Greetings.
Now before I start, I know some of you hate me so if you do, you should probably stop reading past this line as nothing I say will resonate with you (go ahead do your shitposts). However, if you can take things neutrally and think about the following chain of events, please explain to me from your POV how any of this is professional or logical in any sense, because I have been trying for the past 5 hours to make sense of this and apparently no one involved wants to take responsibility nor give a shit.
So my team who got 3rd place (aim/phlps/mason/alec/dingo/me) was told we are also in line to go to the event in the scenario that a team supposed to go cannot go (after Ascent was invited, if another team chose to not go we could go). We were ensured about this multiple times by BTS staff. Now, the team in question of not going was 7 who was still deciding whether or not to go. After 7 decided to not attend, we were deemed illegitimate and entirely skipped by the admin team for some reason with no contact, who then asked euro players to make basically a pug team to go instead. As the admins basically told my team we aren't even in the running anymore YESTERDAY I started looking to play for someone else and I got in touch with the euro pug team in the making. After contacting them I get told that TSC told them that there are "behavior concerns" with my team and that's why we didn't get invited (which we were not informed about), and that automatically transfers to me as a player which makes me illegible to play at the event according to them.
Now first of all, I am very confused since I have never had a problem such as this at a single event I ever attended in any game be it TF2, CSGO, OW or Dota. I went to ask the admins to clarify what this "behaviour concern" means and why would that mean you ban players from ENTIRELY participating or acting as a coach (coaches are allowed at this event and you can sit behind the team) because of those "concerns". Here is what I am met with:
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So I cannot be told the reason apparently because it's a "private matter" but since it is involving me and I asked about it PRIVATELY, I still cannot be told why I'm actually banned from even SPECTATING at an event. And it's not just me, it's multiple people who are subject to this same treatment. Now, at least tell me what those "concerns" are that people have with my team and I and I'd be like "ok that makes sense I guess, shitty but sure I see the logic". However, there is ZERO intention of even telling me or anyone else what is going on.
Another matter is that if me and others get flagged for "concerning behaviour" how are people who said slurs on streams allowed to attend the event? I won't post the names or the slurs, I can message them privately to you through TFTV or discord if you DM me. But seriously, what could I have possibly said or done that bars me from this event yet others who said stuff are allowed to attend? Ok if I said something very offensive, please go ahead and show it to the public so I can suffer the consequences and understand why you chose to ban me and others from spectating/coaching/playing.
And the cherry on the cake: After Nursey got busted for being a pedo, BTS WAS TOTALLY FINE WITH ALLOWING HER TO ATTEND THE EVENT. SOME STAFF EVEN FOUGHT TO LET HER ATTEND.
Based on all of this information, please someone try to make sense of it or one of you BTS admins have the decency to stop hiding information and tell us why we are banned. You cannot just ban people based on NO REASON behind the ban and keep this information private "for my concern". If I'm involved in the matter, you cannot just play the "privacy concerns" issue since I am subject to this information.
Bonus help from the staff*:
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Greetings.
Now before I start, I know some of you hate me so if you do, you should probably stop reading past this line as nothing I say will resonate with you (go ahead do your shitposts). However, if you can take things neutrally and think about the following chain of events, please explain to me from your POV how any of this is professional or logical in any sense, because I have been trying for the past 5 hours to make sense of this and apparently no one involved wants to take responsibility nor give a shit.
So my team who got 3rd place (aim/phlps/mason/alec/dingo/me) was told we are also in line to go to the event in the scenario that a team supposed to go cannot go (after Ascent was invited, if another team chose to not go we could go). We were ensured about this multiple times by BTS staff. Now, the team in question of not going was 7 who was still deciding whether or not to go. After 7 decided to not attend, we were deemed illegitimate and entirely skipped by the admin team for some reason with no contact, who then asked euro players to make basically a pug team to go instead. As the admins basically told my team we aren't even in the running anymore [b]YESTERDAY[/b] I started looking to play for someone else and I got in touch with the euro pug team in the making. After contacting them I get told that TSC told them that there are "behavior concerns" with my team and that's why we didn't get invited (which we were not informed about), and that automatically transfers to me as a player which makes me illegible to play at the event according to them.
Now first of all, I am very confused since I have never had a problem such as this at a single event I ever attended in any game be it TF2, CSGO, OW or Dota. I went to ask the admins to clarify what this "behaviour concern" means and why would that mean you ban players from ENTIRELY participating or acting as a coach (coaches are allowed at this event and you can sit behind the team) because of those "concerns". Here is what I am met with:
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So I cannot be told the reason apparently because it's a "private matter" but since it is involving me and I asked about it PRIVATELY, I still cannot be told why I'm actually banned from even SPECTATING at an event. And it's not just me, it's multiple people who are subject to this same treatment. Now, at least tell me what those "concerns" are that people have with my team and I and I'd be like "ok that makes sense I guess, shitty but sure I see the logic". However, there is ZERO intention of even telling me or anyone else what is going on.
Another matter is that if me and others get flagged for "concerning behaviour" how are people who said slurs on streams allowed to attend the event? I won't post the names or the slurs, I can message them privately to you through TFTV or discord if you DM me. But seriously, what could I have possibly said or done that bars me from this event yet others who said stuff are allowed to attend? Ok if I said something very offensive, please go ahead and show it to the public so I can suffer the consequences and understand why you chose to ban me and others from spectating/coaching/playing.
And the cherry on the cake: [b]After Nursey got busted for being a pedo, BTS WAS TOTALLY FINE WITH ALLOWING HER TO ATTEND THE EVENT. SOME STAFF EVEN FOUGHT TO LET HER ATTEND.[/b]
Based on all of this information, please someone try to make sense of it or one of you BTS admins have the decency to stop hiding information and tell us why we are banned. You cannot just ban people based on NO REASON behind the ban and keep this information private "for my concern". If I'm involved in the matter, you cannot just play the "privacy concerns" issue since I am subject to this information.
Bonus help from the staff*:
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U care too much and u subbed me out cuz i was black in pugchamp cuz i was black U are racist cuz of it Dude Trillin Fr chill Cuzin u aint eva gettin into da bloqq party!!!
U care too much and u subbed me out cuz i was black in pugchamp cuz i was black U are racist cuz of it Dude Trillin Fr chill Cuzin u aint eva gettin into da bloqq party!!!
bts is going full rgl with the no explanation bans
bts is going full rgl with the no explanation bans
How did alfa Get banned but Dogo WEnt?>??? Jhit Finna shut alot of yall up!!!!!! Comeback Szn BABIE!!!
How did alfa Get banned but Dogo WEnt?>??? Jhit Finna shut alot of yall up!!!!!! Comeback Szn BABIE!!!
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i hope ya'll receive a reasonable explanation but bts doesn't really have to provide an explanation. given their stance it's probably something dumb like "i dont like x person on this team because of x personal reason" which is bs – shame on bts if that is the case.
i hope ya'll receive a reasonable explanation but bts doesn't really have to provide an explanation. given their stance it's probably something dumb like "i dont like x person on this team because of x personal reason" which is bs – shame on bts if that is the case.
didnt read but wow thats crazy
didnt read but wow thats crazy
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Tino_Wiets not an admin...
epic cherrypick of the least important thing in the thread
[quote=Tino_]Wiets not an admin...[/quote]
epic cherrypick of the least important thing in the thread
It seems like a response is required here so I'll keep it brief: we don't get involved with drama, we don't get involved with private matters. The concerns raised to TSC were done so privately and there's no reason to further involve ourselves in what should be a private matter. Regarding Nursey, she reached out to me and let me know that she was removing herself from Froyotech's roster before we had made any decision.
Gossip is dangerous; since the inception of this event I've been hearing a lot of it, and most of it has been completely contrary to the very open and real information we put out from day 1. It's caused a great deal of time and energy from our staff correcting misunderstandings of information we were already very clear about.
It concerns me that so much of your frustration seems to result from gossip and not from fact. Please note in future that any verbal abuse toward my admins will not be considered acceptable, no one deserves to be spoken to this way.
It seems like a response is required here so I'll keep it brief: we don't get involved with drama, we don't get involved with private matters. The concerns raised to TSC were done so privately and there's no reason to further involve ourselves in what should be a private matter. Regarding Nursey, she reached out to me and let me know that she was removing herself from Froyotech's roster before we had made any decision.
Gossip is dangerous; since the inception of this event I've been hearing a lot of it, and most of it has been completely contrary to the very open and real information we put out from day 1. It's caused a great deal of time and energy from our staff correcting misunderstandings of information we were already very clear about.
It concerns me that so much of your frustration seems to result from gossip and not from fact. Please note in future that any verbal abuse toward my admins will not be considered acceptable, no one deserves to be spoken to this way.
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im really confused by how you complain about them not thinking logically while at the same time throwing a massive temper tantrum for the past 7 hours
im really confused by how you complain about them not thinking logically while at the same time throwing a massive temper tantrum for the past 7 hours
Maybe you should've informed him he couldn't attend BEFORE he went through the qualifier? And is there really no way you could even tell him what the problem is in the most broad way possible without outing anyone who's involved?
samifacePlease note in future that any verbal abuse toward my admins will not be considered acceptable, no one deserves to be spoken to this way.
If someone's being retarded they deserve to be called out as being retarded
Maybe you should've informed him he couldn't attend BEFORE he went through the qualifier? And is there really no way you could even tell him what the problem is in the most broad way possible without outing anyone who's involved?
[quote=samiface]Please note in future that any verbal abuse toward my admins will not be considered acceptable, no one deserves to be spoken to this way.[/quote]
If someone's being retarded they deserve to be called out as being retarded
unban me from your stream i did nothing wrong you pepega
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**conclusion: Alfa my bro your just to toxic for lan im sorrry that is what admins think, since its their lan they can pick and choose bans as they see fit. Guess you gotta just get over it.**
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unban me from your stream i did nothing wrong you pepega
*edit: finished reading post*
**conclusion: Alfa my bro your just to toxic for lan im sorrry that is what admins think, since its their lan they can pick and choose bans as they see fit. Guess you gotta just get over it.**
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samifaceIt seems like a response is required here so I'll keep it brief: we don't get involved with drama, we don't get involved with private matters. The concerns raised to TSC were done so privately and there's no reason to further involve ourselves in what should be a private matter. Regarding Nursey, she reached out to me and let me know that she was removing herself from Froyotech's roster before we had made any decision.
Gossip is dangerous; since the inception of this event I've been hearing a lot of it, and most of it has been completely contrary to the very open and real information we put out from day 1. It's caused a great deal of time and energy from our staff correcting misunderstandings of information we were already very clear about.
It concerns me that so much of your frustration seems to result from gossip and not from fact. Please note in future that any verbal abuse toward my admins will not be considered acceptable, no one deserves to be spoken to this way.
yeah id take this a lot more seriously if i didnt have multiple people telling me that your admins have no problem telling other teams about the ineligibility of players on my team before reaching out to me specifically
what would have happened if we played out of our mind and bear had a meltdown and we won the qualifier?
whats the timetable for you guys deciding alfa is a toxic asset and somebody who you want to bar from your lan?
if youre asking european players to fork over ~1k a person just to make a mix team to go to lan i do not understand why i havent been contacted. i am the captain of my team- not alfa. if youre so desperate for teams youre pinging alba daily to make a mix just to travel and get 7/8th you should probably be pinging na players too
i understand this is a privately hosted, invite only event but i dont understand why you guys are so down to talk to everybody but the players your decisions affect about them
its really odd to have the last thing one of your organizerss say to me is 'just confirming your 6 can go to lan? because youre probably going to go' and then nothing but radio silence for weeks
all of this could have been avoided if IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING QUALIFIERS somebody could've given me a straight answer that my roster had ineligible players on it, its not a big deal to find somebody who can go to a lan 3 months out
[quote=samiface]It seems like a response is required here so I'll keep it brief: we don't get involved with drama, we don't get involved with private matters. The concerns raised to TSC were done so privately and there's no reason to further involve ourselves in what should be a private matter. Regarding Nursey, she reached out to me and let me know that she was removing herself from Froyotech's roster before we had made any decision.
Gossip is dangerous; since the inception of this event I've been hearing a lot of it, and most of it has been completely contrary to the very open and real information we put out from day 1. It's caused a great deal of time and energy from our staff correcting misunderstandings of information we were already very clear about.
It concerns me that so much of your frustration seems to result from gossip and not from fact. Please note in future that any verbal abuse toward my admins will not be considered acceptable, no one deserves to be spoken to this way.[/quote]
yeah id take this a lot more seriously if i didnt have multiple people telling me that your admins have no problem telling other teams about the ineligibility of players on my team before reaching out to me specifically
what would have happened if we played out of our mind and bear had a meltdown and we won the qualifier?
whats the timetable for you guys deciding alfa is a toxic asset and somebody who you want to bar from your lan?
if youre asking european players to fork over ~1k a person just to make a mix team to go to lan i do not understand why i havent been contacted. i am the captain of my team- not alfa. if youre so desperate for teams youre pinging alba daily to make a mix just to travel and get 7/8th you should probably be pinging na players too
i understand this is a privately hosted, invite only event but i dont understand why you guys are so down to talk to everybody but the players your decisions affect about them
its really odd to have the last thing one of your organizerss say to me is 'just confirming your 6 can go to lan? because youre probably going to go' and then nothing but radio silence for weeks
all of this could have been avoided if IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING QUALIFIERS somebody could've given me a straight answer that my roster had ineligible players on it, its not a big deal to find somebody who can go to a lan 3 months out
HuggesMaybe you should've informed him he couldn't attend BEFORE he went through the qualifier? And is there really no way you could even tell him what the problem is in the most broad way possible without outing anyone who's involved.
So just to be clear, only like 3 people (I am not one of them) actually even know what the problem actually is. On top of that this is something that apparantly surfaced after the qualifiers ended. As tsc says, he doesn't take banning people from an event lightly. On top of that due to the community size, even giving a vague outline of the problems would narrow down the people quite drastically, and last time I checked you usually dont want to let the proverbial mob boss know who or what the rat said. Yet again, I dont know the problem or really care to know, but the idea that people should be required to out the leaks is ridiculous, especially if it was something to the point that they are getting banned for it.
[quote=Hugges]Maybe you should've informed him he couldn't attend BEFORE he went through the qualifier? And is there really no way you could even tell him what the problem is in the most broad way possible without outing anyone who's involved. [/quote]
So just to be clear, only like 3 people (I am not one of them) actually even know what the problem actually is. On top of that this is something that apparantly surfaced after the qualifiers ended. As tsc says, he doesn't take banning people from an event lightly. On top of that due to the community size, even giving a vague outline of the problems would narrow down the people quite drastically, and last time I checked you usually dont want to let the proverbial mob boss know who or what the rat said. Yet again, I dont know the problem or really care to know, but the idea that people should be required to out the leaks is ridiculous, especially if it was something to the point that they are getting banned for it.
just say who is banned you tremendous pussies holy fucking shit ugc/esea/faceit/rgl post their bans publicly how can't yall do the same
just say who is banned you tremendous pussies holy fucking shit ugc/esea/faceit/rgl post their bans publicly how can't yall do the same
HuggessamifacePlease note in future that any verbal abuse toward my admins will not be considered acceptable, no one deserves to be spoken to this way.
If someone's being retarded they deserve to be called out as being retarded
woah maybe this is a hint as to why he’s not invited. also, let’s be real, you wouldn’t let some retard insult you and your mates then let him come play and enjoy something you’re hosting, spending your own time, effort and money on.
alfaAfter Nursey got busted for being a pedo, BTS WAS TOTALLY FINE WITH ALLOWING HER TO ATTEND THE EVENT. SOME STAFF EVEN FOUGHT TO LET HER ATTEND.
right u rly can’t say something like this and not prove it.
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[quote=samiface]Please note in future that any verbal abuse toward my admins will not be considered acceptable, no one deserves to be spoken to this way.[/quote]
If someone's being retarded they deserve to be called out as being retarded[/quote]
woah maybe this is a hint as to why he’s not invited. also, let’s be real, you wouldn’t let some retard insult you and your mates then let him come play and enjoy something you’re hosting, spending your own time, effort and money on.
[quote=alfa]After Nursey got busted for being a pedo, BTS WAS TOTALLY FINE WITH ALLOWING HER TO ATTEND THE EVENT. SOME STAFF EVEN FOUGHT TO LET HER ATTEND.[/quote] right u rly can’t say something like this and not prove it.
yea what the fuck could alfa have POSSIBLY done to make this deserving lol he's not the nicest but definitely not like he's the most toxic person in the community
yea what the fuck could alfa have POSSIBLY done to make this deserving lol he's not the nicest but definitely not like he's the most toxic person in the community
https://twitter.com/4G_b4nny/status/1180585191447781378
b4nny was right...
If ur not letting someone go to lan because they're "toxic" you should grow the fuck up
If ur not letting someone go to lan because they're "toxic" you should grow the fuck up
aierajust say who is banned you tremendous pussies holy fucking shit ugc/esea/faceit/rgl post their bans publicly how can't yall do the same
bro its 2019 you gotta stay woke you cant leak peoples identities now can you.
[quote=aiera]just say who is banned you tremendous pussies holy fucking shit ugc/esea/faceit/rgl post their bans publicly how can't yall do the same[/quote]
bro its 2019 you gotta stay woke you cant leak peoples identities now can you.
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how can he even defend himself from the allegation if u straight up ban him without him knowing what it is?
samiface we don't get involved with private matters
isnt that exactly what this is if ur banning someone based on a secret private complaint?
how can he even defend himself from the allegation if u straight up ban him without him knowing what it is?[quote=samiface] we don't get involved with private matters[/quote]
isnt that exactly what this is if ur banning someone based on a secret private complaint?
Good luck everybody else. You don't get to know what the rules are but you better hope to God you don't break em.
Alfa is probably the most accomplished player in tf2 that has never played with b4nny. He deserves a lot better than this.
Good luck everybody else. You don't get to know what the rules are but you better hope to God you don't break em.
Alfa is probably the most accomplished player in tf2 that has never played with b4nny. He deserves a lot better than this.
Everyone whos involved with BTS seems to be winging this event. TSC has always had some ego/social issues, so his stance on all this isn't surprising. It's really no shock this game is dying when yall being assholes to each other, holding grudges like you're in high school.
"You made a mistake 2 years ago? Good fucking luck because we won't ever forget or forgive what you've done. Playing on the same team as people we don't like? Your team has behavior issues and can't come to our b4nny party "
Fuck this way of thinking. I'll see you at RGB, the only tf2 event in NA that really matters.
Everyone whos involved with BTS seems to be winging this event. TSC has always had some ego/social issues, so his stance on all this isn't surprising. It's really no shock this game is dying when yall being assholes to each other, holding grudges like you're in high school.
"You made a mistake 2 years ago? Good fucking luck because we won't ever forget or forgive what you've done. Playing on the same team as people we don't like? Your team has behavior issues and can't come to our b4nny party "
Fuck this way of thinking. I'll see you at RGB, the only tf2 event in NA that really matters.