Europe you'll be hearing from my lawyers. I'm going to sue the entire continent for hurting my feelings cuz that's what we do in 'murka

Wow. That is way above and beyond what I was expecting. I will definitely use it.

HRG_DOWN

HRG vs iM NOW

neat

ramps n spires

If they jump their heavy classes to high ground your fully buffed scouts cut the rest of their players right out from under them. While they camp up top building QF you consolidate your control over the rest of the point, and when they solo/2man uber into you you scatter and collapse onto them like you would any other solo uber.

The Medic isn't getting there any faster than the demo, who's not getting there much faster than the Scouts. If their entire team is halfway across the point before a single one of your players shows up I think you're doing something wrong.

I have never had a problem organizing a team to counter a quick fix mid. Maybe it's because the other team wasn't very good at it, and maybe it's because my players were better. Or maybe it's because my calls are a little more dynamic than JUMP THEN JUMP THEM JUMP THEM.

You're a roamer right? Did you run shotgun to mid? I'll bet $10 you didn't and just tried the by now long proven ineffective strategy of bombing the combo/demo for damage that your scouts can't follow up on because they're running the quick fix.

If you insist on pretending that you're fighting uber when you're fighting Quick Fix you're going to lose and you're going to deserve it.

No you're not. The only reason the QF is required on Gullywash mid is because high ground is a requirement for everyone instead of an advantage for some. You gain no advantage from jumping your med to crates on Granary (which you could do w/o the QF), there's no point to sitting on top of Snake. All you're doing is asking to get counter jumped or the enemy scouts are just going to walk through the empty point to your Demo. Your players have half as big of an overheal and that matters. You will have uber first AFTER the midfight, but any midfight that plays out normally will be finished by that time. It's not a requirement at mid anywhere other than Gully.

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That being said I'm glad it's banned. I was so excited when the change was made because it was so fresh and effective. But over time I began to like it less and less, and so did all the people I played with. We even came to a silent agreement not to use it frequently in our little inhouse pug group because nobody was enjoying it anymore. So I'm glad it's banned.

However,

I do not think it is fundamentally broken. With the removal of the extra bells and whistles (knockback resistence, medic overheal, constant max build) I think the gun will be perfect. Kritz, Sniper, and Market Gardener will become hard counters to the QF uber, while it becomes much more feasible to focus down a Quick Fixed Medic with normal weapons. I'm going to write an email to Valve explaining why I think it was banned and what could be changed to fix it. Hopefully they'll listen.

Can people please stop saying this. This is not true outside of Gullywash.

Whatever happened to quay and torque? Those looked pretty solid from what I've seen of them. Plus quay was pretty.

But without alternative maps what is there to discuss? Koth_ashville and warmfront and yukon are the only semi successful 6v6 maps that come to mind

With what

It's mostly a problem with Gullywash. The midfight mandates Quick Fix and then afterwards you have to deal with Gullywash chokes, which are some of the tightest in the game. There's no way to QF through an aggressive hold on those because of how easy it is to focus fire anyone who comes through (plus stickies).

I don't think we'll ever see that kind of stalemate happen on any other map. No other mid requires the Quick Fix the way Gullywash does except maybe Badlands. But Badlands has an open yard with a much more forgiving choke that can be pushed on damage dealt instead of straight ubers.

Nicely put but it still makes heavy extremely effective which nobody really likes.

I wonder how different it would have been if a high caliber sniper had been playing.

It was the quick fix before they added all of that why wouldn't it be the quick fix after they take it away too? If you haven't noticed Valve has taken a bit of an interest in competitive players opinions on weapon balance. And if you expected every change to be perfect the first time you're crazy. Everyone loved the quick fix until heavy became involved. It's worth the effort to get it fixed.

Sometimes I think the average players perception of competitive tf2 is incredibly unfair and then I'm reminded why it's not.