Nerfing it is a fine idea. But you have to play with a thing to know how. The divergence between comp and other TF2 is so appalling today because of the decisions made years ago to adopt the "ban it now, wait for fix later" mentality. Not only does that starve the weapon of the competitive context needed to see a meaningful fix, it sends the weapon to the grave yard as those that are eventually fixed in some way, almost never (is there even 1 example?) make it back into the whitelist.

Those who so optimistically look ahead to MM as the savior of comp TF2 must espescially come to terms with this. We've built an airtight meta-wall in 6v6 and we've hid behind it for many years. The truth is, the powers that be shaped the game to allow the cookie cutter lineup to thrive because of a communial holier-than-thou idea that it was the best/most competitive. There's good argument for that, and it worked because we were on our own and could make that decision. If it was annoying, seemed to threaten that meta, of empowered a non-standard class to the point where it seemed we might have to look at it more than we wanted; it got banned. Bonk, jarate (i argued against it myself), GRU (and we helped design that one), the banners, loch n load, all got the axe because they are...too good? Too annoying? Meta ruining?

There have been awful unlocks (phlog). There have been unlocks we've given a shot and had to abandon (quick-fix). But the majority get a ban first ask questions never treatment, and all I'm saying is that if the comp TF2 community expects MM to save the day, they need to expect being "annoyed" at some unlocks.

The day is coming when you're going to see a 4 scout with bonk, 2 quick-fix medic rollout to mid vs. 3 GRU heavies and 3 meds of varying ubers. If we can't cope with the damn loose cannon, we screwed, team.

"Doesn't deserve a spot in comp play," is a throw away phrase. We need to think long and carefully about what gets banned because of imbalance as opposed to what gets banned because of annoyance. For years "annoyance" has been winning as far as the ban list is concerned. It's what originally kept the boston bashed banned. It's why people always fall back on "ban heavy" cries. With MM on the way, the community should be looking less to ban current legal items unless they are causing a significant change to the 6v6 meta. Let's be real, the loose cannon is not. If a team's demo can use it to deny an uber, great job for him, that works into the meta. It doesn't cut it.

Been waiting for more Carpenter Brut, Dance With the Dead, and more retro synth wave in frag vids. Love the selection.

Onions. Pair well with everything.

all of this could have been avoided if only Valve buffed the Classic

As official bench warmer for the number 1 team in NA, I take full responsibility. It's my duty to make myself available and I failed them. I'm sorry team.

Can't fool me, part of the disguise.

I'm all in on undercover troll.

https://saloon.tf/match/610/

Most of the time Phantom is visible. Isn't OP at all.

Bad news for the Got Fraggon.

Sherlock, Firefly, The Walking Dead, Dr. Who (all 8 seasons), Agents of Shield, Daredevil, Lost, Breaking Bad, Attack on Titan,

yeah, nerd alert

I have seen 1 cheater in my entire history of playing. I have been called a hacker, literally eveytime time I have played. There might be a cheating problem and I've been lucky not to have encountered the brunt of it, but whenever I see someone claim another is cheating in Dirty Bomb I roll my eyes a little. Sniping in the game is fairly simple. It puts your tf/cs sniping skills to use while giving you crutches in the shape of: not needing to unzoom after a shot, an extremly powerful secondary, a throwable which gives you and your team temporary esp cheats. If you were good at another FPS, chances are you will be great at Dirty Bomb.

I still enjoy playing. The new rifleman merc class with a smoke grenade and infrared eye to see through the smoke seems like it will be very fun. I still recommend the game. It is free, aftet all.

The best way to convince Valve this feature is bogus is to play with it and highlight the adverse effects. There was some experimentation when the update hit but has since been mostly banned and unused. No matter how much anyone within Valve's earshot might agree, it wouldn't be beneficial to contact them without presenting hard evidence why it's bad. Do we have such evidence? Go get the evidence, team, and help save tf2.

Whilst dropped MedI-guns retain Uber, I doubt ESEA will reconsider the issue until next season: though I have not myself heard anything on the subject.

Personally, I like the pickup mechanic, but do not enjoy charge % staying in the downed weapon. I believe the meta-game should be deciding/planning to swap to a different medigun after pulling off a Kritz, or deciding to switch to the other teams kritz after defending with an uber. That is a meta I can get behind and one I think most players and thus ESEA would welcome. Keeping % puts too much importance on circumstance.