Being good for the game isn't the same as being a well designed weapon tho. Gunboats are well designed AND add to the game. Just because the Booties are a bad weapon doesn't mean they're bad for the game. Something can be OP (EP) or niche af (Conch) and still make the game more fun and interesting, but the idea should be to make weapons that both expand what the class can do with skill and allow the class to close holes in the game that are causing stalemates or unpleasant gameplay. Obviously not every weapon fits both criteria, the Basher isn't a hard weapon to use, and the winger doesn't change the game significantly, but hitting at least one of those is really important in making a weapon that works for 6s

Booties don't create a shift in the demoman class the way the gunboats do. They're not game-changing, and that's strike 1. Strike 2 is they're overpowered. 3 is they're less skill indexed and lower the skill ceiling of the class. Sorry that I didn't really complete that thought earlier but it was mostly a response to like a 3 month old post talking about them being shitty weapons, not shitty for the game.

"if only because esportsnerds are so ornery and superstitious"

do people only read half of posts?

Booties add a passive health benefit and a speed boost. The gunboats remove damage on blast jumps. On the surface their similar because their passive shoes that remove a weapon for a stat buff, but the implementation and effect are really different.

That isn't what makes the gunboats require different skills than the stock tho. Playing without a weapon is inherently simpler than playing with one because the number of strategic options you have is limited and you therefore have to think less about how to use yr weapons and where to position for them. Since no one even uses pipes as a primary anyway, the difference between stock and booties on how demos actually play is minimal. There is no increased mobility or any other skill based technique that is offered by the booties. You're simply better at what you were already doing.

Gunboats don't emphasize a skill that the soldier already had. They make short jumps better or w/e but the actual interesting and skill indexed part of them is how the reward skilled jumping by allowing you to string together 4-6 rockets and still be relatively alive. Long chains of jumps with speedshots and shit are technically possible with stock, but so impractical as to be useless, whereas with the boats they're an actual option and they allow roamers to stratify their skill levels not on just DM and gamesense but jumping ability as well. You lose the ability to improve at hitscan aim, but gain the ability to outplay people in an area that was previously not part of the soldier's skillset. The booties otoh only stratify demos on their Gamesense like normal demos, but put even less emphasis on DM. The booties are regressive to the skill ceiling of the demoman, while the gunboats are progressive.

Playing with booties might take skill but it doesn't add any to the class. Punishing mistakes that were already punished doesnt mean that the weapon rewards skills that were previously unused. The gunboats do and thats why they're a good passive unlock

The gunboats are different in that they increase the skill ceiling and let you do jump map jumps in game, while the 25HP of the booties doesn't confer nearly the same movement buff. Gunboats trade active hitscan skill for a passive buff that is only really useful if you're good at an arguably harder and more active skill. The Booties trade active projectile skill for a passive health buff and a move/jumpspeed bonus that can't really be actively used. If the booties opened up new ways for demos to be better than one another, they'd be much more positively embraced imo

no one here would call themselves 99% of mouse users tho :(

Wireless mice have always been fine for dads and office workers and normies and even casual gamers, but considering everyone here makes active decisions in their setup that result in saving maybe a tick or two, I'd be surprised if anyone would voluntarily use something like this even if the sensor delay was only 50% slower than a wire, if only because esportsnerds are so ornery and superstitious

ok

wonderful cool calm collected epic etc

i feel sorry for people with looking threads like this because their friends guarantee no one will pick them up

worst part is a game ban from tf2 overwatch wont mean anything based on this

did u make this 3 years ago and forget to submit?

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