You should just try and play the way that you think benefits your team the most. Every class has different roles or play styles that they can do. Its just finding the one that's best for your team. every team is different so the secret is finding the way you want to play and have everybody be on the same page with that.

if you a buff, you are now the aggressive scout

if you are hurt, you are now the passive scout

MGE your scout partner, the winner is now the aggressive scout and the loser becomes the passive scout.

Rules of engagement are as follows:

1. If you lose a scout 1v1 and become the passive scout, you may not challenge your scout partner until 1 month from the initial engagement has passed.**

** The following rule does not apply if a new scout partner is found.

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The way I see it, is it's good to have a designated passive and aggressive scout just for certain situations so people can default to those positions and you know where everyone is. For example on midfights, one scout can default to protecting the demo while the other one plays more aggressively. But like hooli said, it's no good to stick to those roles rigidly.

Passive-aggressive scout pulls out his boston basher, and doesn't use it, just to trick his medic into buffing him.

Passive-aggressive scout doesn't call picks: he calls players who have taken no damage. "Med is not lit. Med is still not lit. Med is still not lit. Pocket is not taking damage. Med is still not lit."

i think defensive scout makes more sense than passive scout.
I dont think its really necessary to have passive/aggressive scouts for anything other than mid fights. if your passive scout has it stuck in his head that he has to play passively then he's going to skip out on a lot of opportunities.

i think defensive scout makes more sense than passive scout.
I dont think its really necessary to have passive/aggressive scouts for anything other than mid fights. if your passive scout has it stuck in his head that he has to play passively then he's going to skip out on a lot of opportunities.

I think you should only have a passive/aggro scout system when the players naturally play that way. Also, i wouldn't underestimate the importance of your passive scout having good dm because he's the one protecting your demo, who is the 2nd most important person on your team. Passive scouts need to excel at mid-range scattergun aim so they can deter opposing scouts from aggressing on their demo.

EDIT: HOLY SHIT I FUCKED THAT UP LOL

i dont believe in passive or aggressive

Scouts shouldn't be suicidal as often as they are, the only time they should provoke 1 on 1's is when it's a pure flank and a guaranteed victory or if you know they're a 1 shot kill. Otherwise you're better off staying alive and cleaning up the high damage output of your heavies. If you're always dead then your heavies have no support/weak flank. The truly great scouts have mastered what to do in every different situation. When to cover the flank, when to get aggressive off any kind of advantage, and playing off their team. Even if you have amazing dm and you're constantly going in for 1on1's or bad situations you won't come away with a solid k/d or help your team as much as you could if you just played off your team from the get go. The great scouts who get 2/1 or even 3/1 k/d's are the ones I just explained. Basically it's just situational. That's my take on it anyway. Some people have that 6th sense of knowing what to do in every situation and some people just simply don't have that ability. That is what really seperates a good scout and a bad scout. Not the defined roles.

The passive scout plays correctly most of the time and supports his team.

The aggressive scout runs at the other team and dies at the wrong times while claiming that he is supposed to do this because he is the aggressive scout.

Marxist's write up is awesome. In my opinion, it should be a quick article on tf.tv. It's a great description for the current meta-game. Unless, everyone wants to keep this idea on the down-low.

But the passive scout v aggressive has always tripped up newer teams/scouts. Because they think Momma scout (passive scout) is not powerful (please refer to cyzer/ruwin) and aggressive scout is just +forwarding all the time (refer to clockwork/yz50). When in fact, the aggressive and passive scout roles are not just +forwarding vs protecting. If you watch the top IM/invite scouts, you will see that it is not always clearly defined. They both protect when they need to, cap when they need to, and find holes in the opposing team's defense whenever they have an opportunity. That's the beauty of scout, both scouts can dictate how strong a team is (or even weaken a team if they pick bad times to be agg or passive).

ruwin isn't exactly a passive scout >_>

True, I just like watching ruwin because he is so smart with his heals. But if you watch him he is not just constantly pushing flanks when his team needs him. I guess what I am saying is, buff ruwin ... miracles happen. :D [Like I said, the roles are not always one scout pushes w alot and the other is smarter.]

I'd always view my scout play as reactionary rather than passive or aggressive.

The situation should dictate who does what. If I'm already pushed past mid chasing the opposing combo I'm not going to drop back and cap because I'm the passive scout.