how could anyone take a look at the whitelist and think that the only reason gru is banned is because its an upgrade lol

unless a weapon is exceptionally strong people wont use it over the crossbow. crossbow could deal zero damage and people would still use it just because the ideal situation is having someone cover him at any time. needles either need their own new utility or xbow needs a downside besides "not needles" before more there become more options i think.

being better than the typical player doesnt mean literally invincible. its silly to imply that snipers pose barely any threat to a good player while saying spies do. pubs are low skill but they dont mean people are completely dysfunctional. if anything thats a better case for the smg lol.

in 6s jarate has plenty utility. like if you know theyre pushing or about to be then you can just lob it for the mere chance of it hitting someone. even pure spam with the thing will be more meaningful than discouraging backstabs against a spy in 6s.

and i know its op in highlander. i just honestly dont think HL is a good reference for general TF2 balance because a huge part of the meta is just a result of having to deal with being a class that you wouldnt be if you weren't forced to.

i would easily say that dds and jarate can do more in pubs as well, and the latter in 6s now that its legal. even if you say RB beats jarate/cozy its certainly not by an exception margin. the only options that really stand out as weak are the two SMGs.

like im not arguing that its well designed or anything cuz its a passive that encourages tunnel visioning. but its more stupid than gamebreaking in any way. id much rather see spy get buffed in general, and if he were id imagine a nerf would be much less necessary.

TBH a ranking system rework would probably solve the system in itself better (and should be done anyway).

right now, with everyone starting at the lowest rank, half decent players are lumped with brand new ones, players who abandon frequently, and players who are just straight up trash. theres a huuuge skill gap that covers the first few ranks. if there were placement matches, or hell, if players started at like rank 5 or 6 and had room to drop, then low ranking MM likely wouldnt have the massive elo hell problem it does right now.

i mean i dont have too much of a problem with casual rank being necessary but there are plenty of good players who might come back to the game to play MM just to find out they have to muscle through several hours of official valve pubs just to try it out.

razorback is only really op in highlander because the ruleset makes sniper crazy strong and spys already weak as balls. a spy buff in general is probably more warranted since he was intended originally as a check to heavy/engie/sniper but hes so garbage that hes only an option once in a blue moon.

but HL is a bad reference for balance for both pubs and comp because the lack of class switching means that a ton of items, particularly for heavy, engie, and scout, are totally fine because they make up for being forced to run the class in places where theyre suboptimal.

also on crossbow, it adds a ton of depth and skill to medic. and the passive reload and uber building is great. if it were to get any nerf itd have to be a survivability thing (like it already is because you lose needles but i mean moreso), like not getting the bonus passive heals when your target is damaged, or lower passive heals in general or something.

CaCs probably the best example of a weapon being banned for being OP without slowing the game down lol

The world will never know why they buffed that thing in the first place

tbh the thread is pretty mixed

sad though because pyros trivially easy mechanics like this are probably the biggest thing thats kept valve from buffing him in any meaningful way

you could hide a greek army inside those demo viewmodels

you guys are missing the other plus side. you get to show /r/tf2 And Friends why a bunch of items and shit are abysmal to play against.

like at worst its going to damage the circlejerk against the 6s ruleset and whitelist. and the less people doing that shit the better.

its just one day of dicking around

yeah but sigs not crazy about 6s in the first place so if he wasnt doing this then the money probably wouldnt be going elsewhere anyway.

yeah unless they gave it custom gravity it would have to have higher range. it literally comes with moving faster.

He has right click swap to medigun as well so the bind would go off then too.

i remember b4nny mentioning that they said it to him when talking about his valve visit right as mym came out but i dont think there was an official statement.

strange sun on a stick