can't say i really have an opinion on it. The trailer didn't show anything at all except a really impractical lightsaber design. kinda worries me that they aren't going to put much effort into it and just milk the name

just play the game. Jumping is good pubs are good DM is good lobbies are good PUGs are good scrims are good matches are good. This is even more true for demo than it is for soldier or scout or medic

I've always thought Demo's OPness was balanced by the fact that his OPness makes him a priority pick.

Demo has more potential, but can't extend to all of it because 4 players on the other team will happily suicide to kill him. So like, Demo Potential = 100 but he only uses 80.

Scouts and soldiers have less potential, but they can extend themselves to all of it because they're less important (and trading with demo or med is worth it). So scout/soldier potential = 80 and they use all 80

So they balance out.

I dunno much about HL balance but I imagine that Demo is still a priority pick and if that's the case then I'd say it's about the same.

The only reason demo is OP in pubs is because most players aren't even sure what class they're playing, much less have knowledge about their jobs and roles and tactics to fight with or against demos.

we hit the big time boys mission accomplished

Second looks really exciting

That's not quite what I meant. Mechanics in MOBAs are entirely autonomous and bound to a button instead of dependent on the player's technical and mental abilities. Uber is probably the most MOBA-like quality tf2 has, but because it exists within a non MOBA-like environment it has an extra dimension of complexity.

Mechanical skills (such as aiming or rocket jumping) create room for error, and room for error results in the wide variety of playstyles that exist within the same class or loadout. As a player, you need to learn your strengths and weaknesses with the mechanics and construct a playstyle that best compliments it. Look at how radically different scouts like Clockwork and Enigma are. But in a MOBA-style game, everyone has the exact same strengths and weaknesses with a mechanic because the mechanic is executed automatically, independent of the player (minus pushing the button). This completely eliminates any differing playstyles, except how that character operates in a team.

In TF2, we have that team (MOBA) side of the game and we have that solo mechanical (Quake) side of the game. These two together produces that third hybrid aspect of creating your playstyle to exist within each of the two previous ones. All three of these together make TF2 an immensely more complex game than anything based on MOBAs could ever hope to be. That's what I call building up, adding a hundred heros to make up for the simplicity of the game is what I call building out.

Quote from a PC Gamer article:

Gotta say this killed some of my hype. Doesn't sound like it'll be much like TF2 at all, and after watching some of that shoutcast it sure looked it too.

I'm really worried that people are coming to see MOBA-style mechanics as something to be aspired to instead of the lowest common denominator of competitive gaming. Accessibility and volume seem to be a lot more important to everyone than learning curves and depth. MOBA-style designs build out not up, and I don't think it bodes well for future competitive games.

Also, for the record I think TF2 is the best or one of the best competitive shooters too. It's our teams who were winning the Shootmania (lol) and Titanfall tournaments, if I remember correctly.

o man thats excitin

This is closer to what I'd like.

I was thinking of a sort of shot clock (maybe 30 seconds) where every time it runs out, the team without the point spawns a player. And capturing the point would respawn everyone on the capping players team like it does currently. So if it's 4v1 or something, the 4 players would need to split up to hunt down the 1 before they lose their player advantage, and the 1 player would need to ambush the individuals hunting him (or her). And the point should cap fairly quickly, so if the 1 player manages to evade his hunters and clear any point defenses, it's an even higher risk/reward situation than ambushes. The only thing I don't know how to fix is C&D spies hiding forever to spawn teammates.

It'd be weird and it'd make me uncomfortable, but it wouldn't inspire an angry or violent reaction from me. It's interesting to watch what people do when they're made uncomfortable, or put in an unfamiliar situation. And their reactions show just how little experience most of them have with it. It's ok to explore something you don't like without changing your mind. Recognize it for the value experiences like that can have, even if they aren't fun.

Thanks for posting these I missed them. This is a pretty interesting way to play Arena. Seems like it'd be better in pubs too.

Shikis on this team

youll get AIDS but you might win

beautiful asian

Thanks for posting it.

Wouldn't targeting competitive players be way more trouble than it's worth? In TF2 at least you can usually expect at least some level of basic technological understanding. I could see it working more in CSGO or Dota I guess

dem some juicy rando frags