them
detailing at spawn :)

Download: https://tf2maps.net/downloads/propaganda.1927/download?version=17143
Screenshots: https://tf2maps.net/downloads/propaganda.1927/ (because imgur is being dumb)

b11 update:
fixed this clipping on mid. (my bad) https://i.imgur.com/DhNzFwh.jpg
adde crystals to cave https://i.imgur.com/jbOS5Iq.jpg

Download: https://tf2maps.net/downloads/propaganda.1927/download?version=17174
Screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/gPfw58l

CRYSTALS POG

cool aztec theme on tikal, it's something sadly underused among the official map pool

Never took Luc for a man hooked on crystal.

b12 update:
fixed a few small clipping and visual issues
added stalagmites and stalactites to the caves

Download: https://tf2maps.net/downloads/propaganda.1927/download?version=17191
Screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/gPfw58l

STALAGMITES POG

stalagmites are rock formations for pussies

seriously though this map looks really cool, can't wait to see matches on it

b12a update:
fixed shutter on mid opening from porch above

Download: https://tf2maps.net/downloads/propaganda.1927/download?version=17212
Screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/gPfw58l

b13 update:
Added some hint brushes just in case. (Optimization should be greatly improved if you're using a toaster.)

Download: https://tf2maps.net/downloads/propaganda.1927/download?version=17264
Screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/gPfw58l

Love it. Optimization is one of the single most frustrating things in mapmaking. If you still run into issues, you might want to look into fade distances on props / etc if stuff is still rendering obnoxiously.

I've never noted issues myself.

Thanks, hyce. I've been avoiding setting prop fade distances like the plague until I find out which ones are being too problematic, because tweaking each prop individually sounds like hell.

If anybody wants to see the difference in optimization from b12a to b13, I went ahead and took some wireframe screenshots to give an idea of the difference. https://imgur.com/a/dZYDjhi Wireframe is a bit hard to read if you're not familiar with the map, but basically less lines is better.

b14 update:
fixed this issue :^) https://clips.twitch.tv/AbstemiousBrainySardineWow

Download: https://tf2maps.net/downloads/propaganda.1927/download?version=17301
Screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/gPfw58l

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I like your map and here are the minor issues I found

There's a fun clipping issue shown in the following video (much easier to reach as demo)

https://youtu.be/cGqPgFEYsLA

These stairs could be improved by some ramp clipping

https://i.imgur.com/u8G4UTg.jpg

Here too

https://i.imgur.com/n9TTyAo.jpg

You can stand up here which could be undesirable, not sure

https://i.imgur.com/XmvYy3A.jpg

Maybe this bit needs a clipping ramp

https://i.imgur.com/j4Qlz2u.jpg

Theres a strange change of lighting/texture near spawn

https://i.imgur.com/TB8Ufgw.jpg

The towers are missing their spikey bits when viewed from second

https://i.imgur.com/X8C82q4.jpg

The towers are also missing a chunk when viewed from last

https://i.imgur.com/95d0JBe.jpg

The thin face shown here shouldn't be completely black

https://i.imgur.com/xYT11ko.jpg

Same here

https://i.imgur.com/mnr4aMR.jpg

Same here, and typically a different texture is used for spawn doors because they look weird with 2 red circles. Also the red forward spawn on mid has no such overlay, and the last spawns use the normal texture

https://i.imgur.com/RCdDBAm.jpg

This brush has the wrong texture and it looks like there is some off grid geometry

https://i.imgur.com/wOCk4yu.jpg

You can stand here

https://i.imgur.com/gyRK0RV.jpg

This plank is missing a texture when viewed from underneath

https://i.imgur.com/EoiruTq.jpg

Two textures appear to meet here instead of blend into one

https://i.imgur.com/g6tZrqX.jpg

I like that there is a smoke particle effect but it looks more like a slinky

https://i.imgur.com/9KEfT0r.jpg

The paper decals are nice but it looks weird where they go into a wall

https://i.imgur.com/Xxf7gVR.jpg

This type of shutter looks visually great but with such a low ceiling it can make it extra difficult to check for sticky traps, not sure whether this is worth addressing

https://i.imgur.com/m687IqQ.jpg

You can hit your head on these parts when jumping / surfing rockets

https://i.imgur.com/RvaItmH.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/06i0sSM.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/cBZGBfS.jpg

Clipping could artificially lower the ceilings here to prevent horizontal jump velocity from being stopped in what many consider to be a non-intuitive way

https://i.imgur.com/GllMUc3.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/taEkx0D.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ohm86aY.jpg

Clipping around the following parts is awkward (vertical ramps needed):

https://i.imgur.com/ai3313s.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/eLX2rtP.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/byLCDD1.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/PuYKBOQ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/WwczwNe.jpg

The spawns have these light leaking issues (might need to zoom in for the first one):

https://i.imgur.com/ETSjkKV.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/EvTeR0q.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/LeAG2mc.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/RiNlRSK.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/vVSUkCe.jpg

Weird shadows here

https://i.imgur.com/zP2jmOV.jpg

This bench is suspiciously bright

https://i.imgur.com/QYX0u0u.jpg

Most of the map looks great :)

Played a PUG with ten playoffs invite players, and we talked for a good bit about the map after the pug. There's a LOT of repitition and rambling, but there might be some decent opinions in there somewhere

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/363099212?t=01h30m00s

I don't like how the sun blinds you when you look near it

idk if anyone has pointed this out but on 2nd you can bonk ur head on this but not land on it

https://youtu.be/bcWZaC-Lgdg

Just wanted to let y'all know that I appreciate the feedback. I've been fixing most of these issues internally without releasing public versions. So once the season is over and I make some layout changes, (If needed. I'm assuming the map isn't perfect.) I'll be releasing a version then.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/402314311?t=00h46m29s

rip

The biggest issue on the current version of the map lies in the size of the choke points. The connectors between each point are too wide/open so the areas are very difficult to hold in general, and become next to impossible to hold at any sort of disadvantage. Since people can flood through every doorway and there are so many options for skybox walljumps, holding aggressively is impossible, and even holding at midrange is extremely risky. The only way to avoid getting wiped when defending at a disadvantage (by getting surrounded and your exits cut off) is to hold very passively, so points get given up for free when otherwise you might see fights. By making a few of the chokes smaller you would greatly improve this issue. In the following screenshots, green lines are where I would suggest adjusting the choke boundaries to, and any blue lines mark spots where clipping could be smoothed out a bit.

https://i.imgur.com/Z9kkjiX.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/XBmMQIX.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/d8Fxco2.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/6XFqF3v.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/wDzvgqs.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/MEoGeEM.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/4St73IL.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ST5hOKd.jpg

The next biggest issue I'd say would be the health location on middle. In the current position, it is quite awkward to access, especially for any demoman rolling out to mid, injured medics, or for teams after fighting their way through choke. If the health pack was more in the open near the banana stand, I think you'd find fights becoming more spread out across all of mid rather than being so stacked towards the cave/cafe area. Perhaps you could add a small health/ammo in the old spot if it seems necessary.

https://i.imgur.com/dqJXyb4.jpg

A clipping spot that should be smoothed. Backing into this room you can easily get caught here next to the stairs.

https://i.imgur.com/TVPKL6d.jpg

This perch should be removed. It allows you to see over the wall without being shot.

https://i.imgur.com/BtmvEYS.jpg

The majority of this room goes unused since the two passages are right next to each other. The wasted space could be reduced significantly.

https://i.imgur.com/kjO8g4p.jpg

The geometry of the points themselves and the immediate surrounding areas are quite nice, so with just the few changes to the chokes bringing the flow of the map to a more reasonable place, I think the map will be in a pretty great spot. Looking forward to the next versions. Good luck.

I spent a good amount of time talking about this map on stream
here is the vod

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/407210342
edit: sorry if its a bit rambly I kind of lose focus last 20 minutes

Changes from ESEA S30 feedback!

-fixed a lot of the issues pointed out by cin and hoi.
-fixed some rendering issues with the skybox. (and broke some)
-lowered the box by the shack on 2nd so sniper cant stand on it.
-lowered height of shack on mid, so sniper cant get onto the wooden thing next to it.
-shrank spawn and moved entrances away from point.
-scaled down the height of a lot of buildings (I did this for two reasons. The buildings just visually didnt look like the right scale, and it felt a little too easy to high bomb on the map, anyways.)
-shrank down some doorway sizes very slightly slightly. (choke is the only one significatly reduced, and that was just because I shrank the buildings)
-moved the healthpack on mid.
-moved the health kit from second into garage.
-moved mids forward spawn a bit.
-lowered the balcony thing over mids forward spawn.
-improved clipping on the doors in cave.
-lowered height of floor in cave a bit.

Thanks for the feedback everyone, it's much appreciated.
I plan on keeping an eye on spawn timings in the future. I'm not changing it as of now, because it's very easy to mess with some unintended stuff there.

Current version: b15
Download: https://tf2maps.net/downloads/propaganda.1927/download?version=18155
TF2Maps thread: https://tf2maps.net/downloads/propaganda.1927/
Screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/dcrhEue

very cool stuff

Can't wait to try this out

Epic

Small Changes:
-Added a small ramp to the choke going into mid so you don't have to jump million times on the milk crates to get on the fruit stand. https://imgur.com/a/mDxZzlz
-Fixed being able to cap last from the other side of the concrete barrier.

Current version: b16
Download: https://tf2maps.net/downloads/propaganda.1927/download?version=18919
Screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/dcrhEue

Just made some clipping fixes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoemC_2-Fus

Current version: b17
Download: https://tf2maps.net/downloads/propaganda.1927/download?version=20982
Screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/dcrhEue

Something about this map makes it absolutely MISERABLE to play soldier on. I think it has to do with the size of the arenas making soldier cover to much ground and giving scouts all the warning and space in the world to kite-chip you to death. Lots of good concepts and the map is very pretty but i just feel that there is something fundamentally wrong with the scale of everything? IDK im not a map maker.

Why are there so many props on this map that eat splash damage? There's at least 5 things outside of cave on mid that just eat your rocket if you're off by half a millimeter.