make the move speed build up since your last sticky jump, maybe even a slight penalty after fall damage? Let's you surf better and play passively which is gay but doesn't dick you over for mid fights or w/e if you're not using them. Removing the move speed 100% is kinda unlikely since valve wants demoknight to be at least somewhat usable, and if it weren't for movespeed affecting sticky jumps the weapons would be fine for rollouts. The problem on mid is how much longer the extra 25-40 HP let's you stay alive

1. would make sure you can't ever use them because the average sticky jump will do like 100 damage. If anything you'd wanna increase this to encourage more jumpy demos and prevent people from just passively gaying with the health bonus

2. Stuns are kinda gay but self inflicted ones aren't terrible. There's not any rollouts where you have to take fall damage so like it does make running them have risk for midfights and shit

3. please no slowing heal speed just makes medics and pockets suffer and buffs the flank more :(

if u wanna make him less tanky and more flanky limit his overheal to 260 and give him a self damage resistance. It kinda goes against the demoknight core of the weapon but it provides an alt to pipes that's a lot less stupid and encourages playing demoman in a different and more aggressive way. if u wanna make him more passive and spammy (why?) you could take off the 25 health and give him 300 overheal. Tanking your demo on mid is a slightly better option but demos will arrive to mid at roughly the same health +/- 10.

Plenty of silly things u could do with the booties that help both types of Demo

+Charge speed for stickies and shields
+longer overheal decay (zatoichi gives overheal now too i think)
+extra healing
-knockback

all of these provide clear advantages for combowhore demos but are also useful for demoknights

They do pretty substantial balance changes to dozens of weapons every operation/update. They just never do little things on small updates anymore.

I don't think they're overpowered sorry :)
They're better than stock for mid fights because of the speed boost and buff advantage but there's a trade off everywhere else. I think they're a terribly designed weapon tho and people comparing them to the gunboats don't understand why the gunboats actually work.

no

rip

fuck proofreading nerd essays after I typed them I guess

Show me where I did :)))

back out of an argument and then say i said something i didn't

ur trump congrats :)

booties aren't OP, just shittily designed :)))

Being super good at syncs or edge bugs doesn't help you in game. If an item was introduced that let you do them, then being able to do them in a 6s game would mean you're better than the other player at jumping in game.

"You said that gunboats affected the skill of rocket jumping"

no retard

i said they make being better at rocket jumping actually matter, which means that they raise the skill ceiling for IN-GAME rocket jumping

Look at the graph pls

If you can't do a jump in game, it doesn't matter if you can do it or not, therefore the skill of being able to do it is useless

If you can do it in game and it confers advantage, then the skill is not useless and the people who are lower skilled are punished because you're faster than them.

Since the process rollout is ONLY practical with gunboats, it means that the gunboats have introduced a new rocket jumping route into the game, and since that route's effectiveness and speed are determined largely by the user's skill at rocket jumping, the skill ceiling has been raised

since the Booties do not allow you to jump more, this does not apply to them

not talking about the shotgun because it doesnt fit into what im talking about process mid rollouts depend on gunboats and w/o them shitty jumpers would be just as effective as normal jumpers no one is arguing that the booties dont make demo stronger theyre arguing that the gunboats and booties are analogous but theyre not because the gunboats are both a good weapon and good for the game as a whole which most people disagree with in regards to the booties

dumb

emphasizing an already existing skill doesn't mean you aren't also expanding on it. I promise u i understand that the gunboats work mechanically by reducing self damage, but the end effect of what they let players in game do means that better players get more out of them. The end result is that by emphasizing rocket jumping, you make it more central to the soldier's play style and reward people who are better at it by letting them be faster and more efficient with their movement. Shitty roamers can barely get to mid, but good ones can make it their much faster. Or get last to last really fast or w/e. Obv most in game situations aren't that silly but its p clear that the gunboats being in game mean that roamers are expected to be better at goin fast

minimum sticky self damage is 45. You can't do any more jumps with the booties than without. They don't emphasize sticky jumping, they emphasize having more health.

the most complex jump you can do w/o the gunboats is really different than the most complex jump u can do with them u literal child

idk how such a fucking retard could not get this concept but the idea is they're interesting because they let u use skills (advanced RJ) that u originally couldnt use (not that u couldnt use any skills to begin with)

this is different from boring unlocks that let u play the exact same but better, like the razorback or GRU or w/e

here's u a graph

http://puu.sh/o9ZSm/27e471e8aa.png

the red line is the most jump u can w/ stock soldier in a game adn blu is the most u jump w/ gunboats
w/o gunboats any level of skill that goes above the red line doesn't matter

u cant make a graph like this for booties therefore they're a less interesting weapon

For the individual player the Escape Plan is better than stock, and is OP in that regards. It makes the class stronger overall, but it does so in a way that introduces new skills: dodging minicrits and escaping with low HP whereas before you were p much dead below 40 HP as soldier. Adding more ways for players to get better at and improve the game makes the game separate levels of skill more and therefore more competitive which most people call good. As a weapon it is well designed because it makes the class more exciting, adds a new skill to master, and allows the player to interact with other players in interesting ways like rolling out. Its Overpowered but its still good for the player using because it makes the game more fun.

Holistically, the weapon doesn't disrupt the game flow and doesn't let individual soldiers control the game. It'd be hard to call it OP in the context of TF2 as a whole. The Escape Plan prevent soldiers from being relatively easy chipshot targets that can't maneuver or fight <50 HP. No one likes being killed, but fighting against a desperate EP soldier is more interesting than fighting against a desperate shovel soldier because he's more of a threat. It makes the game more exciting for both players because it removes a relatively free kill without completely removing the advantage the nonsoldier has. That makes it a good weapon for the game because everyone on the server has more fun because its in the game.

When you turn that individual lens to the booties you get what I said above: they don't make the game more interesting or exciting for the demoman because he's still just doing what he was doing originally. I think most people would agree that passive weapons are inherently less exciting than ones that are functionally different, and passives that don't provide interesting class expansion will always feel bland regardless of balance. The Razorback is relatively balanced but its not a weapon that is particularly fun to have equipped or fight against. The booties are similar. If everyone here agrees that they're not particularly fun or interesting to play with (as a player), then the discussion shifts to whether or not its worth having a boring but balanced unlock in the game because it makes the entire game more fun for everyone. I'd say fighting a demo with pipes is a lot more exciting than one that's a bit tankier and faster so its pretty clear on that count the booties don't work. I'm not sure if the booties are good for the game, but it seems they're not. They force both demos to use them, reducing the number of interesting 1v1s people can have with demos, and they don't really do much for the pacing of the game. If they allowed new pushes to be made or more exciting bombs to happen they might be worth keeping, but since they're really just a buff to the class with little substance, they should be banned

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