I like the juicy hypocrisy from b4nny. On his streams and on yomps' stream they discuss with each other why these plugins are only benefitting the competitive players and disregard all other (casual and new) players, yet in the twitch clip he comes up with the most bullshit excuse to dodge that explanation. "It would spoil it". Has he ended up telling what good does the med speed buff bring or no? Because if not, he has had a hand in enforcing a change that ONLY HE knows how to use for "growing the game", in reality stagnating it into shit.

someone pay a flight to america and i will come face to face with the b4nman with a list of demands(tf2 of course)

So what do you think are the positives and negatives of the medic speed buff

The gunboats give the resistance. Gunboats and shotgun all have their trade offs.

You also cannot buff a class with a base resistance like that either.

it is kind of annoying to rocket a scout as you turn a corner, do 100 to yourself, and he one shots you with his first shot.

But then, it also kind of makes sense that you also take a fuck load of damage from shooting a body pressed pretty much against you with a rocket launcher. How much damage would you now take with gunboats in this scenario then?

I'm not sure that this fix is quite in line with the intention of the gunboats (to aid mobility right?) and feels like a bit of a get out of jail free card, but i guess it's worth testing.

All the other fixes seem like no brainers. Good shit.

https://youtu.be/FWpbKBQ8MlM

https://youtu.be/nGXBC0tMQiA

bro...

setting up a question so he can just beat u over the head with it later if u get it wrong...very cool and good faith behaviour

#1 Gunboats do not affect self damage against enemies
#2 You do realize soldier has some base self damage resistance independent of the gunboats right?

The trade off is mobility. Even with this buff gunboats would still have a substantial mobility advantage.

Why not?

So what do you think are the positives and negatives of the medic speed buff

positives

1. ???

negatives

1. Buffed the already borderline OP Scout class
   
2. Devalued pocket Soldier
   
3. Dumbed down Medic positioning
   
4. Dumbed down rollouts
   
5. Made Roamer's job even more difficult
   
6. low advantage pushes and even exchanges are no longer anywhere near as viable because Medics can just run away at scout speed
   
7. dry pushes are even more difficult because Medics can hold close safely making stuffing choke easier and sacs harder increasing stalemates
   
8. started the incredibly annoying and boring mid rotation meta on Process style maps
   
9. dumbed teamfights down to whoever has more scouts alive
   
10. heal management? LOL JUST HEAL SCOUTS

How about arrows giving just enough HP (like 40-50) to avoid fall damage and the rest over time? You can still do clutch saves like that bear clip a couple weeks ago.

Also, how about meds can run at scout speed only when ubered? Enemy med can't kite it that easily and it would incentivize ubering in with tiny uber ad; just run an ubered scout in, kill the med and run back to safety.

Scoomer meta is cringe

The thing on top of that is that he doesn't want to even talk or discuss things with us, he straight-up called twiikuu a liar when he said he doesn't wish any harm to b4nny (it's in the VOD). He just pretty much declared that if this thing is adopted it somehow will kill TF2, simply because Valve hasn't ordained it.

okay I will respond by how you order the pros and the cons.
What you see as cons, I see as pros

MyPros
1.Medic has more survive-ability
2.able to leave fights more easily
3.Faster rollouts

YourCons
1.Have no idea how this buffs the scout in anyway, If your thinking that a medic pocketing a scout and the scout being invincible seems very wrong, this is a team based game, the combo would so exposed to various amounts of fire and could barely survive. But if you were playing this with your team 6v6 why would the medic be healing 1 person out of the 5 other players???
2.Pocket is a vary important player in the 6's league, hes constantly healed in order to fight thing attacking him and the medic, He can spam choke points that the scout wouldn't be able to do.
3.I think the medic positioning has improved more than it being devalued, The medic can adapt more than if it didn't have the speed buff.
4.The rollouts are quicker and easier now, don't know how that's a con.
5.How? did he sudden lose something that the others have.
6.Well its called an exchange for a reason, you really don't want you're own teammates dying in the exchange, cause you're just using each others uber, and hoping you can kill someone in it.
7.If the chokes being stuffed just go somewhere else??? don't know what the problem there is.
8.survive-ability is key in most fights, you dont want to be dying for no reason, so just rotating around the map is the right choice. Just cause you don't like it doesn't mean you get to speak for the entirety of the competitive community.
9.Yes scout are an important class for killing people, but without the damage of the demo or solider, its a lot harder for the scouts to be about to kill, so its more down to which team has the most players in order to hold an area.
10.Not so sure where you're getting this data from but from most logs,scouts are being health less than the demo and soliders.

WHAT

"SirPineApple" I have no idea who you are but I don't think you belong in this discussion friendo

this mf just wants to see the world burn bruhhh

Give me something more than WHAT, I have no idea what that means

fucking hell stop copying everything in the replies

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWEicHlXkAEHrSe.jpg:large

Can someone at least give a counter argument to what i said

ya I got one for ya, u a stupid dummy

if ur not trolling:

2 of your "pros" are actually just cons that lower the skill ceiling of the game and are super forgiving to people in bad position. both would also apply if med had 200 hp, but that doesnt mean its a good change.

pocket has not been "constantly healed" for the last 4 years of this game, medic positioning hasnt "improved", they just dont get punished for being out of position due to scout running. roamer is harder bc now scouts are better and medic dodging is waaaaay easier. exchanges and small ads being discouraged just leads to game being less fun, teams being less proactive, and more stalemates. as for 10 you are simply braindead its just not true

https://i.imgur.com/HgW0CMK.png

i really like these changes but leave out the resistance thing, you shouldnt change to much at once without everyone getting used to playing like how it used to be in the meantime or you will piss off a lot of medic/scout mains...

and as for b4nny's opinion: who gives a fuck about his opinion, he just wants to win so he can keep up his lifestyle as a streamer and a change like this would get him out of his comfort zone. he would prolly say he is going to switch to another game, play it a few weeks and watch his view numbers drop and crawl back.

I have been saying it for so long, there is some proof to support this. Mostly that b4nny's design philosophy was about making the overpowered weapons more in line with others and having everything available, whether that was by buffing the weak or nerfing the strong was up for debate. He has always been vocal on this, and vocal on trying new things to see if they work.

Med scout speed buff is a thing because he wanted the quickfix brought in line with other mediguns to allow for it to be unbanned. Whether it was him telling valve that this is a solution, or them coming up with a way to equalize all weaponry is up in the air, but it was most definitely started by b4nny saying he wants all weapons equal power as the way forward.

b4nny is so delusional and coked up on his own ego he somehow thinks twiikuu had anything to do with the deaths of Ep III/BTS (When asked to name the people responsible for the lans demise he mentioned twiikuu's name), and he said "the same people responsible for that are making this promod" as if samiface and dashner are using ghidra to uncover TF2 functions. He also suggested erynn had guilt by association (through pug champ) with TSC for the lans. Or maybe he meant something else, who knows, I certainly can't since he never supported any of his arguments.

No u

I-I'm... I'M GONNA SCOOM... OH GOD FUCK... I'M SCOOMING!