ngl that's kinda cringe
so are y'all gonna be voting for joe biden now
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The sad thing is that if Trump is reelected, he will nominate a conservative justice to the supreme court after Ginsburg retires. So Joe Biden at the very least will not nominate someone awful.
The sad thing is that if Trump is reelected, he will nominate a conservative justice to the supreme court after Ginsburg retires. So Joe Biden at the very least will not nominate someone awful.
If Joe Biden gets formally diagnosed with dementia does he stay in office?
If Joe Biden gets formally diagnosed with dementia does he stay in office?
dbkIf Joe Biden gets formally diagnosed with dementia does he stay in office?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
[quote=dbk]If Joe Biden gets formally diagnosed with dementia does he stay in office?[/quote]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
Boomers really are fighting tooth and nail to make sure the young people of todays world don't have the priveliges they themselves had growing up.
Honestly though every part of the American electoral system is unjust, rigged or stupid. It's designed not to allow for change.
Boomers really are fighting tooth and nail to make sure the young people of todays world don't have the priveliges they themselves had growing up.
Honestly though every part of the American electoral system is unjust, rigged or stupid. It's designed not to allow for change.
Honestly though every part of the American electoral system is unjust, rigged or stupid. It's designed not to allow for change.
CollaideBoomers really are fighting tooth and nail to make sure the young people of todays world don't have the priveliges they themselves had growing up.
Honestly though every part of the American electoral system is unjust, rigged or stupid. It's designed not to allow for change.
Or maybe it's not a mass conspiracy against change and instead it's that the average voter isn't as progressive as you think they are and prefer more moderate, politically effective politicians. The only thing that matters to me is if trump wins again there's no promise Ginsburg makes it another 4 years and we could end up with a conservative supreme court which in my opinion would not be good. So I'll be voting for Biden.
[quote=Collaide]Boomers really are fighting tooth and nail to make sure the young people of todays world don't have the priveliges they themselves had growing up.
Honestly though every part of the American electoral system is unjust, rigged or stupid. It's designed not to allow for change.[/quote]
Or maybe it's not a mass conspiracy against change and instead it's that the average voter isn't as progressive as you think they are and prefer more moderate, politically effective politicians. The only thing that matters to me is if trump wins again there's no promise Ginsburg makes it another 4 years and we could end up with a conservative supreme court which in my opinion would not be good. So I'll be voting for Biden.
Honestly though every part of the American electoral system is unjust, rigged or stupid. It's designed not to allow for change.[/quote]
Or maybe it's not a mass conspiracy against change and instead it's that the average voter isn't as progressive as you think they are and prefer more moderate, politically effective politicians. The only thing that matters to me is if trump wins again there's no promise Ginsburg makes it another 4 years and we could end up with a conservative supreme court which in my opinion would not be good. So I'll be voting for Biden.
god i am so glad im not american. I literally cannot comprehend how your country is so backward. it's like you guys want to go back to the 1960's or something. literally every other first world country has universal healthcare lmfao
also bernie is only 150 delegates behind or something. if young people can get motivated there's still a chance.
god i am so glad im not american. I literally cannot comprehend how your country is so backward. it's like you guys want to go back to the 1960's or something. literally every other first world country has universal healthcare lmfao
also bernie is only 150 delegates behind or something. if young people can get motivated there's still a chance.
also bernie is only 150 delegates behind or something. if young people can get motivated there's still a chance.
Reflecto Or maybe it's not a mass conspiracy against change and instead it's that the average voter isn't as progressive as you think they are and prefer more moderate, politically effective politicians. The only thing that matters to me is if trump wins again there's no promise Ginsburg makes it another 4 years and we could end up with a conservative supreme court which in my opinion would not be good. So I'll be voting for Biden.
name one part of the american voting process and i'll show you 5 flaws. that has nothing to do with any conspiracy.
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and, like in many other countries, a low turnout favors corporations & the wealthy. their lobbyists will not be pushing for things like voter registration, and making voting easier because it harms their prospects.
and yes the average voter clearly is more moderate, but thats because the turnout is so low. younger voters are significantly more progressive than the "average voter". lets not ignore the independents who are also fairly progressive, but for some reason they're not allowed to vote in some primaries??
[quote=Reflecto] Or maybe it's not a mass conspiracy against change and instead it's that the average voter isn't as progressive as you think they are and prefer more moderate, politically effective politicians. The only thing that matters to me is if trump wins again there's no promise Ginsburg makes it another 4 years and we could end up with a conservative supreme court which in my opinion would not be good. So I'll be voting for Biden. [/quote]
name one part of the american voting process and i'll show you 5 flaws. that has nothing to do with any conspiracy.
edit:
and, like in many other countries, a low turnout favors corporations & the wealthy. their lobbyists will not be pushing for things like voter registration, and making voting easier because it harms their prospects.
and yes the average voter clearly is more moderate, but thats because the turnout is so low. younger voters are significantly more progressive than the "average voter". lets not ignore the independents who are also fairly progressive, but for some reason they're not allowed to vote in some primaries??
name one part of the american voting process and i'll show you 5 flaws. that has nothing to do with any conspiracy.
edit:
and, like in many other countries, a low turnout favors corporations & the wealthy. their lobbyists will not be pushing for things like voter registration, and making voting easier because it harms their prospects.
and yes the average voter clearly is more moderate, but thats because the turnout is so low. younger voters are significantly more progressive than the "average voter". lets not ignore the independents who are also fairly progressive, but for some reason they're not allowed to vote in some primaries??
you guys literally have trump as your president, you fucking better vote for whoever wins the nomination. even if it's this guy
https://i.imgur.com/iHs0nkH.png
small steps guys, small steps
you guys literally have trump as your president, you fucking better vote for whoever wins the nomination. even if it's this guy
[img]https://i.imgur.com/iHs0nkH.png[/img]
small steps guys, small steps
[img]https://i.imgur.com/iHs0nkH.png[/img]
small steps guys, small steps
gemmsmall steps guys, small steps
dementia joe is a small step down from obama
[quote=gemm]
small steps guys, small steps[/quote]
dementia joe is a small step down from obama
small steps guys, small steps[/quote]
dementia joe is a small step down from obama
[youtube]https://youtu.be/N8CCLJSG9s8[/youtube]
[youtube]https://youtu.be/r4NmtSrqtvI[/youtube]
[youtube]https://youtu.be/oi-Yrrw32gw[/youtube]
https://joebiden.info/
[youtube]https://youtu.be/r4NmtSrqtvI[/youtube]
[youtube]https://youtu.be/oi-Yrrw32gw[/youtube]
https://joebiden.info/
too bad the DNC in 2016 was rigged against Bernie and he was ok with it. Now the dems face an incumbent prez, as incompetent as he may be, the geriatric fucks (including bernie) stand no chance in 2020, just gonna end up like bob dole vs clinton 2
too bad the DNC in 2016 was rigged against Bernie and he was ok with it. Now the dems face an incumbent prez, as incompetent as he may be, the geriatric fucks (including bernie) stand no chance in 2020, just gonna end up like bob dole vs clinton 2
stop electing old people you retards! yang could have saved your country but that ship has sailed. sanders is a million times better than biden. hes still quite sharp, has been consistent on policy his entire career, isn't a pedophile, has a grand vision for the future of america, has a comprehensive climate change plan etc. dont fall for the 'but bernie is a socialist!' bullshit. 'socialists' like bernie are the reason why scandinavia, switzerland, netherlands, nz etc are better places to live than america
stop electing old people you retards! yang could have saved your country but that ship has sailed. sanders is a million times better than biden. hes still quite sharp, has been consistent on policy his entire career, isn't a pedophile, has a grand vision for the future of america, has a comprehensive climate change plan etc. dont fall for the 'but bernie is a socialist!' bullshit. 'socialists' like bernie are the reason why scandinavia, switzerland, netherlands, nz etc are better places to live than america
imagine unironically thinking that america is the greatest country on earth
imagine unironically thinking that america is the greatest country on earth
this thread claims to be speaking to americans, but do not be fooled
this is a thread for everyone else
this thread claims to be speaking to americans, but do not be fooled
this is a thread for everyone else
this is a thread for everyone else
-protostop electing old people you retards! yang could have saved your country but that ship has sailed.
Yang still has like 40 years in politics ahead of him to advance his agenda. UBI is cool but the timing is off, wait a few decades and automation will become a more prominent issue and he will have a better chance of being the nominee.
[quote=-proto]stop electing old people you retards! yang could have saved your country but that ship has sailed. [/quote]
Yang still has like 40 years in politics ahead of him to advance his agenda. UBI is cool but the timing is off, wait a few decades and automation will become a more prominent issue and he will have a better chance of being the nominee.
Yang still has like 40 years in politics ahead of him to advance his agenda. UBI is cool but the timing is off, wait a few decades and automation will become a more prominent issue and he will have a better chance of being the nominee.
snifflol @ first worlders arguing over politics
unfortunately, American politics may affect people in the rest of the world
I'm voting for who ever is nominated :-(. I like Bernie over Biden, but if Biden is nominated he's who I am voting for.
If anyone is concerned with his mental health: trumps mental health
If anyone is concerned with his record: trumps record in like the last six months is worse.
[quote=sniff]lol @ first worlders arguing over politics[/quote]
unfortunately, American politics may affect people in the rest of the world
I'm voting for who ever is nominated :-(. I like Bernie over Biden, but if Biden is nominated he's who I am voting for.
If anyone is concerned with his mental health: trumps mental health
If anyone is concerned with his record: trumps record in like the last six months is worse.
unfortunately, American politics may affect people in the rest of the world
I'm voting for who ever is nominated :-(. I like Bernie over Biden, but if Biden is nominated he's who I am voting for.
If anyone is concerned with his mental health: trumps mental health
If anyone is concerned with his record: trumps record in like the last six months is worse.
please dont make me vote for biden. like i will over 4 more years of trump, but i really dont want to.
please dont make me vote for biden. like i will over 4 more years of trump, but i really dont want to.
this might be the dumbest take ive ever had, but I think trump might actually be the better choice if you want a progressive president asap (im not gonna vote for him or anything though)
after 4 more years of trump + another moderate losing the general, there’s a chance to get a real progressive elected in 2024, since electability concerns are more minor in elections with no incumbent. if biden gets elected that could be 8 years of him, and then 8 years of a republican swing after biden doesnt get anything done
of course 4 years of biden would be better than 4 years of trump, but it sets up american politics to continue being shitty for a long time
this might be the dumbest take ive ever had, but I think trump might actually be the better choice if you want a progressive president asap (im not gonna vote for him or anything though)
after 4 more years of trump + another moderate losing the general, there’s a chance to get a real progressive elected in 2024, since electability concerns are more minor in elections with no incumbent. if biden gets elected that could be 8 years of him, and then 8 years of a republican swing after biden doesnt get anything done
of course 4 years of biden would be better than 4 years of trump, but it sets up american politics to continue being shitty for a long time
after 4 more years of trump + another moderate losing the general, there’s a chance to get a real progressive elected in 2024, since electability concerns are more minor in elections with no incumbent. if biden gets elected that could be 8 years of him, and then 8 years of a republican swing after biden doesnt get anything done
of course 4 years of biden would be better than 4 years of trump, but it sets up american politics to continue being shitty for a long time
trippa
IMO that doesn't really make sense.
1. Biden is probably only running for this term? https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/11/biden-single-term-082129
2. I'm also not confident that it will be very easy to return to normal after four more years of trump, let alone rapidly implement progressive policies... things seem to be getting worse and worse with him since he's fired all the people who would tell him "no" :-/. There's stuff we still haven't even seen the consequences of. (I.e., we're just now seeing the effects of him axing cdc funding and removing house pandemic response team two years ago)
[quote=trippa][/quote]
IMO that doesn't really make sense.
1. Biden is probably only running for this term? https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/11/biden-single-term-082129
2. I'm also not confident that it will be very easy to return to normal after four more years of trump, let alone rapidly implement progressive policies... things seem to be getting worse and worse with him since he's fired all the people who would tell him "no" :-/. There's stuff we still haven't even seen the consequences of. (I.e., we're just now seeing the effects of him axing cdc funding and removing house pandemic response team two years ago)
IMO that doesn't really make sense.
1. Biden is probably only running for this term? https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/11/biden-single-term-082129
2. I'm also not confident that it will be very easy to return to normal after four more years of trump, let alone rapidly implement progressive policies... things seem to be getting worse and worse with him since he's fired all the people who would tell him "no" :-/. There's stuff we still haven't even seen the consequences of. (I.e., we're just now seeing the effects of him axing cdc funding and removing house pandemic response team two years ago)
trippathis might be the dumbest take ive ever had, but I think trump might actually be the better choice if you want a progressive president asap (im not gonna vote for him or anything though)
after 4 more years of trump + another moderate losing the general, there’s a chance to get a real progressive elected in 2024, since electability concerns are more minor in elections with no incumbent. if biden gets elected that could be 8 years of him, and then 8 years of a republican swing after biden doesnt get anything done
of course 4 years of biden would be better than 4 years of trump, but it sets up american politics to continue being shitty for a long time
Yea I'm gonna vote for biden anyways if it comes to it in the general, but I lowkey hope he loses so they will finally realize the 'safe choice' doesn't win elections when you have to inspire new people to get out and vote. Granted, I'm sure whatever happens they *will* blame it on bernie and anyone who voted 3rd party, and their collective cognitive dissonance will prevent them from ever admitting any fault of their own for alienating all of the young people who wanted Bernie.
My hope is that if he doesn't get the nomination, Bernie can at least talk with Biden and get him to shift his platform further left on certain issues at least. If we can get him to budge on tuition free college, or legalizing marijuana, or maybe $15/hr minimum wage, I can see Bernie getting the left to unite behind him. But the sad thing is this probably won't happen, ironically the exact people who use the buzzword 'unity' every other sentence in order to try and smear Bernie seem to be completely against compromising and uniting around core progressive policies.
The unfortunate thing is that Biden's record on TPP and cutting social security and voting for the iraq war (and on and on) is so bad that even if he claims to support whatever progressive policies Bernie gets him to, it will be a pretty hard sell. The thing with Hillary was at least people believed she would do some of the things she ended up claiming once they shifted the platform further left, and she was a woman so naturally she would fight for women's issues (whereas Joe said he thinks a woman shouldn't have control over her own body and roe v wade went too far....)
Hopefully enough people realize how dangerous Trump is that they don't let him win again, but honestly 4 years of Biden-supported fracking and lack of real mobilization to address climate change would potentially be worse for our environment and progressive issues in the long term, cause it would most likely follow with another republican in the future. Even if Trump can't run, he can endorse whoever does and campaign hard for them and pretty easily rally all of his supporters to get behind them. Moral of the story is young people need to get the fuck out and vote, disenfranchisement and voter suppression is a big obstacle but we have the numbers we just need to turn out. Hopefully we can avoid all these nightmare scenarios and not have to vote for either Biden or Trump lmao.
[quote=trippa]this might be the dumbest take ive ever had, but I think trump might actually be the better choice if you want a progressive president asap (im not gonna vote for him or anything though)
after 4 more years of trump + another moderate losing the general, there’s a chance to get a real progressive elected in 2024, since electability concerns are more minor in elections with no incumbent. if biden gets elected that could be 8 years of him, and then 8 years of a republican swing after biden doesnt get anything done
of course 4 years of biden would be better than 4 years of trump, but it sets up american politics to continue being shitty for a long time[/quote]
Yea I'm gonna vote for biden anyways if it comes to it in the general, but I lowkey hope he loses so they will finally realize the 'safe choice' doesn't win elections when you have to inspire new people to get out and vote. Granted, I'm sure whatever happens they *will* blame it on bernie and anyone who voted 3rd party, and their collective cognitive dissonance will prevent them from ever admitting any fault of their own for alienating all of the young people who wanted Bernie.
My hope is that if he doesn't get the nomination, Bernie can at least talk with Biden and get him to shift his platform further left on certain issues at least. If we can get him to budge on tuition free college, or legalizing marijuana, or maybe $15/hr minimum wage, I can see Bernie getting the left to unite behind him. But the sad thing is this probably won't happen, ironically the exact people who use the buzzword 'unity' every other sentence in order to try and smear Bernie seem to be completely against compromising and uniting around core progressive policies.
The unfortunate thing is that Biden's record on TPP and cutting social security and voting for the iraq war (and on and on) is so bad that even if he claims to support whatever progressive policies Bernie gets him to, it will be a pretty hard sell. The thing with Hillary was at least people believed she would do some of the things she ended up claiming once they shifted the platform further left, and she was a woman so naturally she would fight for women's issues (whereas Joe said he thinks a woman shouldn't have control over her own body and roe v wade went too far....)
Hopefully enough people realize how dangerous Trump is that they don't let him win again, but honestly 4 years of Biden-supported fracking and lack of real mobilization to address climate change would potentially be worse for our environment and progressive issues in the long term, cause it would most likely follow with another republican in the future. Even if Trump can't run, he can endorse whoever does and campaign hard for them and pretty easily rally all of his supporters to get behind them. Moral of the story is young people need to get the fuck out and vote, disenfranchisement and voter suppression is a big obstacle but we have the numbers we just need to turn out. Hopefully we can avoid all these nightmare scenarios and not have to vote for either Biden or Trump lmao.
after 4 more years of trump + another moderate losing the general, there’s a chance to get a real progressive elected in 2024, since electability concerns are more minor in elections with no incumbent. if biden gets elected that could be 8 years of him, and then 8 years of a republican swing after biden doesnt get anything done
of course 4 years of biden would be better than 4 years of trump, but it sets up american politics to continue being shitty for a long time[/quote]
Yea I'm gonna vote for biden anyways if it comes to it in the general, but I lowkey hope he loses so they will finally realize the 'safe choice' doesn't win elections when you have to inspire new people to get out and vote. Granted, I'm sure whatever happens they *will* blame it on bernie and anyone who voted 3rd party, and their collective cognitive dissonance will prevent them from ever admitting any fault of their own for alienating all of the young people who wanted Bernie.
My hope is that if he doesn't get the nomination, Bernie can at least talk with Biden and get him to shift his platform further left on certain issues at least. If we can get him to budge on tuition free college, or legalizing marijuana, or maybe $15/hr minimum wage, I can see Bernie getting the left to unite behind him. But the sad thing is this probably won't happen, ironically the exact people who use the buzzword 'unity' every other sentence in order to try and smear Bernie seem to be completely against compromising and uniting around core progressive policies.
The unfortunate thing is that Biden's record on TPP and cutting social security and voting for the iraq war (and on and on) is so bad that even if he claims to support whatever progressive policies Bernie gets him to, it will be a pretty hard sell. The thing with Hillary was at least people believed she would do some of the things she ended up claiming once they shifted the platform further left, and she was a woman so naturally she would fight for women's issues (whereas Joe said he thinks a woman shouldn't have control over her own body and roe v wade went too far....)
Hopefully enough people realize how dangerous Trump is that they don't let him win again, but honestly 4 years of Biden-supported fracking and lack of real mobilization to address climate change would potentially be worse for our environment and progressive issues in the long term, cause it would most likely follow with another republican in the future. Even if Trump can't run, he can endorse whoever does and campaign hard for them and pretty easily rally all of his supporters to get behind them. Moral of the story is young people need to get the fuck out and vote, disenfranchisement and voter suppression is a big obstacle but we have the numbers we just need to turn out. Hopefully we can avoid all these nightmare scenarios and not have to vote for either Biden or Trump lmao.
It's so fucking painful that most of the voter base is old people and they do not vote based on policy.
It's so fucking painful that most of the voter base is old people and they do not vote based on policy.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQOeKMgWsAA1a61?format=png&name=small
im still holding out
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im still holding out
im still holding out
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