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#717 2016 election live results in World Events
M4TTComing from a place where democracy will never be a thing, these democrats rioting because they're butthurt about Trump winning looks like spoiled brats lmao

A sizeable chunk of the violent rioters are probably hard left anarchists exploiting the situation, some local police have said this, you'd be hard pushed to describe them as democrats.

The peaceful protestors, which form the vast majority, are doing exactly what you're supposed to do in a democracy which is continue to make your points even though the election went against you. The whole purpose of democratic freedom is not to go quietly, and after such a divisive election with such extraordinarily unpopular candidates protests were inevitable whoever won.

Meanwhile the see-saw battle for control of the Trump twitter account between his advisers and himself continues. Last night they were professional protesters (Trump already good for jobs right?) and this morning they're passionate and he understands.

posted about 8 years ago
#712 2016 election live results in World Events
EmilioEstevezNo I was saying they picked the most fringe and obnoxious elements of his support and promoted them front and center as if they are at all representative of half of the population of the country.

So what you're saying is that it's the news fabricating Trump's far right appeal that has produced an emboldened far right in the wake of his victory, not any real far right appeal he might objectively have, or possibly even deliberately have cultivated. Correct?

EmilioEstevezNow you have millions of salty democrats who are rioting because they legitimately believe Trump wants them all rounded up and gassed and that anybody who voted for Trump must be some goose stepping monster.

Millions of people are rioting and believe that? This seems like it might be a rather unrealistic distortion on your part don't you think? If there were millions of rioters there wouldn't be much of most US cities left to worry about.

posted about 8 years ago
#709 2016 election live results in World Events
nyxaaGentlemanJonjokehttps://youtu.be/xp1WoNMfjTM

I don't get it

posted about 8 years ago
#707 2016 election live results in World Events
SchweppesI mean I'm enjoying it too much, they shouldn't riot at all
might be a grammatical mistake

It's an ambiguity I am exploiting for a joke

posted about 8 years ago
#705 2016 election live results in World Events
SchweppesI'm enjoying the irony of people who said Trump and his supporters are anti democracy and wouldn't accept the result rioting in the streets too much

Is there a just-right amount of rioting they should be doing?

posted about 8 years ago
#702 2016 election live results in World Events
KonceptFirst off, explain how we're not a global power. I'd agree that we're not number one anymore, but we're certainly still a global power. Russia and China certainly have us beat, but afaik we're the country that follows suit behind them.

I have read some stupid shit in this thread, much of which probably deserves ire more than this post so sorry Koncept, but this one just flies in the face of any objective evidence. The US is by far the most powerful country in the world by almost any meaningful measure, militarily, culturally, financially. In comparison to preceding decades you have literally no major competitors.

Moscow has peacefully ceded control over 100s of millions of people in eastern Europe in the last 20+ years, it's a shadow of it's former self. Their recently rediscovered taste for military adventurism is nothing to do with receding US power.

China is America's workshop.

Wall Street dominates global finance, the US military is globally unquestionably supreme, US cultural exports are ubiquitous around the world. I find worries about the American position in the world to be bizarre. America calls the tune globally in a much more decisive way than it did during the cold war.

posted about 8 years ago
#150 Rip Tagg in Off Topic
DatDrummerGuyHe's not indentified only by being black, it's just an element of the comparison used between him and STAR_, which to me is originally pretty meliorative. It's like calling someone "the white Ray Charles", you know. Calling someone black, white, whatever isn't racist, you're not implying anything. It's just a part of them who describes them as a person, and differentiates them from the people they're being compared to. Like if I were the best at TF2, people would call me "the french b4nny".

Fuck, this made sense in my head but I can't explain it.

Well in this case you have a black person telling you that it is a problem for them. I'm not sure how much more information you need, maybe I'm missing something myself and I'm asking the wrong questions. I think there's more at work here than you think though.

posted about 8 years ago
#137 Rip Tagg in Off Topic
DatDrummerGuyI understand the concern with the n-word, but how is "black ster" considered a slur?

I mean, I see it as a compliment, and calling a black guy "black" isn't racist, or pejorative. I think people associate things to racism too quickly.

Anyway, this escalated quickly.

Would you say that it credits Tagg with any individual quality beyond being black? Does it sound like he's just copying someone else (who is white) and brings nothing else to it other than being black? Can you think of any good reason why you wouldn't find out about Tagg's specific individual qualities instead of just overwriting them with those of a white person?

I wouldn't say it was the most hate filled sentiment I've ever heard, but obviously the speaker saw primarily the colour of the skin first and the person second. Sounds like a fairly straightforward definition of racism no?

e: I should add that when they say Black they are presumably also implying a load of black tropes and stereotypes. I don't know how well you know Tagg or watch his stream, but neither ster nor black stereotypes are things that spring immediately to my mind as appropriate to describe him.

posted about 8 years ago
#85 Rip Tagg in Off Topic
dailyI'm not blaming a victim by any stretch of your crazy imagination.

So when you say that he's not "off the hook" for not reporting them, or muting them, or whatever immediately that doesn't suggest to you that he has done something wrong that he has responsibility for? Because that's what it sounds like to me.

posted about 8 years ago
#79 Rip Tagg in Off Topic
dailyI'm not sure what the downfrags are for, to be honest. I agree, there needs to be a change. I just don't agree that bottling up those problems and preventing yourself from having fun with a game you love is better than facing it head on.

I'll spell it out for you again as presumably while editing it out you missed the point and maybe you will understand. He is calling them out here and now, it may be delayed but it's done. He also stopped playing the game with them, that was done. He has done what you suggested, but still he is wrong. Your argument is internally inconsistent unless you are suggesting that he has to do these things in a specific time frame decided by you.

If that's the case then I suggest you need to show a bit more understanding of how complicated and difficult these things can be to deal with and respect that not everyone might want to deal with them in the same way, and that blaming the victim for not speaking up more quickly is exacerbating the problem, not offering a solution.

posted about 8 years ago
#73 Rip Tagg in Off Topic
dailyBut this isn't real life we're talking about. We're either (in Tagg's case) talking about being online, or being in a controlled tournament environment with staff who I am sure would be more than willing to punish people for being that disrespectful. You're making a strawman argument essentially. I agree that in real life things like that can be difficult, but we're talking about very controlled environments here. Online? Tell them that isn't cool, mute them, stop associating with them, report them, whatever. You have so many options. To make the argument that your scared to simply because people might retaliate in situations where there are obviously options and punishments for doing so is just wrong.

Not all of Tagg's examples are in those simplified situations but do you really think Twitch police this is any meaningful way? You think Esea cared? Who is the authority you go to when it's a scrim exactly? How do you stop associating with people when there's literally a tiny handful of players at the top of the game unless you stop playing? Oh look, he did. So Tagg had enough, did what you said, and has now reported them probably in the only meaningful place he can. I expect you to warmly congratulate him on his decisive action you thoroughly agree with in your next post.

posted about 8 years ago
#66 Rip Tagg in Off Topic
aroseYeah I guess you're right, I just meant that if someone does something racist or that you consider offensive, call them out on it, don't just let it slide or bottle it up.

It can be really, really hard to do this and it shouldn't be a prerequisite to being treated with basic respect. People whose personality predisposes them to internalise rather than confront prejudice are more damaged by it. It simply shouldn't happen.

posted about 8 years ago
#60 Rip Tagg in Off Topic
aroseI know this is a sensitive issue and all, but if you have a problem with someone saying a word that offends you or whatever, please tell them you have a problem instead of just bottling it up so that nothing changes and we get what we have now.

Do you really need every single person from a particular minority to individually tell you that they don't like racist terms aimed at their minority for you to not use it? Are you incapable of showing the basic level of sensitivity of considering it might be a problem before saying it, and just avoid using a term? This is just blaming the victim.

posted about 8 years ago
#496 Fantasy TF2: Let’s do this! in Projects

Playoffs start tomorrow so I've added 10k to team budgets to allow for some of the cheaper players dropping out of the pool

posted about 8 years ago
#507 2016 election live results in World Events
EmilioEstevezWow Hillary looked tired during her concession speech. I imagine she'll probably be wanting to retire somewhere abroad and just get away from it all soon.

She's not going to be prosecuted on Trump's orders
Trump's not going to entirely repeal Obamacare
The US won't be unilaterally undertaking huge air wars on his say so
And many other things that were tossed out casually and in absolute terms during his campaign will either be moderated or dropped entirely.

The President is not a dictator, Democrat minorities in various bodies are not without power and influence. He's already striking a conciliatory tone not because he's a great and benevolent man, but because politically he has to.

Welcome to the outsider storming the barricades and draining the swamp. Look familiar?

posted about 8 years ago
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